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| tennis tom |
Posted - 01/23/2013 : 09:47:32
I think it was personally chicken **** of you to call on Dave to delete Nicole's thread to you when you were on the hot seat. You had no qualms about attacking her--but when your ox was being gored the shoe was on the other foot. You could have deleted your posts if you want to but to erase mine and others is revising history. Now you can go running to Dave again and have this one deleted too. Nicole's value to this forum would have been proven (and hopefully may still be) if she'd been given a chance to help. She was attacked from the start and was never given that chance. She did nothing different here any different then all the other TMS "experts" do, linking to their websites, books and materials. And, I find it shameful that her "expert" TMS colleagues here did not speak out on her shabby treatment here. It was just a matter of Bryan's not liking her style--she spoke from the heart and didn't window dress it with Hollywood slickness. |
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| bryan3000 |
Posted - 01/25/2013 : 15:05:00
Sounds like a plan Tom. We'll be out on the court tomorrow in fact.
Plus, if it will keep Balto around I'll shut up :) |
| balto |
Posted - 01/25/2013 : 14:51:50
quote:
Originally posted by tennis tom
Hey, I'm on vacation, semi-retired, have all the time in the world to keep this BS up and it's raining in sunny Southern California today. You have a family, and I think your time and energy would probably be better spent hitting a tennis ball with your daughter or going to the zoo, rather then keeping up this now monotonous argument. I'm willing to end it here if you are.
Regards,
tt
HOORAY! YES, There is a god after all. I fear my backpain is going to come back if you 2 don't stop soon. I was about to say goodbye to the forum.
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 01/25/2013 : 14:37:26
Bryan show us the proof or STFU, you are projecting and keep making charges without any evidence--come up with some--if you haven't had it conveniently deleted. This is taking on Kafaesque proportions, you're putting me on trial without any charges or evidence. At some point you'll cry wolf to Dave one too many times and he will ask you to show evidence in writing for your very strong charges against me, and you won't be able to show any. I've been here long enough, know my contributions to spreading the TMS "knowledge penicillin" and am not worried about you.
Look, I put it to bed like you asked me to last night and was hoping you would too. We've said the same thing over and over, every which way, there's nothing new to say. Folks are getting tired and bored of this and so am I. It's like four old farts on the tennis court trying to one up each other.
Hey, I'm on vacation, semi-retired, have all the time in the world to keep this BS up and it's raining in sunny Southern California today. You have a family, and I think your time and energy would probably be better spent hitting a tennis ball with your daughter or going to the zoo, rather then keeping up this now monotonous argument. I'm willing to end it here if you are.
Regards,
tt |
| bryan3000 |
Posted - 01/25/2013 : 11:07:27
quote:
Originally posted by tennis tom
Hi Bry,
Now you've changed "racial" to "ethnic"--there is hope for change. Thanks for the slight modification--but you're still totally out of context. I can help you with that.
Yeah Tom, the problem seems to be that you keep trying to find personal things to attack people about. Whether it's their background, where they live, their profession, you look for things with which to attack people personally. Perhaps if you didn't do that, you wouldn't find yourself having to explain your way out of slurs.
It's always telling when a person can't stick to the facts of a discussion. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 01/25/2013 : 11:03:44
Hi Bry,
Now you've changed "racial" to "ethnic"--there is hope for change. Thanks for the slight modification--but you're still totally out of context. I can help you with that. |
| bryan3000 |
Posted - 01/25/2013 : 10:54:21
Hey Tom, if these self professed "experts" have the guts to boast claims that "THEY CAN HELP YOU"... and statements like.... "this board wasn't ready to heal".......
they can certainly take a little constructive criticism or disagreement.
Nicole ran off because too many people found too many holes in her story.
She's welcome to post here, just as many other "experts" do. (I find that term very funny, because we can't even prove that TMS actually exists.) We have plenty of experts posting here, whether they're selling products or not.
Again Tom, people are going to disagree with you in life. You'll get over it.
I'm thrilled you have the chance to voice your opinion here, though I wish you could do it without personal attacks on people's ethnic background, family, etc.
Takes all kinds, Tom. The world keeps turning even when people disagree with you. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 01/25/2013 : 10:41:30
Nice turn-around Bryan, I took your good advice and went to bed hoping that would be the end of it. I am ALWAYS respectful and appreciative of Dave for maintaining this board--it's in the record if you haven't asked Dave to delete them. In fact I started a holiday post as I usually do thanking Dave.
Nothing was deleted until YOU requested it. I doubt Dave did it without YOUR request, so don't slough that off on him.
Name the "RACIAL" slur you keep referring to please, I defy you to. Pulling the "race" card gets into some serious territory, and is frequently resorted to by those like yourself who are desperately out of credible ideas.
You have corrected your numbers though from "many" to the more accurate "several" and I applaud you for that.
Banning me from the board, would be doing me a BIG favor. After thousands of posts, helping many by giving accurate TMS advice and referrals to TMS practitioners, I am getting a bit weary of dealing with the occasional attacks by the likes of you--But, on the other hand, it's a part of life, dealing with the occasional unpleasantness like this board hiccup and I will get some rage/soothe recouperation in the hot tub or a massage and carry-on.
Dealing with this sort of unpleasantness head-on, and seeking resolution, is a good way to prevent the TMS rage reservoir from overflowing. If I were banned, I could devote several more hours a day to perfecting my big serve for our big match someday. Remember that attack you made on my game--you don't think that someone named tennis tom is not going to be deeply hurt by an attack like that, an attack on my very being--TENNIS IS LIFE--and I have a t-shirt saying that to prove it.
You equate the announcement of a book by a TMS expert practitioner and an open offer to help others to get through with a "sales campaign". What do you do for a living--write the boilerplate rules that no one ever reads at message boards? I can see why you would feel threatened then--but you could always become a speech writer for politicians, I sincerely think you have a talent for that.
I'm not looking to run anyone off the board--I'm inclusive. You are the one who has gone to the "authorities" to reject bonafide TMS expert authors from posting here. In the process, making them feel un-welcome, rejected while questioning their "credentials"--not me.
I would LOVE to "run" myself off the board, and with the good help and HOPE from SteveO, Nicole, Dr. Brady, Dr. Sopher, Fred Amir, AND of course the Good Doctor Sarno as well the other kindly TMS authors, (with my apologies to those I skipped), I hope to run again, sooner then later. I would devote all those newly gained hours to running Ferrer fast, on the tennis courts, driving fast on the race track and hanging out with fast women.
Regards & out of bed again,
tt/lsmft
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Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
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| bryan3000 |
Posted - 01/25/2013 : 09:52:18
Tom,
People will continue to speak their mind when they see something that's not right TO THEM.
Other people besides you are allowed to have opinions. You have been a bullly here and I will pull up posts to prove it if you want to get into that game. You launched personal attacks and have been so uncivil that the board owner chose to delete a thread.
(And then you just created another to further your agenda of board bullying. )
You may have noticed at this point that several of us don't recognize you as the dictator of the board. So, we will continue to raise questions when they arise as they so clearly did in the case of Nicole. Many have spoken up on her book sales appearance and her tactics.
Perhaps a better idea than changing the forum rules to fit your needs would be to respect the wishes of the person who runs this board for free, and to respect the opinions of others here and their right to voice them.
Again, we need to keep the factual information in this discussion. Someone broke very common and simple "no sales campaigns" terms of service. Then, you defamed and slandered people for simply voicing their concern. I think Dave has been charitable not to ban you for personal, racial and a collection of other uncivil attacks.
And I'll say it again. We can stop discussing this as soon as you quit bringing it up. But the bully tactics aren't going to run me off of the board like you did with Alexis and others. |
| andy64tms |
Posted - 01/25/2013 : 09:49:48
Hi Racer,
I admire your comments, I started to addd to these posts, and then butted out in a hurry. Peace will come as it does in all conflicts. I speak first hand to this, I've been arguing with my past family for 65 years, I am at peace now and realize the "forgiveness", that so evades me is very important. I just need to find out how.
Glad you are with us, take care
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Stopped Wiki Edu Program in lieu of own journalling
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years, is almost gone.
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| eric watson |
Posted - 01/25/2013 : 09:34:35
thats the perfect idea tom
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 01/25/2013 : 09:17:32
THANK YOU RACER ! You are the smart one. Stuff like this is routine and normal at other message boards. I feel it was necessary to enter into this fray because an injustice was done to two sensitive and sincere TMS expert practitioners, Nicole Sacks and Steve Ozanich. Instead of being welcomed with open arms and allowed to "TMS help" here, they were blindsided with "technicalities" and their "credentials" questioned and scrutinized. Their books were judged by their covers and not by their contents.
I think this affair is coming close to an end and certainly hope so. I think and feel the "credibility" of the board will be the better for it, stronger and more diverse. Maybe the boilerplate rules of the board need to be changed to make it easier for genuine TMS authors and practitioners to introduce themselves here and stuff like this won't need to occur again.
tt
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| Racer |
Posted - 01/25/2013 : 08:30:53
I've been avoiding, not to get into the few topics started by Nicole, including this topic by TTom, was wondering when these discussions will come to an end, looks like it is becoming eternal. I feel these topics doesn't take us anywhere.
Hi TTom, You are a great contributor in this forum, and I'm sure most of the neutral members like me are missing your posts in other topics. Please come back.
Hi Bryan, On my personal experience, I ignore things which I don't like. Forget whatever happened, come back to other topics and focus on your recovery.
Hi Nicole, Welcome to this forum. Looking for your valuable advice for the TMS sufferers in this forum.
Thanks!
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 01/25/2013 : 07:34:58
quote:
Originally posted by bryan3000
Tom,
Go to bed.
You first. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 01/25/2013 : 04:10:32
Dear Shawn reread your post on the previous page. That is an example of an extreme strain. You cannot want something to that degree, it is more than what is humanity possible and what you want isn't going to cure you any faster. |
| alix |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 22:41:03
Thanks chickenbone. I will be interested to hear your assessment of Steve's and Dr.Alexander's books as well which I think are both great.
To be honest I am very perplexed by Dr.Hanscom's book. The cases for which he advises and performs surgery seem to me that they would fall within the TMS category.
But I am probably oversensitive as I unsuccessfully went from books to worksheets to videos for close to 2 years getting distracted by discrepancies. The second time around, I was successful by simply doing "the work" without distraction in 2 and 1/2 months. |
| bryan3000 |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 22:05:09
Tom,
Go to bed. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 21:30:37
quote:
Originally posted by bryan3000
I have made a distinction though, as Tennis Tom attempted to make this about me, instead of the many people who questioned the valid/credentials of a self-professed expert.
Can't we all just have an opinion, express it and be okay with that?
I'm a big fan of many of the "experts" around here. (Ace, Dr. Z, Dr. A, etc.) Why don't they count? Is it only the people you deem important that matter?
Bryan, you made this about you by proactively blocking Nicole and SteveO from announcing their TMS books. Other TMS practitioners have had links to their sites, books, and contacts for helping TMS sufferers--and I see nothing at all wrong with that--since this site is named THE TMS HELP Forum. How can a TMS practitioner "help" if they aren't allowed to be contacted and announce their books--about TMS? They both were blindsided by your vigorous demand on Dave that he enforce that boilerplate and both authors obliged.
Questioning both authors credentials which you are still doing quoting you above: "valid/ credentials of a self-professed expert"--how is one to feel with that job description? Bryan, what are your credentials for deciding who is a TMS valid expert? If Dr. Sarno posted here and happened to mention he had written a new book, would you tell him he couldn't do that, that he was a "salesman" and the forum rules don't allow him to "peddle" his "wares" here.
"Many people", maybe three, four, six? The evidence criticizing the origins of the reviews was all circumstantial. While circumstantial evidence is admissible in a court of law--this is NOT a court of law--it's a FRIGGEN' message board. You are hung up on the "credibility" of the Forum, why? Forums are forums, they are the some total of the people who step up to the soap box and speak--it's Trafalgar Square, not the House of Parliament. There is no way to vett posters at message boards, that's a given, like politics, you believe the lies you want to believe. The discussion is ever changing and so are the discussers--that's part of the beauty of message boards, they are ephemeral and ever morphing, otherwise they would be dull and boring and people would just watch TV--or read a self-help book.
You also made a reference to "race", could you explain what that is about please?
Bryan, trust me, this isn't about me or my ego or being angry, although I am, and I don't see anything wrong with being angry when it is the right emotion to be. This is about the TRUTH, but it's hard to refer to some of the facts, now that you have had them deleted.
Disclaimer:
I make no claims for the accuracy of the above as I am writing it while I am very hungry and therefore in an altered state of consciousness, possibly OCD, bi-polar, pre-Parkinsons, post-meonpausal or all of the above--what time does Howard Stern come on? I'm not previewing this post and God help anyone who reads it. I'm gonna' eat some Safeway fried chicken, (much better then the Colonel's extra-crispy), and some left over Panda Express--another exciting Saturday night.
Cheers,
tt/lsmft |
| alix |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 21:21:21
I am the one that pointed to the Amazon reviews first (and I stand by what I wrote) so I should be "blamed" for that. It is not Bryan. |
| bryan3000 |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 21:04:25
quote:
Originally posted by maccafan
Bryan,
I mean give Nicole a chance, give her book a chance and for Pete's Sake --- Give Peace A Chance!!!!!!!!!!
I'm tired, I'm going to bed. So for now I'll quote Joy Behar, "So What, Who Cares".
Night, Bryan.
The book isn't my thing, but I'm glad it's yours. Enjoy! |
| pspa123 |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 20:59:07
Bryan didn't call anyone names ("Bryann"), call anyone a "good German," mention anyone's marriage, or start a thread to call anyone angry. And he was not even close to the only one who had issues with the way Nicole introduced herself. I think he's taking way too much flak here. |
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