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| Peregrinus |
Posted - 12/10/2012 : 13:34:09
Since the principal pathway of TMS is the autonomic nervous system (see Steven Ozanich’s book) which is also the mechanism by which our blood pressure (BP) is controlled one might leap to the conclusion that hypertension is a TMS symptom. Despite this and the fact that about 25% of the population suffer from hypertension there is at best scant mention of it in this forum. This surprising state of affairs is compounded by the fact that a chapter of Sarno’s most recent book was written by an expert (Dr. Mann) on the subject; an expert who would seem to have at best a grudging belief of the mind body hypothesis and who is only willing to concede that a small percentage of cases are psychogenic.
My BP has been slowly increasing all my adult life and about 8 years ago I started taking Toprolol at the insistence of my cardiologist. About two years ago I performed a little experiment: for thirty days I took my BP (with an electronic sphygmomaniometer) twice in a five minute interval. Then I stopped taking the Toprolol for two weeks and I repeated the procedure. I always measured after my daily bike ride and after cooling down and getting relaxed. There was no significant difference in the two sets of measurements. My doctor’s reaction was that I should keep taking the drug as it has other benefits (that he was unable to articulate).
About six months ago, when I decided to do something about my back pain relapse, I measured my BP three times in one day and found it to be about 160/90. This was around the time I was reading the latest Sarno book. I guess I was somewhat alarmed and after reading what Dr. Mann had to say I concluded that Toprolol was not the right medication (I was still taking it at that time). I also read a book by E. Tolle which caused me to try to lower my BP using the common deep breathing relaxation technique. I would first measure my BP and record the reading and then I would perform the relaxation technique followed by another measurement. I found that the systolic measurement was significantly lower on the second try while the diastolic reading was less significantly lower. The first reading would be about 160/90 while the second reading would sometime be in the ball park of 115/70!
Does this prove anything? Should I worry? Should I continue with the meds? Do any of the TMS techniques specifically apply to hypertension?
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| kenny V |
Posted - 12/14/2012 : 08:51:42
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Originally posted by andy64tms
Hi Kenny, If you go to the link below and probably many others you will see poor Africa very much in the black denoting high mortality-death rates. Poverty, poor living conditions as you stated attribute to this. Do you not think lack of medication also plays a part? I did look into it and I would value your worthy response other than BS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Death_rate_world_map.PNG
By the way when replying to me you can say: “Hi, Andy”, as I am just another friendly, needy TMSer.
A heartfelt all the best
Andy
Hi Andy and anyone reading this topic ....
My point is if you look at and study the health in other cultures, you will notice many live longer and healthier lives even without a great health care system like we have. From what I have learned allot has to do with their life style diet as well as how close they live to their natural farming and agriculture.
It’s a shame even with socialistic and communist governments that they even warn and protect the population from artificial agriculture and potential dangers. In some countries the Docs only get paid by the amount of healthy people they have and take care of, rather than the sick, like we do.
So I guess money doesn’t’ have everything to do with who is behind the Iron curtain, but often times its that hidden agenda we are all familiar with .
now let us exspand on the common denominator
There are many smoking guns and common denominators.
I know this is not the place to discuss all this controversial stuff however I think its fair to let some of the readers be informed . Especially since the main stream medical community has fooled so many for so long. The false data game , scare tactics and cover ups have been going on way too long... AlIf you want to know the truth have a look at the real epidemics we face today and ask the Q WHY?
Dont ever settle for and excuse or someone to explain away a problem without getting to the bottom of it . We still must ask why? And what is Going on? To me thats the tell tailwhich may help explain the entire story or real deal.
We have a head engineer at our our company that troubleshoots, fixes and debugs our products electronics and software . He always says when finding ,looking , fixing or isolating the underlying reason. There are no coincidences , there is always a reason for something that goes wrong.
So How bout we look at USA childhood sickness/ disability rate compared to other countries
This is the data the drug industry does not want you to see. Here 2 centuries of UK, USA, and Australian official death statistics show conclusively and scientifically modern medicine (vaccines) is not responsible for and played little part in substantially improved life expectancy and survival from disease in western economies.
The main advances in combating disease over 200 years have been better food and clean drinking water. Improved sanitation, less overcrowding, and better living conditions also contributed. This is also borne out in published peer reviewed research:
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/
AROUND THE WORLD:
Autism Rates, and Under 5 Mortality
Generation Rescue, Inc. April 2009
SPECIAL REPORT
http://www.rescuepost.com/files/gr-autism_and_vaccines_world_special_report1.pdf
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UNDER 5 MORTALITY is a measure of country-specific child mortality rates before the age of 5. The United Nations tabulates the data for all countries. The rates are expressed per 1,000 children born. The
United States is 34th in the world for under 5 mortality, tied with Greece and behind such diverse countries as France, Germany, Japan, Singapore, Cuba, and Slovenia, to name a few. In Table 2, vaccine schedules (where obtainable) and under 5 mortality rates are compared for the 30 countries studied. Note that all 29
other countries have lower (better) under 5 mortality rates than the U.S.
AUTISM AND VACCINES AROUND THE WORLD:
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The United States has the highest number of mandated vaccines for children under 5 in the world (36,double the Western world average of 18), the highest autism rate in the world (1 in 150 children, 10 times or more the rate of some other Western countries), but only places 34th in the world for its children under
5 mortality rate. What’s going on?
here is a good look at what many Docs and well respected folks who exposed the misconceptions have to say about our current system
http://www.vaccinesuncensored.org/third.php
The Big Picture
Politics, Power and Public Relations
http://www.vaccinesuncensored.org/politics.php
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For most people it's hard to fathom that any product that posed a serious public risk would not be removed by our regulatory bodies. After all, most of those who work for CDC, the FDA, Health Canada etc. are decent professionals concerned about the public's welfare. This raises serious issues about the extent to which government, industry, academia etc. are controlled at the highest levels by powerful vested interests. To better grasp the extent to which non-patentable modalities are suppressed consider reading: 'The Politics of Healing: Manipulation of American Medicine' by former New York State Assemblyman Daniel Haley; 'The Medical Mafia' by Guylaine Lanctot MD and 'Rotten to the Core: Memoirs of a Health Canada Whistleblower' by Dr. Shiv Chopra. Also consider viewing the revealing documentaries: 'When Healing is a Crime' and 'Sweet Misery' which documents the disturbing revolving door between industry and regulators. Lastly, consider visiting www.whale.to (link to persecuted doctors.)
Always Hope For Recovery
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| kenny V |
Posted - 12/14/2012 : 08:20:30
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Originally posted by andy64tms
Hi Kenny,
Please don’t be so Sarno defensive, I’m not here to dictate my views, merely discuss. With the little knowledge I possess I do believe that heart related problems including high blood pressure are very complicated, and serious enough to include the “body” part as in mind body medicine.
“I believe it’s more complicated than this.”
You have taken this one sentence out of context, and I think the point you might be making is that we over complicate TMS to the point of not doing the real emotional work, I concur. Perhaps read the sentence again within its paragraph, you will see I am skeptical, questioning, but I do believe it’s a complicated issue.
I am in two minds as to whether it’s possible to reduce your BP enough with mind body techniques alone, I just don’t know. Is hypertension only caused by mind body issues? I believe it’s more complicated than this.
You never said “bad” I know, but why suggest getting rid of docs and meds if you don’t think they are bad? Again you are taking this out of context from the paragraph where I am giving my reasoning viewpoints.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception
Hi Andy OK im with ya on that
Sorry not to be more helpful and or specific with your condition . But ultimately using TMS thinking One must learn to apply yet separate the 2 schools of thought as they Isolate the issues. We can apply this as we , learn more about our body, trust more w/ our own diagnoses , not what some doc test or otherwise influence says about our condition.
In hindsight the Auto immune system is quite complex to understand its role in proper body function, let alone learn how to alter its control over us.
Again if you are stuck on the Anxiety HB pressure issues, hypertension, drug dependance issues . That may only hider your healing process. Frankly I do believe in white coat syndrome , its very easy to get caught up in its powerful influence in how we respond to any given treatment test diagnoses ext.........
So If we embrace what Sarno has taught us about Ruling out any other serious health issue than we are freed up to to the real work in the recovery process . Hope that made some sense..... But if you are stuck on the other than well my friend its hard to change or influence that school of thought on anything anyone says. JMHO That is for us to discover.
Now again I don't know where you are at towards recovery. But I will say this YES you can find a good doc who may help Guide you with your health related issues . Sure another tool but it must be used properly However again I strongly believe that it will come from within. And that will be AFTER we realize we are the complication of our issues.
With that said I will say most folks that are stuck, paralyzed or feel as if other people don't understand why they cant get out of rut ( weather it be Health , relationships or other life stress full events ). Many think you don't understand or my situation is more complicated. Or its something else than what we are discussing . So in retrospect wont receive the help advice and support that is recommended to make a change.
I feel for ya bro .. and wish you luck on your next step letting go of fears anxiety, drugs or anything else that may be hindering the healing process.
Best Regards
Kenny v
Always Hope For Recovery
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| andy64tms |
Posted - 12/13/2012 : 15:27:19
Hi Kenny,
Please don’t be so Sarno defensive, I’m not here to dictate my views, merely discuss. With the little knowledge I possess I do believe that heart related problems including high blood pressure are very complicated, and serious enough to include the “body” part as in mind body medicine.
“I believe it’s more complicated than this.”
You have taken this one sentence out of context, and I think the point you might be making is that we over complicate TMS to the point of not doing the real emotional work, I concur. Perhaps read the sentence again within its paragraph, you will see I am skeptical, questioning, but I do believe it’s a complicated issue.
I am in two minds as to whether it’s possible to reduce your BP enough with mind body techniques alone, I just don’t know. Is hypertension only caused by mind body issues? I believe it’s more complicated than this.
You never said “bad” I know, but why suggest getting rid of docs and meds if you don’t think they are bad? Again you are taking this out of context from the paragraph where I am giving my reasoning viewpoints.
If you go to the link below and probably many others you will see poor Africa very much in the black denoting high mortality-death rates. Poverty, poor living conditions as you stated attribute to this. Do you not think lack of medication also plays a part? I did look into it and I would value your worthy response other than BS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Death_rate_world_map.PNG
By the way when replying to me you can say: “Hi, Andy”, as I am just another friendly, needy TMSer.
A heartfelt all the best
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| kenny V |
Posted - 12/13/2012 : 13:08:18
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? I believe it’s more complicated than this.
Thats we all think when we got probs and dont deal with the real issues
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basis. People are living longer partly due to drugs, especially in the western hemisphere compared
Thats bunk totally untrue.
Esp if you study ALL cultures and the ones who take drugs, the ones who practice good health and hygiene.
All drugs = Bad never said that . JMHO ther are many things that can get you there even fix/ correct health problems that are not man made, synthetic or have harmful side effects .
Drugs are not the miracles . When they discovered Morphine and Valium how do you think the receptors in the brain Got there?
granted we have a few Drugs that are wonderful for first responders/ life saving/ Near End life suffering .
Many Many Many drugs only treat symptoms and don't cure fix anything .
THE USA and western hemisphere ( drug taking countries) living longer is BS Look into it .. not worthy of a response either
In fact the USA is ranked one of the poorest in health among its children compared to ALL the western hemisphere practicing medicine countries and I wonder why?
Always Hope For Recovery
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| Peregrinus |
Posted - 12/13/2012 : 12:18:49
PSPA and Kenny:
Good advice! Thanks. |
| andy64tms |
Posted - 12/13/2012 : 12:18:01
Hi Kenny,
I am in two minds as to whether it’s possible to reduce your BP enough with mind body techniques alone, I just don’t know. Is hypertension only caused by mind body issues? I believe it’s more complicated than this.
To ditch a drug that has harmful side effects or addictiveness is one thing, but not all drugs are bad, and we have to discern the centuries of research and studies and trust doctors on an individual basis. People are living longer partly due to drugs, especially in the western hemisphere compared to say Africa. Drugs seem to have got a bad name lately, look at the epidemic of deaths due to misuse, multi prescription problems, as well as millions on teenagers raiding their parent’s medicine cabinet.
I will be getting a second opinion on my drug Lisiniprol next April when I see a new doctor under Medicare. My decision to take it is as borderline as my readings are “Borderline Hypertension”. From what I have read and experienced this drug is mild, has little side effects, but touts long term benefits. This thread will also help my decision, thanks all.
Peregrinus,
I have a very similar personality to you. It was hard for me to stop using the word “nonsense”. I replaced it with the words “perhaps and maybe”. I realized when brain washing a design with colleagues, especially new young engineers that some of the best results come from the most ridiculous-stupid-and-unlikely-suggestions.
I wish you progress with you BP beliefs, perhaps with a new doctor.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| kenny V |
Posted - 12/13/2012 : 10:54:17
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Andy:
You always make so much sense!
My blood pressure (BP) has been erratic with some disturbingly high readings as of late. For example this afternoon it read 155/84 and five minutes later 113/80! Which number is significant? I’m currently under the care of a GP and a cardiologist and taking the drug they have prescribed despite evidence that it has no effect and information (Dr. Mann in Sarno’s book) that it is the wrong type of drug for me. My cardiologist talks down to me and makes statements regarding the physiological effects of cholesterol that are so ridiculous that I think he believes them. I do think of triage in connection with my cardiologist: triage as in letting him goquote:
Originally posted by pspa123
If you think it's too high have you tried an angiotensin II receptor blocker (ARB), those have pretty benign side effect profiles as far as meds go and are said to be effective. Honestly I think you may be monitoring it too much and getting overly concerned about it?
Yup yup Rid the drugs and find a replacement behavior or something that will ultimately help your/ get rid of your stress load
U said it Ditch the docs and take control of your health and well being.
back to TMS thinking
The more I thought about then pain and tried to fight it ...the more intense the pain came and I continued in the Cycle of it.
Once I knew the pain was NOT a structural and I stared to deal with the emotional issues while re teaching my body to RELAX . Eventuality the pain went away. But is work in progress as you learn more about yourself . Bottom line Dr Sarno's TMS model thinking works.
Go back to the basics in application and you should do better my friend.
HTH
Kenny v
Always Hope For Recovery
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| pspa123 |
Posted - 12/12/2012 : 20:09:54
If you think it's too high have you tried an angiotensin II receptor blocker (ARB), those have pretty benign side effect profiles as far as meds go and are said to be effective. Honestly I think you may be monitoring it too much and getting overly concerned about it? |
| Peregrinus |
Posted - 12/12/2012 : 18:18:40
Andy:
You always make so much sense!
My blood pressure (BP) has been erratic with some disturbingly high readings as of late. For example this afternoon it read 155/84 and five minutes later 113/80! Which number is significant? I’m currently under the care of a GP and a cardiologist and taking the drug they have prescribed despite evidence that it has no effect and information (Dr. Mann in Sarno’s book) that it is the wrong type of drug for me. My cardiologist talks down to me and makes statements regarding the physiological effects of cholesterol that are so ridiculous that I think he believes them. I do think of triage in connection with my cardiologist: triage as in letting him go. My motivation for starting this tread is survival: I would feel better if I could do something about my sporadically high BP. At this point I’m unsure that it is a TMS symptom: there is certainly good reason to believe that it is!
I’m afraid that there isn’t much behind that intellectual façade. I do spend a lot of my time thinking about philosophy (morals), mathematics, physics, and invention. I’m working on the argumentative confrontational stuff although I’ve recently decided that ridicule is often the best response to nonsense.
I’m studying Ozanich’s book and (as many others have attested) finding it relevant to my TMS. As I’m working on my back pain (using one of your recommendations) a number of other symptoms are popping up. For example my knees are often painful. Sometimes it is the right knee and sometimes the left. I get rid of it by saying to myself “I’m not falling for that!”. I suspect that this BP might also be part of the same process.
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/12/2012 : 17:23:35
Thank you Kenny and Andy for the kind words and thoughts, wishing you both continued good mindbody health.  |
| andy64tms |
Posted - 12/12/2012 : 12:40:56
Hi Peregrinus,
Getting this thread back on track to Hypertension and noting what pspa123 said I have to say I am alarmed at what I think you said. According to my chart that came with my BP meter 160/90 is considered stage 1 Hypertension. If these readings are over the course of the day, I would be alarmed and more so if it continued every day.
In any event I am not medically qualified and encourage you to only get advice on this topic from your doctor, as he knows of the other factors involve, more so if he a specialist.
Please note, I only did my monitoring tests to verify if my medication works, not to second guess my decision to indulge in medication. This is a major league medical issue that can kill you or shorten your lifespan and not a simpleTMS-pain in the toe or back ache that we TMSers know is benign.
If I may creep out from under my TMS tortoise shell and also make a couple of observations, that are not intended to increase your blood pressure but perhaps may.
Is your background of system engineer and mathematics professor interfering with your decision making too much? I have a friend similar to you, a PHD professor statistician in the medical field. He hides his personality behind his intellect and academia. We engineers will also go to extraordinary lengths to get proof that fit our beliefs.
I notice from some of your previous threads a tendency for you to be confrontational and cynical to other people’s views, and somewhat argumentative. If you are showing this same view to the doctor maybe he saw you as a lost cause and declined to “articulate further”. After all he is human, probably very busy, stressed and has other patients that he thinks he can better serve. Think Triage.
I have been in toastmasters, profession job hunting clubs and have learnt that “presentation is everything”, it is the link between two people being able to communicate. As Whoopi Goldberg often comments: “I say this with love”.
I continue to learn daily about health from this forum thanks to all and Tom for pointing out my about bogus PSA test, I just received a check from my Aflac cancer plan, ha, ha.
Best wishes
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| kenny V |
Posted - 12/12/2012 : 10:48:43
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Originally posted by tennis tom
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Originally posted by Peregrinus
PSPA123:
Speaking of discredited orthodoxies, remember the mantra “saturated fat is bad for you”? Some idiots such as the TV physician personalities are still repeating it.
Thanks for that info Peregrinus, I'm doing my share to debunk all the nutrition hype. I ordered off the new Domino's Pizza menu last night, delivered to the motel room on my road-trip. Had the penne pasta Chicken Alfredo Carbonara Bread Bowl, the Stuffed Cheesy Bread, and the Cinna Stix with Sweet Vanilla Icing for dessert--yummy!
Yea good one …. u still got a sense of humor TT 
cant imagine how old folks (72 years old), can still run marathons a few times a year?? Better yet how bout the ones that finish a triathlon ( iron man). And live to see their next birthday .
They must be superman descendants and eat cryptonite before the races.
Always Hope For Recovery
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/11/2012 : 20:17:59
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Originally posted by Peregrinus
PSPA123:
Speaking of discredited orthodoxies, remember the mantra “saturated fat is bad for you”? Some idiots such as the TV physician personalities are still repeating it.
Thanks for that info Peregrinus, I'm doing my share to debunk all the nutrition hype. I ordered off the new Domino's Pizza menu last night, delivered to the motel room on my road-trip. Had the penne pasta Chicken Alfredo Carbonara Bread Bowl, the Stuffed Cheesy Bread, and the Cinna Stix with Sweet Vanilla Icing for dessert--yummy! |
| Peregrinus |
Posted - 12/11/2012 : 13:19:16
PSPA123:
Speaking of discredited orthodoxies, remember the mantra “saturated fat is bad for you”? Some idiots such as the TV physician personalities are still repeating it.
The following is from the referenced Web site.
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Via Dr. Briffa and Dr. Stephan Guyenet comes word of a new study from Japan.
This study followed 58,453 Japanese adults, aged 40 to 79 at the start of the study, for 14.1 years. [1] The study found that higher saturated fat intake was associated with:
• A 31% reduction in mortality from stroke
• An 18% reduction in mortality from cardiovascular disease
It was only earlier this year that a systematic review of the literature found that “there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD.” [2] In a few decades the reviews will probably have to go further: there will be significant evidence that dietary saturated fat is protective against CHD and CVD.
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http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2010/09/saturated-fat-reduces-risk-of-stroke-and-heart-disease/
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| pspa123 |
Posted - 12/11/2012 : 12:51:59
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Originally posted by shawnsmith
Wow, 9 cups a day is way over the top. I drink at most 2 cups a day. If I drink more than that I am in the bathroom all quite frequently.
As for the reduced salt intake, there are very serious studies which indicate that reducing one's salt intake can be dangerous as our bodies need salt. As the NYT article indicates the link between salt and hypertension is rather weak regardless of what these doctors say. In fact, these doctors also embrace prevailing myths like the rest of us.
I say all this not to be argumentative, but only to point out that commonly held explanations behind a variety of symptoms don't have much scientific basis and actually can be harmful.
I think we are seeing and will continue to see a lot of medical orthodoxies and mythologies come into question in the future. Cholesterol, salt, saturated fat, neurotransmitter imbalances, incidental xray and MRI findings, probably many more. |
| Peregrinus |
Posted - 12/11/2012 : 07:47:04
I read in one of the archived threads that hypertension is only a TMS symptom when you take your blood pressure (BP)!? I don’t get headaches or vertigo (now that I have stopped donating blood) so I’m only cognizant of my high BP when it is measured. A minute ago it was 126/86. What do you think Andy?
I stopped using salt ages ago but I suspect the cheese and cold cuts we eat have a fair amount of salt. When I stopped eating carbs about 12 years ago I noticed the BP went down a bit. Weather permitting I ride my bicycle about 2 hours a day and I’m trying to avoid stressful situations and thoughts.
One time I had 5-6 cups of coffee over a long lunch and my heart was racing all afternoon. It frightened me so that I stopped drinking coffee and started taking English Breakfast tea in the morning.
Thanks for the advice and encouragement!
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| kenny V |
Posted - 12/11/2012 : 07:24:57
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Originally posted by Peregrinus
Since the principal pathway of TMS is the autonomic nervous system (see Steven Ozanich’s book) which is also the mechanism by which our blood pressure (BP) is controlled one might leap to the conclusion that hypertension is a TMS symptom. Despite this and the fact that about 25% of the population suffer from hypertension there is at best scant mention of it in this forum. sometime be in the ball park of 115/70!
Does this prove anything? Should I worry? Should I continue with the meds? Do any of the TMS techniques specifically apply to hypertension?
Slowly get rid of docs and meds ( alternatively find a nutritionist)
Do more of TMS work to get rid of the anxiety/hypertension . In time all else should fall in place . Take care of yourself, exercise, eat right find an outlet to relieve the tension, daily . Help someone in need,set realistic goals, deal with the emotional issues that you have been putting off or that trouble you for so long ... start to get better.
Sorry I do not know all your details and I dont mean to be a know it all but thats good recipe for anyone to start with
My Best
Kenny V
Always Hope For Recovery
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| shawnsmith |
Posted - 12/11/2012 : 06:53:29
Wow, 9 cups a day is way over the top. I drink at most 2 cups a day. If I drink more than that I am in the bathroom all quite frequently.
As for the reduced salt intake, there are very serious studies which indicate that reducing one's salt intake can be dangerous as our bodies need salt. As the NYT article indicates the link between salt and hypertension is rather weak regardless of what these doctors say. In fact, these doctors also embrace prevailing myths like the rest of us.
I say all this not to be argumentative, but only to point out that commonly held explanations behind a variety of symptoms don't have much scientific basis and actually can be harmful. |
| andy64tms |
Posted - 12/10/2012 : 20:25:05
Hi Shawnsmith,
I know, I have read argument about salt both ways, I can’t decide whose right. Just to be on the safe side I joined my wife on a no-salt (from the shaker) approach. Guess what? No problem food taste just as good to me, there is usually enough salt added by the food corps for taste enhancement. Similar arguments to the mono gluts added in food. I often had the problem of monitoring the amount of salt and used to over pour, it’s no longer a worry.
My practitioner told me to reduce my coffee intake from nine to four cups a day once, didn’t give a reason. With ease I decided to go into a holding pattern of four cups a day. I sometimes cheat, but that continual trip to the free-coffee-at-work-to-reduce-stress-and-get-re-invigorated is over. MSN had a pro coffee blog that made me feel better about drinking it. Thanks for yours.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 12/10/2012 : 19:16:14
Coffee May Combat High Blood Pressure
http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/news/20100901/coffee-may-combat-high-blood-pressure |
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