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| healingback |
Posted - 12/07/2012 : 07:52:30
Ok so heres the question - i was diagnosed 15 years with crohns disease apart from the intially diagnosis and a year on steriods i have been fine for the past 15 years, however these past few weeks all the symptoms have come back, my question is is crohns tms?
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| kenny V |
Posted - 12/10/2012 : 11:12:18
I agree the TMS model can effect an ongoing issue for anyone. Discerning the difference is important to the one working on ridding the problem. However like anything else unless you get to the underlying condition you will have recurring issues or in TMS's case another symptom that we would call a a TMS equivalent
I hope this makes sense I am NOT avocation that any of these symptoms are NOT TMS related. Nor have a TMS component within them . As I am a True Dr Sarno disciple and believer . Recovered by adopting his methodology and using his model to discover my own chronic condition. Example been in Chronic pain for well over 20 years . Now free from pain going on 9 years. Sure from time to time I may get a reminder that I need to empty the tank or resolve and emotional issue . However I am no longer chasing symptoms nor am I experiencing what we call TMS equivalents . I think our bodies are wonderfully designed we need to learn to listen to the signs and give it want it needs to function properly. Fear anger , remorse, guilt are all emotions given to you for a reason. Than you have body symptoms such as pain that are signals too, perhaps a sign that something needs to be addressed as well. For an example when im hungry I eat , thirsty I drink, tired my body need rest....... and so on..
OK on the other side of the coin neither am I saying that these symptoms are NOT something else.... than the TMS model takes over . The Cycle continues....
The key what im saying is when or if this continues .Then so is the viscous cycle of one chasing symptoms . Again the real healing process is when you discover what was the tigers and or reason reasons for the symptoms . Isolating them one by one , asking what else may be an underlying issue that may NOT have been resolved yet. Hope that made sense
Once I argued with an Old TMS veteran ( well more than once) He told me that I always had TMS and I will always have it........ I said that's BS . Because i was not Born with it .. Nor the symptoms that I was experiencing. Logic told me they had to start somewhere.... or get triggered for that matter.
Sorry but for me it was discovering what went wrong connecting the dots to my WHOLE condition whee I came to realize its viscous cycle and Stop it. JMHO the reason why I stopped it was because I understand its origin and function. And all the things that led to the condition. Anyways
Hope that made sense ..for the newbies just do the TMS work prescribed by Dr Sarno for the more advanced . If you get a hiccup then perhaps you have more work to do.( of course we all should know that ) But JMHO .If you continue to get TMS equivalents than one may suggest there is more work to do . Or perhaps there is more to it ( than the only Its TMS) and its your Job to find out why your body is responding the way it does. Remember the body has a unique make up made with many systems that function together. Or go haywire for that matter ..The Auto Immune system is one that is least understood very complex . However it was wonderfully made and designed to work amazing. Our Goal is to understand its role and support what it needs to do its job right .
JMHO There are not many docs who treat the mind- Body and Spirit together . In fact when have you ever visited one....? So If we become our own docs and understand our Bodies in each function we are the best ones to diagnose and fix our issues within.
Again IMO The best Docs are the ones who do not think they are Right about Everything and are still willing to learn and listen to the patient . Same for us learn and listen to your body.
If we have preconceived thoughts that it is this or that nor can be a combination or something else. Than why would we consider to look for other clues to fix the underlying condition. Just saying 
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This is an interesting topic. I am peri-menopausal and had a procedure to stop my heavy periods, uterine ablation (not the hysterectomy that was urged by 3 Md's.). Very recently after the procedure my TMS found a new symptom imperitive -> low back pain ! I am new to TMS and the teachings but already am experiencing fantastic results. I whole hardheartedly believe TMS invades and permeates every body system including states of infection and trauma, including slow healing.
Yea I think a great example brought up menopause I will use this as an illustration
Menopause is perfectly normal for woman period!!!! ( get it period) , its supposed to happen. What do ya think God didn't know woman would be pass child bearing years.....
How come so many woman suffer in some cultures but not in others?
Why develop cultures or those with a preconceived notion they have all these symptoms or need to remove organs else the body wont work right .
BS . In fact in other countries woman consider it as a blessing and an Honor. But here is the USA woman have problems never experienced in other countries and are told they must get rid of organs take meds and such to fix the problem.
In short the woman must educate herself.. and perhaps adjusts her estrogen levels Naturally. Except and understand her change / cycle . Get healthy too.... And then perhaps she may not experience what she was told she is going to.
BTW I know a few woman who were told to have a hysterectomy but refused. Too ... all have gone the “natural route” NO ANIMAL DERIVED ESTROGEN DRUGS. Natural replacments and all are doing just fine .
JMHO there is always hope, sometimes the answer is too simple go back to the beginning and see whats missing
My Best
Kenny v
Always Hope For Recovery
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| EileenTM |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 19:39:04
Thank you Ace 1. I thought it could be TMS especially since I can sometimes stop the symptoms and I have no body pains (because of course I know that those are tms)
How do I feel about aging? To be honest, horrible! Especially in our youth obsessed culture. I remember reading in the Divided Mind that Sarno says that anger at aging can bring on symptoms for the first time which is pretty much what happened to me.
I will work on this because I want to enjoy the time I have. I don't want it to be ruined by symptoms that rob the joy from my life!
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| andy64tms |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 18:11:01
Good point,
A diet is considered ongoing and Tylenol is only occasional.
Thanks
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| Jilly |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 18:02:23
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Originally posted by shawnsmith
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Originally posted by EileenTM
Ace 1 you said in your earlier post that its tms unless it is infection or trauma.
My symptoms started 10 years ago with menopause
What about that?
Well, here is what I think about that. Menopause comes with aging, and with aging, according to Dr. Sarno, comes inner rage which in turn produces symptoms. How do you feel, I mean really feel, about getting older?
This is an interesting topic. I am peri-menopausal and had a procedure to stop my heavy periods, uterine ablation (not the hysterectomy that was urged by 3 Md's.). Very recently after the procedure my TMS found a new symptom imperitive -> low back pain ! I am new to TMS and the teachings but already am experiencing fantastic results. I whole heartedly believe TMS invades and permeates every body system including states of infection and trauma, including slow healing.
From Steve O's book... "The part of your body where you have stored your anger is the part that has to express it" p. 182 - John Lee, Facing the Fire. So if your anger is stored in the lungs, perhaps that makes you more prone to respiratory & sinus infections or allergies.
I believe the same principles work with severe guilt and self fulfilling prophecies, trauma, and accidents. It is almost as if they willed themselves into a terrible accident. " Death, divorce, adoption,, injury, criticism, abuse, indifference, midlife crisis, and various other forms of rejection are the primary directors of pain - generators of self conflict. The ultimate fear is in becoming disconnected or experiencing further rejection so self punishment provides a reprieve from unconscious guilt" p. 128 - Steve Ozanich
I think TMS and MindBody are intertwined ... mind & body are one in sickness and in health, till death do you part.
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| Ace1 |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 17:32:13
Yes hot flashes that persist are also TMS
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| shawnsmith |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 16:26:45
quote:
Originally posted by EileenTM
Ace 1 you said in your earlier post that its tms unless it is infection or trauma.
My symptoms started 10 years ago with menopause
What about that?
Well, here is what I think about that. Menopause comes with aging, and with aging, according to Dr. Sarno, comes inner rage which in turn produces symptoms. How do you feel, I mean really feel, about getting older? |
| EileenTM |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 16:18:34
Ace 1, Oops I was not very clear in my post. I do not have gastrointestinal symptoms.
I have what are common menopause symptoms: hot flashes, mood swings, fuzzy thinking, etc. I have been told that for most women these end after a few years.
Mine have been going for 10 years. Tms or not?
Thanks
Eileen |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 16:03:44
Well Andy in a diet you are restricting ALL the time and you become conditioned that you have to follow it to avoid symptoms. Taking meds occasionally is ok, bc you are not really doing it bc you think your body needs it to work properly. Obviously it's better if you can avoid it, but I don't think of it as making a life style change, like a change of a diet. |
| jaya |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 13:11:42
My wife caretakes for one of the family members of Dr crohn...ive asked him what he thought caused it ....his reply was... There is a huge mental component to it that is not accepted by mainstream medicine |
| andy64tms |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 12:51:46
Hi Ace1,
I like it when examples are given it provokes re thinking. Are you saying we should do nothing to ease our symptoms like changing our diets for fear we get a placebo effect that gets in the way of real TMS recovery?
On the other hand if you are able to ease symptoms by any means, isn’t this helping by freeing up your mental capacities to do the real emotional work? After all you eventually had enough clarity to think your lactose issue through. I’m surprised your TMS habits worsened, but I take your point.
I have been working on giving up Tylenol PM since the summer by thinking TMS first, sometimes I can reduce tension, other times I cannot. When I do succumb to these pills I am guaranteed of a fresh start to the day, I am happy and my brain is clear to do the work.
I’ve had a cough induced headache lately derived from a two week cold. I’m going to post about how TMS played a part in a cold-cough. It’s quite complicated, but this sentence is my commitment to write it.
Thank you for your example.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 11:53:00
Happening around menopause doesn't mean anything. In regards to Kenny v's post I think what is said is actually harmful to the patient. I'll give you an example, I thought I had developed lactose intolerance in the past and I stopped eating/drinking milk products. Guess what? It helped. However, I was always restricted and could not enjoy what everyone around me could. The basic cause of my symptoms were still there, but bc I felt better, i had no incentive to change and my TMS habits only grew worse and resulted in severe TMS in other forms (pain) later. In other words I was in worse shape and couldn't even eat things that I used to be able to enjoy. This is what will happen if someone takes Kenny's advice on this post. I know Kenny's intension is good, but I have to warn against this type of advice |
| kenny V |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 11:12:28
Plese dont shoot the messanger .I am not an advocate either way . Just passing some info that may be helpful or consider while you work on applying TMS recovery strategies with your healing.
The Specific Carbohydrate Diet™ has helped many thousands of people with various forms of bowel disease and other ailments vastly improve their quality of life. In many cases people consider themselves cured. It is a diet intended mainly for Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, celiac disease, diverticulitis, cystic fibrosis and chronic diarrhea. However it is a very healthy, balanced and safe diet that has health benefits for everyone
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/
There's a very interesting website the link is
http://www.crohns.net
maybe have a a look at their Pro-biotic section. Or other related GI topics
Just passing FYI Info .
Again for FYI only disregard if you don't want to prescribe to anything less than a TMS diagnosis . However If you want some relief with symptomss or looking for a basic protocol and or the role of Natural Probiotics and as involves the GI system .
You can do a search on crohns here
http://onibasu.com/
click a few or all of the reference forums to view some of the Q's and replies.
Mostly to see what those folks do to help resolve their Crohns related health issues.
Btw I am not tying to sell anything only pass related info that may be of some help while you recover .
Best of luck
Kenny v
Always Hope For Recovery
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| EileenTM |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 10:51:58
Ace 1 you said in your earlier post that its tms unless it is infection or trauma.
My symptoms started 10 years ago with menopause
What about that? I know some women have symptoms and some don't.
And for most the symptoms end witin a couple years .
Though some like me can have symptoms that go for years
Thanks
Eileen |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 09:23:55
quote:
Originally posted by Ace1
...I believe anything except trauma and infection has its basic origin in the mind...
I take that broader view of TMS also. And then you also have the effects of the autoimmune system on those real things--TMS is the volume control for the pain. I believe the subconscious has a major role in creating the situations where we get injured through inattention creating the circumstances for "accidents". For instance, what inattention caused us to step in front of that bus? I think, short of consciously giving up on life, some unconsciously create and place themselves in the "accident" situations for primary or secondary gain, to take themselves off the battlefield of life and get the "morphine". |
| jaya |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 08:39:52
Tms... All the way..unknown cause equals tms |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 06:29:20
I have a young girl who works in my office who has Crohns and she has the classic tms childhood and personality. I'm sure it is the basic cause but she doesn't want to work on it to cure herself. Many of my patients also have other tms symptoms and personaIity and you can just tell. This is how dr sarno found out that the pain syndromes were tms Actually, I believe anything except trauma and infection has its basic origin in the mind based on what I see on a daily basis. |
| balto |
Posted - 12/08/2012 : 19:48:17
I myself have never been diagnose with crohns disease but 2 of the people I know had. And both of them finally got rid of it after years of suffering by mindbody technique. so I do believe it is one of the mindbody syndrome.
Here is an interesting article on Crohns disease:
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/digestive-disorders/articles/2008/11/19/try-hypnosis-and-counseling-for-ibs-and-crohns
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| andy64tms |
Posted - 12/08/2012 : 19:22:53
Hi Healing BackPain,
30 years ago my wife was diagnosed with Chrons disease. Before this she endured emergency exploratory surgery that had inconclusive findings. It was in England and a horrible time for her returning from USA after a divorce.
Back in the states over many years and tests the diagnosis was relegated to IBS. She believes in Mind Body conditions, has read HBP and SteveO’s The Great Pain Deception and is happy with this TMS knowledge.
When you go to web sites like this one and read statements like this:
While the exact cause of Crohn’s remains unknown, researchers now believe that a combination of genetics, environmental factors, and an abnormal immune response may result in the inflammation of the digestive tract.
You can get clues from the words “Unknown” and “Immune Response”.
http://www.crohnsonline.com/what-is-crohns-disease/default.aspx?cid=ppc_ppd_hum_ggl_gastro_9614
The only white coat here is Ace1, and my wife agrees with his words. But I think only you and your Dr.s should finalize your belief.
Good luck.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| healingback |
Posted - 12/08/2012 : 09:17:29
ace 1,, can i ask why you say yes to it being tms?
This to shall pass.... |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 12/07/2012 : 14:33:00
I am not one to say yes or no, but why not try to apply TMS teachings to your condition and see what the result is. What do you have to lose? |
