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| kenny V |
Posted - 12/03/2012 : 06:39:00
here is an interesting article By Dr. Mercola on pain medication.
Of course add in/apply Doctors Sarno's techniques and what ever else you may have learned on this Journey.
Imo once you can let go of the things holding you back and do the real work behind our condition then we are on our way to get better.
Rem: most Dr's treat symptoms NOT the underlying condition. JMHO if we are honest with ourselves, willing to do the homework we will indeed get better as we discover our own condition.
Wishing everyone good health / healing/ great spirits and ,well being for the holidays
Always hope
kenny v
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/11/28/prescription-drug-death.aspx?e_cid=20121202_SNL_MS_1
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By Dr. Mercola
Deaths from prescription drug overdoses have been called the “silent epidemic” for years, and now, with one American dying every 19 minutes from an accidental prescription drug overdose,1 it’s being described as “the biggest man-made epidemic in the United States.”2
Dr. Sanjay Gupta, associate chief of neurosurgery at Grady Memorial Hospital and CNN's chief medical correspondent, recently highlighted the gravity of this issue, as many Americans don’t think twice about taking powerful pain-relieving drugs like morphine and Oxycontin.
But if you thought there was a chance they might kill you... the situation would most certainly change, and that’s why getting the word out about this leading cause of death is more important now than ever before.
Prescription Drugs are Killing People Every Day
The face of drug addiction in the United States is changing, and a significant number of older adults, particularly those in the baby boomer generation, as well as teens and young adults are struggling with both illicit and prescription drug abuse.
One of the most commonly abused drug classes are painkillers (opioids) like morphine, codeine, oxycodone, hydrocodone and fentanyl. These drugs are not only addictive, they can lead to slowed breathing and death if too much is taken, and the risks are compounded if you add alcohol to the equation.
Congressional testimony from the American Society of Interventional Pain Physicians stated that Americans consume 80 percent of the pain pills in the world,3 and once you start, they set off a cascade of reactions in your body that make it difficult to stop.
Dr. Gupta reported:4
“ …after just a few months of taking the pills, something starts to change in the body. The effectiveness wears off, and patients typically report getting only about 30% pain relief, compared with when they started. Even more concerning, a subgroup of these patients develop a condition known as hyperalgesia, an increased sensitivity to pain.
As you might guess, all of this creates a situation where the person starts to take more and more pills. And even though they are no longer providing much pain relief, they can still diminish the body's drive to breathe.
If you are awake you may not notice it, but if you fall asleep with too many of these pills in your system, you never wake up. Add alcohol, and the problem is exponentially worse. People who take pain or sleeping pills and drink a couple glasses of wine are playing Russian roulette.”
Two Tragic Stories of Prescription Drug Deaths
Fatal prescription drug overdoses actually surpassed car crashes as the leading cause of accidental death in 2007.5 Many of the overdoses (36 percent) involve prescription opioid painkillers, which were actually the cause of more overdose deaths than heroin and cocaine combined. To put this into perspective, in 2009, nearly 29,000 people died from unintentional drug overdoses, which is the equivalent of losing an airplane carrying 150 passengers and crew every day for nearly 6.5 months – a scenario that would simply be absolutely unacceptable in terms of public health risks.6
Since it's all legal, no one is really cracking down on this growing drug problem that is wrecking lives each day. How could they, really? The U.S. government has done everything in their power to aid Big Pharma's influence and profits, and you can't increase drug sales while dissuading people from taking them at the same time.
Overdose deaths are highest among men and those aged 20 to 64. Steve Rummler, 37, for instance, received a prescription for hydrocodone to address his back pain, along with clonazepam, an anti-anxiety medication, for injury-related anxiety. He soon became dependent on the drugs, and then addicted, noting that while at first the drugs were a lifeline, “now they are a noose around my neck.”7
Hydrocodone, a prescription opiate, is synthetic heroin. It's indistinguishable from any other heroin as far as your brain and body is concerned. So, if you're hooked on hydrocodone, you are in fact a good-old-fashioned heroin addict. But most people assume that because it’s a “prescription” drug, it’s safe, or should not carry the same negative stigma as a street drug.
This is, sadly, far from the truth. Even after completing two addiction treatment programs, Rummler had a relapse and died at the age of 43 from mixed drug toxicity.
In other cases, the damage occurs much more quickly. Eighteen-year-old Emily Jackson took a single Oxycontin pill while drinking with a cousin, and that night died of respiratory depression; she stopped breathing while she slept.8
75 Percent of Patients Taking Popular Blood Thinners Are Given Wrong Dose
It’s not only people who are addicted to painkillers who die from accidental overdoses. Some are also harmed when taking drugs at doses prescribed by their physicians. In a study presented at the American Heart Association Scientific Sessions 2012, researchers from the Intermountain Medical Center Heart Institute revealed that 75 percent of patients taking Plavix or Effient, two common blood-thinning drugs, may be receiving the wrong doses, which would put them at risk of uncontrolled bleeding or blood clots.
Earlier this summer, Dr. Barbara Starfield from Stanford, who was responsible for deriving the data for the headline, Doctors are the Third Leading Cause of Death, tragically died from the wrong dose of Plavix.
While a simple blood test could determine whether patients’ blood is clotting properly, an indication the medication’s dose is appropriate, the test is not widely used.
The fact of the matter is, adverse drug reactions from drugs that are properly prescribed and properly administered cause about 106,000 deaths per year,9 making prescription drugs the fourth-leading cause of death in the United States. And more than 2 million others will suffer serious side effects. When you compare these statistics to the death toll from illegal drugs -- which is about 10,000 per year -- you can begin to see the magnitude of the problem the legally prescribed drugs versus recreationally used drugs, it is TEN times worse.
Make Drugs the Last Resort for Your Pain
Many of those succumbing to prescription drug overdoses started taking the drugs not to get high, but to control pain – often back pain. If you are suffering from pain, I suggest you work with a knowledgeable health care practitioner to determine what's really triggering your pain, and then address the underlying cause.
Remember, along with exposing you to sometimes deadly risks, medications only provide symptomatic relief and in no way, shape or form treat the underlying cause of your pain. But you don't need to suffer unnecessarily while you get to the bottom of your pain issues. The following options provide excellent pain relief without any of the health hazards that prescription (and even over-the-counter) painkillers carry:
Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT), which is a drug-free approach for pain management of all kinds. EFT borrows from the principles of acupuncture, in that it helps you balance out your subtle energy system.
It helps resolve underlying, often subconscious, negative emotions that may be exacerbating your physical pain. By stimulating (tapping) well-established acupuncture points with your fingertips, you re-balance your energy system, which tends to dissipate pain.
Astaxanthin: One of the most effective fat-soluble antioxidants known. It has very potent anti-inflammatory properties and in many cases works far more effectively than many anti-inflammatory drugs. Higher doses are typically required and one may need 8 mg or more per day to achieve this benefit.
Ginger: This herb has potent anti-inflammatory activity and offers pain relief and stomach-settling properties. Fresh ginger works well steeped in boiling water as a tea or grated into vegetable juice.
Curcumin: In a study of osteoarthritis patients, those who added 200 mg of curcumin a day to their treatment plan had reduced pain and increased mobility.10
A past study also found that a turmeric extract composed of curcuminoids blocked inflammatory pathways, effectively preventing the launch of a protein that triggers swelling and pain.11
Boswellia: Also known as boswellin or "Indian frankincense," this herb contains specific active anti-inflammatory ingredients. This is one of my personal favorites as I have seen it work well with many rheumatoid arthritis patients.
Krill Oil: The omega-3 fats EPA and DHA contained in krill oil have been found by many animal and clinical studies to have anti-inflammatory properties.
Bromelain: This enzyme, found in pineapples, is a natural anti-inflammatory. It can be taken in supplement form but eating fresh pineapple may also be helpful.
Cetyl Myristoleate (CMO): This oil, found in fish and dairy butter, acts as a "joint lubricant" and an anti-inflammatory. I have used this for myself to relieve ganglion cysts and a mild annoying carpal tunnel syndrome that pops up when I type too much on non-ergonomic keyboards. I used a topical preparation for this.
Evening Primrose, Black Currant and Borage Oils: These contain the essential fatty acid gamma linolenic acid (GLA), which is useful for treating arthritic pain.
Cayenne Cream: Also called capsaicin cream, this spice comes from dried hot peppers. It alleviates pain by depleting the body's supply of substance P, a chemical component of nerve cells that transmits pain signals to your brain.
Methods such as yoga, acupuncture, meditation,12 hot and cold packs, and even holding hands13 can also result in astonishing pain relief without any drugs.
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| kenny V |
Posted - 12/11/2012 : 07:02:52
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Originally posted by andy64tms
Hi Kenny V and Back2- it,
Addiction:
I gave up alcohol 28 years ago and smoking 44 years hence. Indeed these were multiple addictive behaviors. An addiction being “substance dependant” and mind controlling etc. I have no other addictions.
Obsessiveness: Being obsessive is also one of my traits, not necessary harmful, but can cause inner resentment and anger, and has done so with me. My obsessivness is less serious and bothersome compared to addiction. It needs dealing with and is tied in with my perfectionism, frustration and low level anger-anxiety. Obsession is a personality trait and doesn’t require a substance to exist.
Love:
My love is for my wife, family and life. I would admit to being obsessed with windsurfing and am always seeking balance.
I don’t take offense at “funny” or “funny peculiar” as mind body is funny and peculiar. I had to take some blame and responsibility on myself for all of the above, and had to face the issues to overcome them. To this day I am pleased satisfied and even proud to have overcome Smoking and Alcohol in lieu of an early death.
Overcoming Smoking, Alcohol and my 2000 TMS recovery are the foundations of my belief in Mind body and TMS. I never took care of the mind issues and nitty-gritty involving the above, as the reasons are broad, intense and varied and remain in the depths of my soul.
That’s why I am here, thanks for prompting me to journal here.
Good stuff Andy thats why you had success . Jmho you Got real with yourself and dealt with some of the underlying issues. Yup yup and the rest is to work it self out as you continue on your personal journey.
Thank you for being honest , I had many traits , bad habits habits that needed to be changed , and my greatest underlying emotional issues to deal with was anger
Btw my wife is a recovering alcoholic too. NA ( both drugs and alcoholic/addict) She said besides admitting you are an addict one of the first steps to come to reality is when you are sick and tired of being sick and tired and want to change it. She also confessed that if she didn't surrender her addiction that she would be dead . She is sober now for over 20 years and she continues to submit through prayer as her daily Journal
IMO Journaling gives us a chance to get real with ourselves.
Ain't no drug or counseling session gona do that . Jmho we have to take inventory and clean out the closet .
Great testimony Andy
Kenny v
Always Hope For Recovery
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| Back2-It |
Posted - 12/10/2012 : 21:54:17
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Originally posted by kenny V
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Originally posted by Back2-It
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Originally posted by kenny V
As far as addictive personalities and TMS/anxiety, I think it is too broad a statement to say that many or most people who suffer it have addictive personalities. How are you going to work on a person's mind if they are, essentially, out of their minds?
[b]>>>That's a funny statement cuz most TMS'ers have additive personalities to start off with.
I don't understand? What part is the funny part? The part about somebody being so in a panic that they cannot function because thoughts of demise or disease are the only film roll playing, with then somebody then telling them that their condition is psychogenic? Will somebody in that condition suddenly grasp that and say, "hey,doc,your right. I'm going to stop the panic attack now and settle in with HBP.". I only wish it were that way for so many. While there is a definite anti-med attitude for many, I cannot fathom trying to reason with a person who is convinced in the next moment that they will die; or, worse, even, have everlasting horrific pain and trying to wrap your racing thoughts around that. Dr. Weekes talks about the "snap out of it crowd", and the problem that presents to a person who would love to "snap out of it". That is why I suggested that for SOME, meds should be the first line of attack and not the last. Nipped in the bud, with the ability to be calm and rational (with chemical help) might stop a person from re-programming a normal bodily sensation into a crippling situation.
The other part about Dr. Sarno concluding that all TMS/anxiety people are addictive in their personalities -- I just do not see that. He has worked with the baker and candlestick maker, and people who were from all walks of life. He did not note that, in addition to their back pain or constant headaches or whatever, that they came staggering into the office with whiskey on their breath. If an addictive personality were a prominent point in the dx and "cure", then I would think more attention would have been brought to it. Ah, yes, Jim X cured has back pain, tossed away the bottle and is now running marathons.
What I think is more correct is to say that SOME TMS/anxiety patients have an obsessive personality. In my opinion, there is a difference.
"Bridges Freeze Before Roads"
I get your point ,
OK but what I meant by funny is most addicts not all ( folks who suffer from an addiction) have multiple addictive behaviors . Thats why If not RECOVERED they continue on in a cycle similar to the un-recovered TMSer. . And the recovery or process is not finsished because they have not admitted their addiction and want change .
I believe TMSers alike have this similar addictive behaviors because TMS is a cycle So one that not yet recovered has not broken its cycle , perhaps uncovered the underlying condition. Then continue in its pattern of destruction., therefore its holding them back from the truth .
Or distracting them , holding hostage and the like from ridding the real problem that they should be dealing with.
Hope that made more sense.
An alcoholic first must believe they have a problem and realize how its destroying their life and even folks around them. The must realize they have an addiction and break its cycle.. But must get down to the nitty gritty of why they drink? Why they abused it in the first place without blaming in on something else other than themselves.
Always Hope For Recovery
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I get your point ,
OK but what I meant by funny is most addicts not all ( folks who suffer from an addiction) have multiple addictive behaviors . Thats why If not RECOVERED they continue on in a cycle similar to the un-recovered TMSer. . And the recovery or process is not finsished because they have not admitted their addiction and want change .
I believe TMSers alike have this similar addictive behaviors because TMS is a cycle So one that not yet recovered has not broken its cycle , perhaps uncovered the underlying condition. Then continue in its pattern of destruction., therefore its holding them back from the truth .
Or distracting them , holding hostage and the like from ridding the real problem that they should be dealing with.
Hope that made more sense.
An alcoholic first must believe they have a problem and realize how its destroying their life and even folks around them. The must realize they have an addiction and break its cycle.. But must get down to the nitty gritty of why they drink? Why they abused it in the first place without blaming in on something else other than themselves.
Always Hope For Recovery
More understandable. I am of the belief that, with the exception of a very few, most physical symptoms are the result of the fear of the symptoms continuing and being something structural. One can fully recover from the TMS "cycle" if they realize what it is that they are rally dealing with: anxiety. Once the knowledge is gained about what anxiety dose to a body, the cure will become self-evident. Sure, some twinge or pain may try to pop to the surface, but with a knowledge of what anxiety does to the body will stop it in due time.
My continuing suggestion to the TMS practitioners out there is that they have to explain more fully to some people, especially those who are "stuck", what the physical effects on a body are of hypertonic muscles -- referred pain, etc.. For other anxiety manifestations, the same.
If knowledge is the cure, and if Dr. Sarno, says you have to know what is going on, that means that you can disregard the physical exercises and treatments and such, but you have to -- have to-- know why, if your traps are tight, why they might refer pain to your chest or other areas. Otherwise, when resuming "normal" activity you will frighten yourself into stopping, because it is your back muscles that are tense but your chest that is hurting.
It is not enough to say "you're fine. It is stress/anxiety", will not work for everybody, and that is because of the obsessive TMS/anxiety personality of some.
It took an anatomy lesson and a better understanding of the body that finally got rid of the pain for me. Somehow, I think others need this knowledge, especially from a "MindBody" doctor/practitioner.
That's about all I've got to say, I'm afraid.
Merry, Merry to all. And to all a good night.
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| andy64tms |
Posted - 12/10/2012 : 16:49:59
Hi Kenny V and Back2- it,
A dictionary definition of the words addiction and obsession might clear this discussion up. Here’s my take:
Addiction:
I gave up alcohol 28 years ago and smoking 44 years hence. Indeed these were multiple addictive behaviors. An addiction being “substance dependant” and mind controlling etc. I have no other addictions.
Obsessiveness: Being obsessive is also one of my traits, not necessary harmful, but can cause inner resentment and anger, and has done so with me. My obsessivness is less serious and bothersome compared to addiction. It needs dealing with and is tied in with my perfectionism, frustration and low level anger-anxiety. Obsession is a personality trait and doesn’t require a substance to exist.
Love:
My love is for my wife, family and life. I would admit to being obsessed with windsurfing and am always seeking balance.
I don’t take offense at “funny” or “funny peculiar” as mind body is funny and peculiar. I had to take some blame and responsibility on myself for all of the above, and had to face the issues to overcome them. To this day I am pleased satisfied and even proud to have overcome Smoking and Alcohol in lieu of an early death.
Overcoming Smoking, Alcohol and my 2000 TMS recovery are the foundations of my belief in Mind body and TMS. I never took care of the mind issues and nitty-gritty involving the above, as the reasons are broad, intense and varied and remain in the depths of my soul.
That’s why I am here, thanks for prompting me to journal here.
Sort of rhymes..
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
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| kenny V |
Posted - 12/10/2012 : 13:46:23
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Originally posted by Back2-It
quote:
Originally posted by kenny V
As far as addictive personalities and TMS/anxiety, I think it is too broad a statement to say that many or most people who suffer it have addictive personalities. How are you going to work on a person's mind if they are, essentially, out of their minds?
[b]>>>That's a funny statement cuz most TMS'ers have additive personalities to start off with.
I don't understand? What part is the funny part? The part about somebody being so in a panic that they cannot function because thoughts of demise or disease are the only film roll playing, with then somebody then telling them that their condition is psychogenic? Will somebody in that condition suddenly grasp that and say, "hey,doc,your right. I'm going to stop the panic attack now and settle in with HBP.". I only wish it were that way for so many. While there is a definite anti-med attitude for many, I cannot fathom trying to reason with a person who is convinced in the next moment that they will die; or, worse, even, have everlasting horrific pain and trying to wrap your racing thoughts around that. Dr. Weekes talks about the "snap out of it crowd", and the problem that presents to a person who would love to "snap out of it". That is why I suggested that for SOME, meds should be the first line of attack and not the last. Nipped in the bud, with the ability to be calm and rational (with chemical help) might stop a person from re-programming a normal bodily sensation into a crippling situation.
The other part about Dr. Sarno concluding that all TMS/anxiety people are addictive in their personalities -- I just do not see that. He has worked with the baker and candlestick maker, and people who were from all walks of life. He did not note that, in addition to their back pain or constant headaches or whatever, that they came staggering into the office with whiskey on their breath. If an addictive personality were a prominent point in the dx and "cure", then I would think more attention would have been brought to it. Ah, yes, Jim X cured has back pain, tossed away the bottle and is now running marathons.
What I think is more correct is to say that SOME TMS/anxiety patients have an obsessive personality. In my opinion, there is a difference.
"Bridges Freeze Before Roads"
I get your point ,
OK but what I meant by funny is most addicts not all ( folks who suffer from an addiction) have multiple addictive behaviors . Thats why If not RECOVERED they continue on in a cycle similar to the un-recovered TMSer. . And the recovery or process is not finsished because they have not admitted their addiction and want change .
I believe TMSers alike have this similar addictive behaviors because TMS is a cycle So one that not yet recovered has not broken its cycle , perhaps uncovered the underlying condition. Then continue in its pattern of destruction., therefore its holding them back from the truth .
Or distracting them , holding hostage and the like from ridding the real problem that they should be dealing with.
Hope that made more sense.
An alcoholic first must believe they have a problem and realize how its destroying their life and even folks around them. The must realize they have an addiction and break its cycle.. But must get down to the nitty gritty of why they drink? Why they abused it in the first place without blaming in on something else other than themselves.
Always Hope For Recovery
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| Back2-It |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 10:50:53
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Originally posted by kenny V
As far as addictive personalities and TMS/anxiety, I think it is too broad a statement to say that many or most people who suffer it have addictive personalities. How are you going to work on a person's mind if they are, essentially, out of their minds?
[b]>>>That's a funny statement cuz most TMS'ers have additive personalities to start off with.
I don't understand? What part is the funny part? The part about somebody being so in a panic that they cannot function because thoughts of demise or disease are the only film roll playing, with then somebody then telling them that their condition is psychogenic? Will somebody in that condition suddenly grasp that and say, "hey,doc,your right. I'm going to stop the panic attack now and settle in with HBP.". I only wish it were that way for so many. While there is a definite anti-med attitude for many, I cannot fathom trying to reason with a person who is convinced in the next moment that they will die; or, worse, even, have everlasting horrific pain and trying to wrap your racing thoughts around that. Dr. Weekes talks about the "snap out of it crowd", and the problem that presents to a person who would love to "snap out of it". That is why I suggested that for SOME, meds should be the first line of attack and not the last. Nipped in the bud, with the ability to be calm and rational (with chemical help) might stop a person from re-programming a normal bodily sensation into a crippling situation.
The other part about Dr. Sarno concluding that all TMS/anxiety people are addictive in their personalities -- I just do not see that. He has worked with the baker and candlestick maker, and people who were from all walks of life. He did not note that, in addition to their back pain or constant headaches or whatever, that they came staggering into the office with whiskey on their breath. If an addictive personality were a prominent point in the dx and "cure", then I would think more attention would have been brought to it. Ah, yes, Jim X cured has back pain, tossed away the bottle and is now running marathons.
What I think is more correct is to say that SOME TMS/anxiety patients have an obsessive personality. In my opinion, there is a difference.
I am no fan of Big Pharma, because another lessen I learned along the way is that some doctors will prescribe the latest wonder drug, some in hope of it really working and helping the person, and some probably due to financial considerations.
Dr. Mercola, again, uses fear, mostly, to gain and keep an audience and market. His solutions often involve the purchase of organic this or that, beyond the financial reach of many, or the dosing with his patented, best in the world, none better, sure to keep you going to 105, krill (snake) oil. If health includes changing your thinking and not dwelling on the negative or things that cannot be changed by the normal person, this doctor fails.
This kind of discussion, I really believe, discourages some who come to this site looking for the real help it provides. Dave, again, what about a separate forum for nit picking? If I would have read this stuff first glance it would have been my first and last visit.
Dave?
"Bridges Freeze Before Roads" |
| kenny V |
Posted - 12/08/2012 : 10:31:21
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Originally posted by Back2-It
A word of explanation: I stay away from the forums, as I mentioned, because I freely admit that I am susceptible to suggestions at this point. Not so much as before, but I am not years away from the pain cure and from understanding anxiety. And the wisest contributers on here strongly advise to get on with your life and live it and keep to a plan.
>>True
>>often times we need to apply what we learn
As far as addictive personalities and TMS/anxiety, I think it is too broad a statement to say that many or most people who suffer it have addictive personalities. How are you going to work on a person's mind if they are, essentially, out of their minds?
>>>That's a funny statement cuz most TMS'ers have additive personalities to start off with.
If im not mistaken it was one of the discoveries Sarno made learning about Tms mode
Mercola, I'm sorry. He is the Medical Black e-Hole appearing on your screen each morning, warning you that one more drink of tap water and that's it for you, buddy. Fear sells. He is light on scientific proof and will hawk his branded supplement every chance. Not to say that he does not provide some nuggets of truth, but a stopped clock is right twice per day as well.
>>>>He's not all about the money and blatantly lies to cash in. Thats what the REAL enemy does. BIG Pharma /Vaccine manufactures)
His objection is health and well being and to educate the public in how to get better yourself.
>>>Just keep in mind all the good guys out there . But mostly who wants to stop all the whistle blowers. The are many GOOD resources to cross check claims and or scientific research in the health field
For example VRP ( vitamin research products) . They come out with allot of well documented research, you can use them as a cross reference any time.
>>>>Off course like any good research and making informed choices we take not one reference as all Gospel . Its up to use to do the investigative work to find out if products Drugs , supplements are good quality, help with specific conditions and or for better health. and preventive maintenance
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There is no template for cure; each person must structure his own, once they understand what is going on. Sadly, many pain-wracked people never understand their problem.
>>> So very true True each person must discover it deep within themselves.. Like I used to illustrate Connect the dots with their current / past / condition. Get rid of any misconceptions . Most of all do the homework required by Dr Sarno and you will start to get better. Once you start to get/ feel better you believe you can.
JMHO But dont Stop there Sometimes we need to discover what we don't like about ourselves and change from within.. And this is not easy task if we put our wisdom pride and dependance on ourselves. ( yes I do believe in a somewhat spiritual application) Or if you want to call it spiritual component . Sure you can empty the tank inside through good journalaning once in a while. . But if you need a deep clean , forgiveness, (healing within) I do not think the work we try to do will stick, especially with a chronic complex conditions and severe traumas. Some that are so bad that we choose to avoid them or block them out of our mind. I Whole hardheartedly believe this type of healing w ill not come from a therapist who will tell you, that you are OK Especially when in truth you are not living an authentic life. Yes sometimes we need find forgiveness with what someone did has done or is doing to us . But sometimes its us that needs to find the forgiveness.
Lastly as far as the physical side often its is easy as deprogram in what the world has taught us about ourselves /condition. Sometimes our conditions and or bad habits are a bit complex . In fact our whole makeup ( who we are inside) often needs to be discovered or changed Therefore it may require a Multi facet approach . Some folks may just need de programming while others may need a well rounded approach
JMHO If Discover the truth about ourselves condition , put it to application , something should change for the better towards health and wellness.
Kenny V
Always Hope For Recovery
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/08/2012 : 10:21:21
Thanks for stopping in Kenny, and happy holidays to you too. It reminds me of the good 'ol days when Austin Gary, the board's founder was around and we had lively debates. Remember the old format, I wonder if the posts are still available in the archives?
Good on you for helping the storm victims. I agree, helping folks in person is much more rewarding then giving taxes to the government and who knows where it goes from there?
Call anytime, cheers,
tt
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
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"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
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Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
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Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
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| kenny V |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 10:45:04
Happy New years my Ole friend Tom stopped in to say hello not staying long tho, have other ministries .I have learned last few years Its more rewarding to help folks in person now. besides im also involved with relief efforts from Hurricane sandy here in NJ .
Anyways nice to hear from ya Maybe ill give ya a shout ( land line) soon . Love to touch base with old friends to see how life is exchange a few notes and fellowship/w/one another
As far as the Laywer Cya 
Nm / Nc
Kenny v
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| pspa123 |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 08:28:36
Kenny, given your point of view you probably know of Dr. Russell Blaylock, if not I think you would very much enjoy his perspective on things. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 08:12:51
Welcome back Kenny V and well said Back2-It!
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod
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TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
| kenny V |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 06:57:21
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Originally posted by pspa123
I honestly don't understand what you are saying and there is no point in debating this further. People are free to believe what they want to believe, and conspiracy theorists always do. The very fact that Vioxx was pulled based on post-marketing experience shows that the sponsor did not control the FDA. And as I said many drugs don't make it through the approval process in the first place, because your "puppets" either don't believe the drugs are safe or they aren't convinced of their efficacy. Does the FDA make mistakes? Yes, of course it does. In part, it probably doesn't have enough funding, and sometimes as in all walks of life there is inexcusable human error. Would it be better if there were, magically, a pool of scientists and doctors smart enough to make decisions on drugs and devices who somehow got to that point in their careers without ever having had affiliations with drug companies? Sure, but how do you propose making that happen?
But if you like your "puppet" theory better than the nuanced reality, you should believe what you want to believe.
And for my Lawyer friend that has yet to give a fair response about How the FDA operates within its power. What gives the FDA, CDC , WHO or NIH, AAP authority , supervision to dictate what is “SAFE ” or for that matter to advise recommend, regulate or even MANDATE the population to get a vaccine.
LAST Question than no further Questions we will let the jury decide
So what constitutes rectifying the problem ???????????
Is it How many people have to die, get sick or suffer a major adverse reaction that leads to a life long disability before somethings done ?
Or is it how much money is lost in lawsuits versus profit ratio,before a change in suspending the product is even considered ?
THINK ABOUT THIS HOW DOES THE FDA PROTECT US
If their is no accountability to vaccine manufactures and its not enforced to Big Pharmaceutical GIANTS . Than how can we say they are out for our best interest when they just slap a few fines instead of putting these criminals in jail?
You are the Lawyer how do hold these folks accountable ?
By penalizing them financially ….. Thats supposed to work? When we dont even have proper laws in place protect the innocence. Sure they create compensation programs ( pay offs) to cover themselves, However most families dont receive compensation . Besides they cant bring back a loved one …. Meanwhile who gets rich through the process ? Good one Lawyer
********* LAST POINT ******
So if thy knew during the first two phases of the clinical trials people suffered from a major adverse reactions and even death occurred
So who decides if the vaccine/ drug is safe for others to use?
At what cost and how much is a life worth?
Always Hope For Recovery
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| Back2-It |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 00:02:25
A word of explanation: I stay away from the forums, as I mentioned, because I freely admit that I am susceptible to suggestions at this point. Not so much as before, but I am not years away from the pain cure and from understanding anxiety. And the wisest contributers on here strongly advise to get on with your life and live it and keep to a plan.
Another reason, is I have very little to contribute that is not said better by others. Not a low opinion thing, but just fact.
The one issue I do wish to hammer home is that TMS/anxiety sufferers, who are having bodily symptoms, especially muscular, nerve and tendon, must understand what exactly that does to a body.
If a MindBody doc is going to claim that title MIND & BODY, the doctor has to advise that the pain is psychogenic and, because your shoulders and paraspinals are like rocks and rails, you are liable to feel pain and stiffness and god-knows-what-else in distant parts of your body. Pronouncing somebody "okay" and "healthy" is just not enough for SOME,especially when the supposedly effected parts are causing pain in a far off area. This is obvious to many, I suppose, but not to some. It was not to me. Not fully counseling on what the bodily symptoms will do is, in my opinion, just like the allopathic doctor pronouncing that your malady is a "physical" problem only. Maybe this is done my some TMS docs and not thought necessary by others. This is just my opinion.
As far as addictive personalities and TMS/anxiety, I think it is too broad a statement to say that many or most people who suffer it have addictive personalities. How are you going to work on a person's mind if they are, essentially, out of their minds? Saying your problem is psychogenic, while you are blitering on about dying and disease, and wracked with pain, is nice in theory but lousy in practice.
I also personally do not believe that most anti-depressants work to settle a persons thinking, whether it is placebo or not. Most anti-depressants will come with the two to three week warning that it takes time to work, and may cause increased anxiety. Often, Ativan or another benzo is prescribed side-by-side but tapered after the two to three weeks. If you are taking meds and never really have the knowledge that will "cure" you, you will always be switching meds to find that magic bullet. Or, worse, losing hope and doing something horrible to yourself.
Mercola, I'm sorry. He is the Medical Black e-Hole appearing on your screen each morning, warning you that one more drink of tap water and that's it for you, buddy. Fear sells. He is light on scientific proof and will hawk his branded supplement every chance. Not to say that he does not provide some nuggets of truth, but a stopped clock is right twice per day as well.
There is no template for cure; each person must structure his own, once they understand what is going on. Sadly, many pain-wracked people never understand their problem.
"Bridges Freeze Before Roads" |
| kenny V |
Posted - 12/04/2012 : 12:26:04
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Originally posted by pspa123
I honestly don't understand what you are saying and there is no point in debating this further.
But if you like your "puppet" theory better than the nuanced reality, you should believe what you want to believe.
Avoidance of all the Q's I see Oh!... I forgot ….. yea thats right yure a lawyer ...lol........
why not now send a paid Puppet to further distract the “truth” from the first 2 Q's then ill look bad again...
Now friend I am trying to think logically with you perhaps and ask a few honest questions in reason .
In all fairness I think you should TRY to answer to the best of your ability , but try not to avoid the original questions presented. Promise I wont bite
let me help you now and lets look at the first Q for a second
Was Viox removed from the market from the FDA or did they voluntary remove their product?
Please give an Honest answer
Wait a second now
Did in fact the clinical studies presented to the FDA
PRIOR to the FDA regulation and approval process indeed showed adverse reactions cardiovascular problems with use of the drug ?
Go ahead set the record straight
Now let me ask What Company markets Viox ?
And At that time what was their #1 and #2 money making drug that was being sold?
Again Why was Viox approved then removed from the market ?
ahum … now I think u are loosing your creditability
Always Hope For Recovery
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| pspa123 |
Posted - 12/04/2012 : 11:19:20
I honestly don't understand what you are saying and there is no point in debating this further. People are free to believe what they want to believe, and conspiracy theorists always do. The very fact that Vioxx was pulled based on post-marketing experience shows that the sponsor did not control the FDA. And as I said many drugs don't make it through the approval process in the first place, because your "puppets" either don't believe the drugs are safe or they aren't convinced of their efficacy. Does the FDA make mistakes? Yes, of course it does. In part, it probably doesn't have enough funding, and sometimes as in all walks of life there is inexcusable human error. Would it be better if there were, magically, a pool of scientists and doctors smart enough to make decisions on drugs and devices who somehow got to that point in their careers without ever having had affiliations with drug companies? Sure, but how do you propose making that happen?
But if you like your "puppet" theory better than the nuanced reality, you should believe what you want to believe. |
| kenny V |
Posted - 12/04/2012 : 11:14:19
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Originally posted by pspa123
The FDA is far from perfect, and I know from personal experience that big pharma has its excesses, but to state that the FDA are "puppets" controlled by big pharma as though it were a "fact" The truth is usually far more complex than conspiracy theorists want to acknowledge.
***last but not least but PLEASE ANSWER THE FIRST 2 QUESTIONS FIRST***
How bout a Bonus Q that deserves an HONEST yet SOBERING answer for everyone
Why in the world would the MOST SUCCEFUL / LARGEST SOFTWARE GIANT IN THE WORD HAVE an INTEREST in recently BUYING a vaccine company ?
Always Hope For Recovery
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| kenny V |
Posted - 12/04/2012 : 10:56:29
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Originally posted by pspa123
The FDA is far from perfect, and I know from personal experience that big pharma has its excesses, but to state that the FDA are "puppets" controlled by big pharma as though it were a "fact" is just plain silly and diminishes your credibility. As a lawyer I have read many transcripts of FDA advisory panel meetings on drugs and devices, and reviewed many communications between the FDA and drug and device manufacturers. Very hard questions are asked, and very thoughtful consideration is given, and big pharma often does not get its way. Many drugs submitted by big pharma do not get approved, or get taken off the market due to post-marketing events, for example. The truth is usually far more complex than conspiracy theorists want to acknowledge.
Information is free and knowledge is applied wisdom. And history in itself can teach many lessons.
Anyone can do a time line of the many Drugs/ vaccines adverse reactions and so on . Mainly the names in history of these drugs vaccine appoved then puled off the market and WHY ?????????????
Other counties even less fortunate of the “ Freedom of info Act” have much to say about a time line of the Drug approval/ removal and adverse reaction report. Dont go there with me ….
Comon Lawyer lol........ any good detective can follow the money trail ,most times it shows were/ why the CRIME may have been committed and or the motive behind it.
Let me ask 2 Questions to you Lawyer
Why did they pull Viox ( sp)? of the market?
Here is another one for ya .
The USA provides somewhere about 80% of the medical RESEARCH around the world...
So let me ask and honest Question again so who funds it?
Always Hope For Recovery
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| pspa123 |
Posted - 12/04/2012 : 10:12:50
The FDA is far from perfect, and I know from personal experience that big pharma has its excesses, but to state that the FDA are "puppets" controlled by big pharma as though it were a "fact" is just plain silly and diminishes your credibility. As a lawyer I have read many transcripts of FDA advisory panel meetings on drugs and devices, and reviewed many communications between the FDA and drug and device manufacturers. Very hard questions are asked, and very thoughtful consideration is given, and big pharma often does not get its way. Many drugs submitted by big pharma do not get approved, or get taken off the market due to post-marketing events, for example. The truth is usually far more complex than conspiracy theorists want to acknowledge. |
| kenny V |
Posted - 12/04/2012 : 07:32:50
Somewhat agree but you miss the point . I don't want to debate .. here . And im not selling anything to anyone but info to those willing to consider .
Now the only thing I am advocating is to treat the root issue Yes with a TMS approach. . Painkillers and Antidepressants are not the root issue or Fix for TMS and its complications.
It is a fact that we are NOT healthy to start off with and a host of other issues can be helped and or get jump started/ repaired by proper health and nutrition..Im talking about good ole common sense and bare basics . Now Its gets more complicated the more problems are being treated and the small ones are over looked.
The bottom line is often we miss the simple bare basics of good health by complicating it by throwing stuff that treats the symptom rather than the underlying condition.
And that goes with GI issues, detoxing the body , aiding the over burdened systems that are NOT working properly due to OTHER health issues. Go back to the basics and get them in order . If an overweight person has a host of Allergies, GI issues, digestives complications and has a bad knee/leg on top of it . Then all the diet pills, stuff for their GI, yeast etc.... Rx and medications is not going to resolve their health issues.
They need to start to take care of them self and do the maintenance and discover the root issues why they are a mess.
*** Key point here.*** As far as TMS or the Overweight problem in the first place, they need to resolve WHY they over eat . The root issue to solve and replace whats is making them sicker. . . Its a change of lifestyle not an under-active thyroid problem.
OK with that said , For the record for folks who want to know what is going behind the scenes regarding FDA .
Sure everyone wants to make money on selling something And yes that vitamin industry has gotten big over the past few years. Folks are catching on .  However we still need to be smart make wise choices. . But that is up to us to do research on products before we buy them.
The FDA does not TEST ANYTHING . Learn how they operate . They approve and look at the data provided, consider clinical trails . However they are heavily influenced by those who have financial ties to the ones presenting these trials. Get the facts straight . Again the FDA are the puppets of big Phama and the Vaccine industry
Big Phama wants control over the supplement industry NOW. They been trying to take control and require script for the past 10 years. Do your research on it. The problem is they cant put patents and make money on natural elements that heal the body. Hope that made more sense.
If not than im sure Some of the Bill Gates major disrupt the internet info campane has leaked into this forum. Yea he has paid millions to do this. One of the reasons I don't bother with health forums much anymore either.
Good health and well being to everyone 
Kenny v
Always Hope For Recovery
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| pspa123 |
Posted - 12/03/2012 : 17:43:25
I take a few supplements myself, but by and large I agree that a large segment of our society seems to have developed an undue fascination with them, in part no doubt due to some of the same slick marketing tactics that the pharmaceutical industry employs. For example, every month, Life Extension Foundation is touting some new supplement and putting forth a scientific article to support its use. But if you read the fine print and footnotes, the evidence is usually pretty flimsy -- a small uncontrolled pilot study reported in some Indian journal for example.
As I have posted elswehere, I have my serious doubts whether all the folks on the various chronic disease message boards are going to eventually cure themselves by finally finding the precisely right supplement regime.
And even aside from potential contamination which has proven to be an issue with l tryptophan for example, with supplements people seem to think there are no potential side effects or interactions which is not true. |
| Peregrinus |
Posted - 12/03/2012 : 17:36:19
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Originally posted by pspa123
neither do I believe that supplements such as those Dr. Mercola lists (ginger, curcumin, etc.) are effective against serious pain.
I agree that supplements should be avoided. Unlike prescription drugs they are unregulated. If they find poison in a batch they do not report it! Many companies buy their crap in bulk from places like China! Ugh! Most of these supplement companies are backroom operations so that if you try to sue them they disappear. I’m convinced that people are dying from this junk which by the way has no proven health benefit. |
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