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| km118 |
Posted - 11/13/2012 : 18:59:18
I've been on the path to healing my TMS for about two months now. My symptoms were pain down my right leg and into my butt 24/7. I had this pain for about 5 years. I slowly started running, after taking a year off from excercise. Yesterday I bought a gym membership because I really want to get back into shape. It can just be upsetting and hard to run and excercise through pain. Does anyone have any advice on getting back into excercise? What i should be doing during my excerise(as in my mindset, affirmations, etc)? Or maybe how to use excercise to help you heal? I haven't seen to much improvement but I'm holding on to hope! I just feel stuck in a rut and want to get out!
I'm always in pain therefore when I'm running I am also. I try telling myself "nothing it wrong with you. You're strong and healthy" Do I just need to keep practicing this affirmation for it to lead to positive results? Sorry for so many questions, I'm new and confused! |
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| andy64tms |
Posted - 11/27/2012 : 16:43:07
Hi Back2-it,
I was attracted to your link by the word kinesiophobia. I am nearly 65 and have never lifted weights before, so I recently got a personal trainer at my gym with a view to add weight lifting to my present swim routine. On his business card he has: BS Kinesiology CSUN.
I am unlike km118 who is seeking help with the initial “first fear of movement “that most of us have. However your post reminded me that Dr.Sarno stated we need to know what’s going on with our bodies in order to affect a cure.
I have been surprised about how little I know about how the muscles work to make the body function. I windsurf, do yoga, swim and am very active, and still knew very little about calories carbs and protein. I feel happy with my trainer’s explanations, and can now chat to my three sons who know more about this topic than I do!
The article also gives a good explanation of the difficulties I had starting exercising 12 years ago, and certainly should be considered as part of Dr Sarno’s “knowledge therapy”, Km118 you need to read it.
Thanks for posting it
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| balto |
Posted - 11/27/2012 : 08:05:48
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Originally posted by Back2-It
More attention, I think, and explanation of the "fear of movement" has to be incorporated into many who find themselves "stuck". For many, they have to know why their muscles are still stiff or hurt when restarting movement. Somebody or something has to explain the "why" of it. This is like a subset of the entire TMS/anxiety problem.
After I got rid of tms/anxiety, for a long time when I sit I still lean my weight on just one side of my hip, I still walk with less weight on one leg than the other, I still lift heavy weight with my leg bent at the "correct" position.... those are just habit, an automatic things my body would do, it's like my muscle have it's own memory bank and they will just do that on their own, without any instruction from my brain. It took me a while to teach myself to walk normal again, to sit normal again...
Good to see you back Back2it
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 11/26/2012 : 21:54:00
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Originally posted by LuvtoSew
...I never seen a body worker till my early 50's and then I had money for alt treament and I must say I've gone downhill ever since. I'm the type everytime someone worked on me I got a new problem area,
I figures I was like the weak tower, and had many weak links and thats why I got a new pain area everytime I went to a new bodyworker.
Well, if you ever do any bodywork again I wouldn't recommend Rolfing--maybe Reiki. 
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| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 11/26/2012 : 14:26:17
Not posture then hey , when I was younger and had no extra money or sometimes ins. and I got an injury, sprain whatever I never went to the dr. I never seen a body worker till my early 50's and then I had money for alt treament and I must say I've gone downhill ever since. I'm the type everytime someone worked on me I got a new problem area,
I figures I was like the weak tower, and had many weak links and thats why I got a new pain area everytime I went to a new bodyworker.
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| Back2-It |
Posted - 11/26/2012 : 13:35:54
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Originally posted by Ace1
I dont think posture has anything what so ever to do with it, its just when your doing something tedious, like playing a video game, or sewing, typing etc, you get tense bc of impatience, this leads to pain, but usually mistakenly attributed to the posture.
I was not focusing on posture aspect of the article, but fear or anxiety of movement, something Dr. Sarno insists must be overcome for a "cure".
Not every article is going to form-fit the TMS message, I know, but some have parts that are consistent, in my opinion, with the TMS idea.
As a doctor, you may know why muscles that are tight hurt when moved, after not being moved freely or strangely for sometimes literally years, or when under oxygen depredation, lack of blood flow, or whatever, but lay people do not. This scares the poop out of people who are trying to resume normal activity; then they stop in their tracks and ramp up the fear-anxiety-fear again. Okay, the thought is: the pain is benign, but "why" does it hurt. That's all. Helps to know.
Just saying the pain is "benign" to many, especially those who have been bedridden or unconsciously guarding or splinting a limb or part of their body for many years, for some, is not enough. Unless I am totally wrong, muscles can atrophy or have other changes from disuse or misuse, caused by the blood flow deficit or whatever.
Not one doctor ever told me, TMS doc or otherwise, that if this muscle is in spasm or tight due to tension or lack of blood flow, it will have this effect and you will feel like "X". They either told me I was a hopeless case, the allopathic docs, or, the TMS doc, that not to worry, you are perfectly healthy.
This is part of the TMS personality for some, as perfectionists of sorts. You just want more knowledge; that's all. More knowledge of the "why" is part of the cure.
The posture issue is besides the point. I don't believe it has anything to do with chronic pain, unless you live in a 3X5 box.
"Bridges Freeze Before Roads" |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 11/26/2012 : 08:11:01
I dont think posture has anything what so ever to do with it, its just when your doing something tedious, like playing a video game, or sewing, typing etc, you get tense bc of impatience, this leads to pain, but usually mistakenly attributed to the posture. |
| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 11/26/2012 : 05:04:22
No it makes perfect sense. Its like being on a merry go round, but with non use muscles do atrophy quickly so one must start out slowly but we do have a tendency to guard which one again causes pain. I do believe in good posture, not stick posture, but slumping is not good,
diabllity will be more prominent in the future with young kids now glued to the computer and TV unless they start making them exercise , they don't even have gym class in high schools anymore do they? Just rambling. |
| Back2-It |
Posted - 11/24/2012 : 09:25:04
Just something to ponder: http://healthskills.wordpress.com/2009/08/25/safety-behaviours-do-they-maintain-kinesiophobia/
Once TMS/anxiety is accepted, then, as Sarno pointed out, fear will prevent a "cure" more than anything else. A dog will limp on an injured paw, but once healed, the animal has no emotional recall of the injury or anticipation of it recurring.
Humans do, and even though pain is known to be benign, with the acceptance of "knowledge therapy", the disuse or misuse (bracing, guarding, etc.) of the limb, back or entire body will cause physiological and biochemical change in the nerves, muscles and tendons. I think many people, especially those with years of pain, have to learn movement again, and this takes a special awareness. As Sarno says, you have to know what's going on in your body in order to affect a "cure". This means through the entire process of healing.
More attention, I think, and explanation of the "fear of movement" has to be incorporated into many who find themselves "stuck". For many, they have to know why their muscles are still stiff or hurt when restarting movement. Somebody or something has to explain the "why" of it. This is like a subset of the entire TMS/anxiety problem.
Probably stating the obvious to some, but for many in a panic first about the initiation of symptoms, and then about the symptoms again when they accept TMS/anxiety, it is not obvious.
Not even sure this makes sense, but it did to me.
Just my two chips thrown in.
"Bridges Freeze Before Roads" |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 11/24/2012 : 08:17:35
Correct |
| eric watson |
Posted - 11/23/2012 : 20:38:04
thanks ace and ace i gotta say this to km118-you got it |
| km118 |
Posted - 11/23/2012 : 20:21:23
So Ace, what I gather from your advice is to use affirmations to ease anxiety and bring levels of tension down? Rather than convincing your body of its capabilities, ease the tension within your mind? |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 11/23/2012 : 20:07:42
There is nothing wrong with I'm strong and heathy and it might be helpful. It is just that it doesn't take care of the root cause of the problem. If the root cause is still there, maybe the back will get better, but the illness will shift to something else. The goal s to achieve peace and functional relaxation, then there will be no need for symptoms. It is always important to affirm in the present tense as doing it in the future keeps the goal just out of your reach. |
| eric watson |
Posted - 11/23/2012 : 19:20:16
ace whats wrong with im strong and healthy-no two negs there or is it like you said direct your affirmations toward calmness,or was it because the word feel wasnt added-i get the no strain approach because it has helped me alot.
one more question is there something to the future tense affirmation of im going to do great meant to keep the strain doun ? the im doing great affirmation sounds good too as its in the present or as i told my wife,you could and probably mean im going to do great at what ever i do today,
these affirmations were key to your recovery and they really helped me-im going to get the book mind power-but in the mean time i dont want to hit a neg with a neg,
i see the negs in im not and i dont-thanks |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 11/23/2012 : 16:14:42
Yes Andy exactly this is what I'm talking about. You really understand what I'm trying to convey. Just keep doing it and you'll be totally cured over time. |
| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 11/23/2012 : 14:45:00
Maybe I should get Steve O's book, he had butt pain too. I went to a chiro a few years ago and that lady push three times hard on my sacrum, I think she was trying to push my butt up to my neck, anyway after that disaster I could barely sit for several months , since then I have been to people who worked on the muscles of my coccyx area and just worst. Everyone makes it worst. I did have simple xrays done at my family dr. but he said he didn't see anything.
anyway I do have Sarno's book, and should reread them, but Steve O's book sounds pretty good from many posts here. |
| andy64tms |
Posted - 11/23/2012 : 13:48:38
Hi km118,
I would not get a personal trainer, it’s too soon in your recovery and they might complicate things, I would focus on passive exercise, with mental affirmations. For the present I would go with what Ace1 is suggesting, especially his #10 affirmation regarding exercise, and becoming used to pain. The exercise should not be a burden you should enjoy it while being soft and kind to yourself, (example below).
I would also take SteveO up on his offer of help, as well as getting his book.
I first read Ace1’s post about affirmations in October, and I had picked up on his theme of slowing down. At this time I was removing a tree stump in my back yard. I hate yard work, and am usually very tense, hot and sticky and always uncomfortable. Under normal circumstances I would have become Mr. Macho and aggressively attack it with an axe, hacking away grunting and panting.
As I am now retired with no time restraints, instead I tickled the stump with the axe as if it were a feather. As I nibbled away and small pieces fell off, my sole purpose was to be kind and gentle to myself. I repeatedly had to tell myself to slow down; it was difficult as my instinct was to swing as hard as possible. I finished off the last bits with a 3 ft crow bar, saving my energy even more. I felt very relaxed and satisfied, I disregarded the excessive time that this took to complete.
The whole task was an exercise in kindness, a change in the way I think, it was non-combative and I actually enjoyed it more than usual.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 11/23/2012 : 08:08:22
Forget I'm strong and healthy. Use I'm calm relaxed patient and confident and I take my time, forgive, and let go easily. Be also aware of being impatient and try not to project yourself into the future or to just get things done. Get the book mind power into the 21st century when you get a chance |
| km118 |
Posted - 11/22/2012 : 18:55:19
Thank you Ace, I'm glad to know I'm not approaching my affirmations correctly. What if I went with a "I'm strong and healthy" or a "I'm confident and secure in myself, I forgive easily, I let go of the past". I feel as though these may be a more positive take on affirmations. Thanks so much for your help. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 11/22/2012 : 17:50:00
Km, nothing is wrong with my back is not a good affirmation. It has the negative of the negative as discussed above. It also seems that your affirmations are not directed toward relaxation. Use the ones in my keys to recovery. Try those and give them time to work. |
| km118 |
Posted - 11/22/2012 : 17:33:18
Thank you all so much for your input I really do appreciate it! Ace: I always affirm myself during a workout by saying "Nothing is wrong with you. You are strong and healthy." Or I will to my subconscious "work with me, you don't have to protect me from my emotions any more, I can handle them", etc. For me, affirmations haven't worked to bring down pain in the moment, yet at least. Perhaps I am not saying the right things to y subconscious, or I just don't have positive reactions to affirmations?
Also, if anyone could provide me with advice. Would getting a personal trainer set me on a positive path, or is it too soon, seeing as how I haven't yet learned how to bring down my pain in the moment. Any advice on how to do this would be awesome also! I've been trying many different strategies and nothing has clicked yet.
Thank you all so much for your advice I would be so confused without you all! |
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