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| Sarah Jacoba |
Posted - 02/16/2005 : 22:35:49
I dont have MCS, but someone I know does, and I was telling her about this site. I doubt that she's looked us up here yet, as she's on medication and obviously treats her problem as a real physical issue of dire threat to her. However, I was just wondering if some of you have a sense that it is a TMS equivalent. If you post some interesting stuff I could pass it on to her.
I find the more I deal w/ TMS / psychogenic problems the more I feel like a common thread in many of them is an oversensitivity, the kind of thing 1800s folks called "bad nerves". It seems a more global definition than just oxygen deprivation type symptoms.
Just as I've been oversensitized in the past to loud noise, and continue to be VERY sensitive to fabrics and types of clothing (even though my other fibromyalgic symptoms have taken a big retreat), so it seems the body could get oversensitivzed to chemicals/scents etc without those really being of physical threat.
Actually if anyone has struggled w/ the sensitivity to clothing thing, let me know. It's a big pain for me!
--Sarah
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| AmyAJJ |
Posted - 05/04/2008 : 06:30:41
I think my MCS was brought on by a chemical exposure as a TMS convenience. I was working in a new building and my TMS had already been triggered before I moved into that building. Then when I got to the building and there was all this NEW contruction and furniture, the mind took advantage and hid as distracting symptoms there too.
For me most of my TMS has to do with SAFETY. If I don't feel safe, and secure, my mindbody creates things to cripple my body so that I don't interact with the world as much. So that I stay in bed where it's "safe" from all the terrible **** that happens out in the world.
I don't struggle with MCS anymore. I can walk down the laundry aisle of a grocery store. I can be in someone's house with a scented candle. I can work out near someone with cologne in the gym. These things are not issues that have me freaking out anymore. It has to do with safety for me which was a core childhood issue for me also. As I healed my childhood fears of not being safe and started finding safety in my everyday life as an adult, my symptoms of MCS disappeared. |
| Dave |
Posted - 05/03/2008 : 10:36:07
I always know when Chinese food has MSG because the back of my neck tingles and feels warm.
There is no doubt that our bodies are sensitive to certain chemicals. Our immune systems are not perfect.
Nevertheless I believe TMS can sieze these opportunities as well, to turn what might be a fairly innocuous overreaction by our immune system into a bigger one, triggering more symptoms. IMO anything that is controlled by the unconscious mind is fair game for the gremlin. |
| la_kevin |
Posted - 05/02/2008 : 21:48:40
I'm sensitive to MSG and Aspartame(BY the way, they are KNOWN neurotoxins and banned in some states).
I also respond negatively to laundry soaps and fabric softeners. If I wear clothes with too much soap residue on them, my skin 'stings' like I have little ants biting me.
This is NOT TMS in my case. I switched laundry detergents to a completely natural soap, and I have no problems with it anymore.
People have chemical sensitivities, why would that be so outlandish to believe. They're chemicals. And they usually contain things not found in the human body, so they are in fact 'foreign'.
I'd like to see someone drink 4 tablespoons of MSG or Aspartame straight, no chaser, and come back to this board and tell us it's "TMS" when they end up face down going into a coma or convulsing in a seizure.
Please do this test if you feel so strongly it's TMS. Let us know how it works out for ya.
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"Over thinking...over analyzing...separates the body from the mind." Maynard from the band TOOL |
| kenny V |
Posted - 05/02/2008 : 09:18:56
Big Thanks Dave 
For allowing past / present posts in lieu of these sensitive yet controversial topics.
There are allot of sick people seeking medical help and treatment that are not getting better and cant figure out why. And most mainstream docs have not a clue how to help. Most only further complicate their condition and keep people in a cycle of life long chronic illness.
Thanks again for allowing… so those who want to possibly research further/ make connections to their current health status and get better. Most of all protect themselves and loved ones for any further complications.
Its ashamed our health care system has failed us and broke the first rule to practicing medicine
“ First do no harm”
Today the only way to get better is to take it upon ourselves, learn of our conditions and make applications accordingly.
Again thanks, ill leave it at that and end with two TMS quotes by our great Dr Sarno
As always you’re a heck of a great Guy Dave sacrificing allot of your time to help others 
Say hello to tennis Tom for me tell em I stopped by
My best to all
Kenny V
Dr Sarno's Quote
quote:
One theory of how TMS works tells us that it is a defensive reaction of the mind to prevent expression of repressed rage and anxiety and that the pain is created when blood flow to the tissues is restricted by the autonomic nervous system.
Last Quote by Dr Sarno
quote:
"The most important factor in recovery is that the person must be made aware of
what is going on...information...is the 'penicillin' for this disorder."
Always Hope For Recovery
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| Dave |
Posted - 05/02/2008 : 08:29:25
Kenny, I understand this is a personal crusade of yours and that you are very fervent in your beliefs, but this is off-topic for this forum. Please refrain from multiple posts on this issue. Thank you. |
| kenny V |
Posted - 05/02/2008 : 06:17:06
For anyone interested-FYI latest news
Thanks
Always hope for recovery
Kenny V
NVIC Vaccine E-Newsletter
April 30, 2008
Tracking & Forcing Vaccines: Parents Want
Choices by Barbara Loe Fisher
This week, CDC researchers sent out a warning that one in four child under age three in America is " not in compliance (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001cjd0VZ8vcwmIAED0FzkCtzA6wKJIxN-yiYwvETd88GKXdjQLgrW5OmcEY9TuFwo5OimWOsZVeFHjf47JAOFmdcPsVsB3dzV867uiaIJt6SRv60P158ExndJmyFB8A8gYCMgnJEgW13KeV3VZ88HtLxKACuH-Y1SZSfj_d_JC8V4heczrW4LryFJ3f0FYi1ZebY3Q-B1uuOp3-biqeR6uyGOGHkF3dVk5v1_y8A4xG7Hx-atYg8VKhg==)" with the CDC
vaccine "recommendations" and that "missed doses" or "mistimed" doses is the cause. Some are calling
for more vaccine tracking registries (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001cjd0VZ8vcwl6nS7uPiocbjqXwGhC330oesj6IoyElr1_1aFUeVP-wX4S_JpTd6hhMTV4jd5dUKf1dQpkSaZ2Ze0DljKPqstuvHuHQ9Jv3dRrDENYyR1oecZYLUl6ACoLPLY4sRjziWZd1epVDbUhg251E-PvUDfvZR0qLvdsKHla0tRkO7fC8A==) that will track children
and their parents down to make sure every single one of the 48 doses of 14 vaccines that the CDC says kids
must get has been given to every single child. The Los Angeles Times points the finger at "anti-vaccine
parents" and urges the California legislature to put an end to the "personal belief"exemption (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001cjd0VZ8vcwkxG1X4wVjREEATd-xhp87rfWqZD-YO6kidv_d7EtYUdUDoMoW2nlGds5ovI0Hmya27I4OV9_LCnpSv3JEEaGry5TGWZQePbepMXItDB-kFzQwUrwxIosGKWYxtWDoU3e_ohMq4afHDtiUz6UwXekx7TFnvvoxWQfjz3OFUt5d5k2UdEVS3BHnX-E2ZRCTUhJk=) so only doctors
adhering to very narrow CDC guidelines for what constitutes a vaccine exemption are allowed to
exempt children from vaccination.
The U.S. uses more vaccines than any other country in the world and has one of the highest
vaccination rates in the world for young children: 70 to 80 percent of pre-schoolers have been injected with
26 doses of 10 vaccines. That high vaccination rate (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001cjd0VZ8vcwkOp4M9S7YZHWyq1NrjN1-dUpuGVaqG9aUORihSPgL4w6z0-sP_4hLBUFhIu59nxw7_KXIk7bDdOOqdu-Y6gbTpl8TJTWkVbvgiTSjzUXXWiLMDRf1ywpYmdPgfMPPQaf7gQ0mPs9ZX8ECLjWkO_Qda)rises with
age to 95 percent or more for six year old children entering kindergarten.
The CDC report lamenting that public health officials have been calculating the vaccine uptake among young children incorrectly comes at a time when the rate of infectious disease is way down but
the rate of chronic disease and disability among highly vaccinated children is increasing: 1 in 6 child is
learning disabled; 1 in 9 is asthmatic; 1 in 150 develops autism; 1 in 450 has diabetes.
Today, a Gallup poll (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001cjd0VZ8vcwlGe7Tc1_jlwo0gSa_3zuBLjxzPLtiHEbGIe0vpu6aZXHVW2lBxrdYYsrikeQwuTYz5Tr2Fkkj5eCJKA7OPV3-LKCGTFX-BoR8AdXeK-OK98-dJE4yPz1dx1ONHrllJ3vB0XXK9asV43vdUCNK_CDsfFa_DJDlNOpKTKnn4Z4t5cVqknsIuflSNTwYw1HFxFIYP8TUjBGwlZs91ioeY16kUkK87nPwb5W5AgjaBGr0-JA==)
reveals that half of all Americans report they are "stuck in a cycle of chronic disease" with two thirds of U.S. workers reporting one or more chronic diseases or recurring conditions. Some want to point to "stress" and "overweight" and "smoking" as the cause for the catastrophic high rate of chronic illness among Americans of all ages. (sound familiar ) 
But the public health officials and medical doctors of this country have a lot to answer for and the question everyone should be asking is: Why is the most highly vaccinated population in the world so sick?
Educated health consumers, including informed parents, are taking matters into their own hands. They are choosing healthy lifestyles and wise health care alternatives that do not rely on constant pharmaceutical product use, including using too many vaccines.
Learn more about vaccines, diseases and how to protect your informed consent rights www.nvic.org
(http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001cjd0VZ8vcwk8Brm5c084nl6szQ6omyy_jFIGfO-fWuaJtJOlyh_3wZ-MzfpMlrheEqRz4DU17ELPpzFLYyhA9XaqXwKdua9-Exs1c9VrOQ8=)
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| JohnD |
Posted - 04/29/2008 : 09:35:45
Yes a large percentage of the population is using deoderant with aluminumn and the population as a whole is not very healthy.... but there are too many other factors to consider to draw conclusions |
| kenny V |
Posted - 04/28/2008 : 20:23:40
I just want to be heard once and leave it there, let the reader do his/ her own research if they are really interested to get to the bottom of this. That is “WHY are we such a sick society. What causes disease, cancer, auto-immune, dysfunction, Chron’s, leaky gut, chemical sensitivities, allergies, bipolar, Alzheimer’s etc how bout asthma, AUTISM, ADD ADHD, learning disabilities … and what can cause a MAJOR EPIDEMIC AT THISLEVEL never seen before in the HISORY of mankind.
Science can and will be heard / disclosed the public. We have much well documented evidence from some brilliant people that show the trends in this unsolved epidemic. Do some research on Aids, polio, gulf war syndrome; anthrax (among the us soldiers), the bird flue epidemic; to name a few and you can discern for your self a common denominator in all of these epidemics. Actually once you lean this you will also learn how to treat your self and become a healthy person and avoid sickness.
A good place to start
http://www.nvic.org/
Fact:
Btw 1in every 6 children will be born in the US with either a medical condition or a learning disability
May I ask what is this from with our great so-called advances in science and state of the art medical systems?
Do some vaccine research over the years from vaccine data bases found within all countries, NOT just the USA follow the trends and LEARN from history what they puled and discontinued and mostly WHY?. Read the VAERS reports http://www.nvic.org/Issues/VAERS.htm
Some news
http://www.vaccinationnews.com/
http://www.wnho.net/vaccinationnews.htm
http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html
and make the connections for your self. Bottom line is ……
Vaccines do cause adverse reactions. Today it can’t denied they admit many of them. Read what is written even in the vaccines own disclosures/ studies. However Don’t just read that the GOV the FDA, CDC or some other organization Bc they said theirs no connection with Autism BECAUSE THAT IS THE FATHERST FROM THE TRUTH.
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/
An averse reaction is an averse reaction, and that does mean can contribute or causes. If the FDA and the CDC would only listen to the parents in what they see is an ADVERSE REACTION they would have to consider what their doing by playing a blind eye. However if it’s a cover-up and the Big Phama as well as major vaccine are involved you will have a mass panic and the public would loose trust
Think about two things. First the only way to have a mass epidemic at this level is through a vaccine campaign.
Remember a vaccine can reach the body’s immune system more effectively than any other form of administration it can even effect cells and be at cellular level in seconds. This is the fastest way to create a mass epidemic with any form of disease known to mankind.
Now let me say one more thing. If you read all the litititure listen to both sides of the debates you may not believe However if you have spoke to hundreds of people that the same thing happened to their kid you may believe. Better yet if you saw this happen to your own child, a beautiful developing baby disappears before your eyes. Talking playing singing reciting A, B, C, s than bang…. All gone looses language, eye intact an ability to socialize from just one damaging jab. If you don’t think this is real then perhaps you don’t know he reality of what happens everyday with our kids. I have spoken to many that this happened with .I have looked in the eyes of parents that knew the day they lost their kids. If you don’t believe I feel sorry to anyone who doesn’t believe and it happens to them or a loved one. Bottom line educate before you vaccinate.
http://thinktwice.com/
Myths and Timelines
http://www.nvic.org/myths.htm
http://www.rense.com/general62/inno.htm
http://www.whale.to/v/phillips.html#VACCINATION
http://www.relfe.com/vaccine.html
Adverse reactions are real
As always my best
Kenny v
Ps
Finally, to all those who are going to post comments about the autism rates in California not coming down, following the removal of thimerosal from most vaccines: You are right. The most likely explanation is that thimerosal was not responsible for the autism epidemic. But that does not mean that it never harmed a single child.
And keep in mind that, of the record 1000+ additional autism cases recorded in California last quarter, some 75% of them were children who were six years of age or older, and thus born well within the "thimerosal generation."
There is evidence that many factors could conceivably be keeping the California numbers higher than the national average, including aggressive early intervention and outreach to low-income families, increased immigration from countries that still use thimerosal (and immigrant children who are routinely re-immunized upon arrival) and migration of families from less progressive U.S. states eager for California's relative public largesse.
And remember that the CDC, wisely, does not conduct autism prevalence studies on children until they reach the age of 8, to account for any late stragglers entering the database. If thimerosal did not come out of vaccines entirely until 2003, then it won't be until 2011 before kids in that birth cohort are studied by the CDC, so vindicating thimerosal entirely might still be a tad premature.
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| Irirangi |
Posted - 04/27/2008 : 16:51:59
Hi Littlebird
Thanks so much for your reply, its is very encouraging to hear about you and your friend. I get a burning chest and wheezing, sore ears and throat and sneezing, sometimes dizzy too.
I have felt a lot of anxiety about being able to live in my home - nervous about keeping exposing myself to the allergen and hence the allergy jumping to include more chenicals. I left to housesit and get a break, only to find a house 4m away was being painted. I returned home with renewed determination and very happy to be back.
I have been reading The Divided Mind and find it really helpful, not sure if I've lessened my symptoms yet but I have lessened my anxiety and can see good reasons for why I would be repressing feelings. I think persistence is my key now.
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| armchairlinguist |
Posted - 04/24/2008 : 17:31:44
MSG is sort of a weird one. It's not clear that the effects people experience are always from it.
http://www.chowhound.com/topics/415757
This thread references a few others that in turn reference papers/studies.
http://www.chowhound.com/topics/412802
But there definitely are a few people on that thread who do seem to have severe reactions to all foods containing added MSG, so...
Very unclear.
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It's not 100% belief that's required, but 100% commitment. |
| Littlebird |
Posted - 04/24/2008 : 13:33:01
drziggles,
Thanks for giving your opinion about MSG. It's something I've wondered about too, since it always triggers a migraine if I eat more than a small amount of food that has it. It can be a little confusing to try to separate the "real" from the TMS when some sensitivities disappear but others remain. So it was helpful to read your thoughts on it. |
| drziggles |
Posted - 04/24/2008 : 12:53:22
Some people are oversensitive to MSG (which is chemically similar to the neurotransmitter glutamate), and it is a well-known trigger for migraines, the so-called "Chinese food headache"...
I think this is unrelated to "multiple chemical sensitivity", which is probably TMS, as others have mentioned. |
| 2scoops |
Posted - 04/24/2008 : 06:49:52
"As for aluminimum, much of the population spreads it on their armpits every single day."
Yep, that's why I use natural products, and stopped the doedrant I used to wear. Plus, our water is contaminated with our the pharmacueticals that people take. 
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| EileenTM |
Posted - 04/23/2008 : 16:10:02
I am glad someone revived this topic because I have been thinking about it. Using Sarno's techniques I have rid myself of all my symptoms. Except for one. I tend to react to foods with msg. I am in my 50s and I now realize this has been going on for years. I just never gave it much thought. Whenever I went out for lunch I felt bad during the afternoon. Foggy brain, unable to concentrate, buzzy, etc. I just thought I was tired or ate too much. I never made the connection until a couple of years ago. I just have stopped eating processed foods. Not a conscious decision, but it just sort of happened. And all those symptoms went away. Now however if I eat out and run into something with msg, all those symptoms come back, Sometimes it is really bad, with racing heart and buzzing brain so bad I cannot sleep. Takes about a day to work out of my system and then I am fine. I do have an enzyme deficiency where I am a poor metabolizer so small doses of things affect me more and stay in my system longer. I don't panic when it happens, just wait it out. But it is very uncomfortable. Any thoughts that this could be TMS? Or does anyone else have problems with msg? |
| Dave |
Posted - 04/23/2008 : 15:35:45
I have to agree that this has gone way off-topic.
I would not doubt that MCS = TMS in many people, and attributing symptoms to chemical poisining is akin to attributing pain to structural problems.
As for aluminimum, much of the population spreads it on their armpits every single day.
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| 2scoops |
Posted - 04/23/2008 : 14:43:44
Dr Ziggles,
It's not that everyone is against vaccines, it's the TOXINS in the vaccines like thimerosal and the aluminum. I think people want them cleaned up. |
| drziggles |
Posted - 04/23/2008 : 11:24:54
Dave, can we have a moratorium on anti-vaccination paranoia on this site? How much more data do people want before ditching the nonexisting link between vaccines and autism, etc.? No study has shown an epidemiological connection between the two. California eliminated thiomersal from its vaccines and the autism rate did not go down!
Kids die from easily preventible infectious diseases because nutjobs insist on not vaccinating their kids for specious reasons. If that only affected their children, that would be bad enough; unfortunately, ANY unvaccinated children increase the risk of ALL children developing these diseases, even if they have been vaccinated. Believe me, the drug companies do not make much money from vaccines compared with other drugs, which is why they do so little research on other types of vaccines (malaria, etc.), so I would not pin this stuff on them either...
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| Scottydog |
Posted - 04/23/2008 : 00:20:34
Some of you who are discussing hypersensitivity might find this doctor's theory interesting.
IMO it fits with Dr Sarno's ideas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CuGPRF3zXg |
| Littlebird |
Posted - 04/22/2008 : 20:55:34
Irirangi, when you say you have allergy symptoms from paint, what kind of symptoms are you referring to?
I have had almost none of the multiple chemical sensitivity problems that I used to experience since I learned about TMS and read The Divided Mind. (There are a few colognes that still trigger migraines for me.) I have a friend who had much worse reactions than I did, to every imaginable chemical, to the point where she couldn't live in her house anymore and couldn't find another location where she was not overwhelmed by her sensitivity to the chemicals. When I told her about Dr. Sarno and lent her the book "Freedom From Fibromyalgia," (because she also had lots of fibro type symptoms in addition to her MCS symptoms) she immediately began to see improvement in the chemical sensitivity.
I haven't been in touch with her for a few months to see how she's doing lately, but when I last spoke with her she'd gone from not being able to stay in her house to being able to live there again without the reactions. So it could be possible that what seems like an allergy to paint might be TMS instead.
Hope things get better for you soon.
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| Irirangi |
Posted - 04/22/2008 : 00:21:30
Hi. I got better from RSI by using TMS and am now trying to deal with an allergy to the paint on my house through TMS. I have had my allergy symptoms recede once early on but haven't had any success lately. Would love to hear from anyone who has had success dealing with chemical allergies. |
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