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| lara |
Posted - 03/09/2012 : 17:12:30
Ok has anyone here ever expirienced panic/anxiety attacks when pain is not present? for the last 3 days ,the painhas remained in scale level,very bad,but when it dissapears for a couple of minutes and today is been gone for two hours then i get this anxiety/panic attack,it is so weird,why do i get this attacks when i should be happy that the pain is not present?
I have been doing the wikipedia approach religiously ,and thinking pshycologically,but this panic attacks are really scarring too!
oh and a lot of dizzines too ,before the anxiete/panic shows up.
Lara |
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| Wavy Soul |
Posted - 03/22/2012 : 20:00:06
Yeah, my cat is definitely a "BADIST!"
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 03/22/2012 : 17:45:11
quote:
Originally posted by Joy_I_Am
T Tom, you're really living the theory, sir... you knew it would hurt your hip to hump Art's leg, but you pushed on through and did it anyway! I hope you found some relief...
Thank you Joy and Bugbear, yes, whatever works, just do it! |
| Joy_I_Am |
Posted - 03/22/2012 : 16:54:25
And Bugbear, I think you've hit on something there - if we could just live as mindfully as animals, we'd be just fine...
Wavy, I am indeed a Brit! I lived in Canada for a while though, and had to unlearn 'biscuit', and then had to unlearn 'cookie' when I came back... but I love the word 'pudding', both as a concept, and as a term of endearment...
Lara, hope you're feeling better today, Pudding!
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| Joy_I_Am |
Posted - 03/22/2012 : 16:50:48
T Tom, you're really living the theory, sir... you knew it would hurt your hip to hump Art's leg, but you pushed on through and did it anyway! I hope you found some relief...
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| Bugbear |
Posted - 03/22/2012 : 13:22:10
Art, Tom, you guys make me laugh. Tom, your sarcastic wit always brightens up my day. Thank you!
Yes, animals really do know what their needs are and just go all out to satisfy them. Never mind us suffering humans.
Lara, so glad to hear you are making progress. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 03/22/2012 : 11:37:10
quote:
Originally posted by art
...Tommy humping one leg,
Let me make this clear, that was his dog (I hope) and not me. |
| art |
Posted - 03/22/2012 : 08:00:28
quote:
Originally posted by Wavy Soul
aha - a BISCUIT! My cat only accepts COOKIES! Dead giveaway that you're English. Now I'm a Brit ex-pat, 40+ years in USA (and Latin America) and I now say "cookies." But for what they call "dessert" over here, I still say "pudding," which my Yankee friends find very confusing.
This made me giggle, Joy I Am, and totally washed away any hidden anxiety.
Does anyone notice that their animals seem to take on their TMS?
Love is the answer, whatever the question
My animals could care less. I came in recently after going 12 rounds with my periodontist. My head was pounding, my mouth bloody and packed with gauze, and the novocaine was fast wearing off, but the critters could have cared less...Tommy humping one leg, Theo the other, and Jack whining for his customary after lunch treat. Business as usual :-) |
| lara |
Posted - 03/21/2012 : 09:39:55
quote:
Originally posted by Joy_I_Am
Actually, Lara, why not tell your dogs?! I don't mean that to be facetious - animals can be a great comfort, just from their unconditional love for us. Might it help just to chat to them for a while, as if they are a sympathetic listener who won't judge you? (Because they are!)
Many a time I've felt better for having a little cry into the neck of a horse, or the soft fur on the back of a cat's head.
You might want to give them a biscuit and a hug after!
Joy
Actually since my pain started my dog,the male one started to act different,he misbehaves and sometimes he seems to be depressed ,i noticed he gained weight at the begginig (we used to walk together all the time for more than one hour everydady),now we are back in track,but always wants to run away,maybe from me? who knows,but he always comes back.I will talk to him ,that is such a wonderful idea!
Lara
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| Wavy Soul |
Posted - 03/21/2012 : 09:11:30
aha - a BISCUIT! My cat only accepts COOKIES! Dead giveaway that you're English. Now I'm a Brit ex-pat, 40+ years in USA (and Latin America) and I now say "cookies." But for what they call "dessert" over here, I still say "pudding," which my Yankee friends find very confusing.
This made me giggle, Joy I Am, and totally washed away any hidden anxiety.
Does anyone notice that their animals seem to take on their TMS?
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
| Joy_I_Am |
Posted - 03/21/2012 : 08:06:53
Actually, Lara, why not tell your dogs?! I don't mean that to be facetious - animals can be a great comfort, just from their unconditional love for us. Might it help just to chat to them for a while, as if they are a sympathetic listener who won't judge you? (Because they are!)
Many a time I've felt better for having a little cry into the neck of a horse, or the soft fur on the back of a cat's head.
You might want to give them a biscuit and a hug after!
Joy |
| bryan3000 |
Posted - 03/21/2012 : 00:32:23
Lara,
Our feelings aren't always rational. In fact, if you can find a way to express them without hurting anyone, you might find that much of what you're angry about is coming from inside you, not outside sources. At least that's my experience.
Personally, I'd try to express those feelings on my own or in therapy first.
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| lara |
Posted - 03/20/2012 : 17:06:43
What would you do,if you are having a lot of progress and suddenly
something stressful happens?and don't have time to do your TMS work?
Today has been very stressful ,my daughter got involved in a little car
accident,we've been the whole day at the local ER ,then got home ,me and my husband went to walk the dogs and out of nowhere they ran away,we were looking for them for 2 hours in the woods,found one but the other one wasn't with him,i started feeling so angry ,upset and sad,plus the scary event in the morning ,finally someone found her and brought it to our house,i really love my family but they sometimes make me feel like i want to get out of here,is it normal? do i tell them (except the dogs of course)how i feel?or i keep it to myself and just ventilate it here and on the journaling?
Thanks for reading .
Lara |
| bryan3000 |
Posted - 03/19/2012 : 23:21:53
Hi Hillbilly,
I sent a mail through the site before but I don't see that option now.
If you want to send me a touch base email I can write you my question again.
My mail is thenukes at yahoo dot com.
Thanks much. |
| Hillbilly |
Posted - 03/18/2012 : 09:30:30
Bryan,
I received no message. Resend if you wish.
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Aided and abetted by corrupt analysts, patients who have nothing better to do with their lives often use the psychoanalytic situation to transform insignificant childhood hurts into private shrines at which they worship unceasingly the enormity of the offenses committed against them. This solution is immensely flattering to the patients—as are all forms of unmerited self-aggrandizement; it is immensely profitable for the analysts—as are all forms pandering to people's vanity; and it is often immensely unpleasant for nearly everyone else in the patient's life.
Dr. Thomas Szasz |
| bryan3000 |
Posted - 03/18/2012 : 00:18:39
Off topic, Hillbilly... Sent you an email. B.
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| hkp |
Posted - 03/17/2012 : 13:30:05
Hi Lara:
I thought it might help to hear from another woman, who like Carolyn, was able to deal with pelvic pain/dysfunction issues using TMS principles.
Four years ago, it hijacked my life for about 4-5 months - today it's 90% gone with occasional flareups that I can deal with by remembering what I learned. I’ve also had success using TMS principles to heal other conditions (the symptom imperative at work!).
If I were you, I would not get too hung up on the diagnosis or test results. I’m not a doctor, and this is only one person’s opinion, but this “congestion” sounds suspiciously like yet another garbage-can diagnosis, trying to make sense of the inexplicable.
I also remember my doctor telling me all kinds of scary things about potential surgeries. These scary messages heighten your fear and doubt, and prime you to feel even more pain!
My experience tells me that the folks who responded to you have it right: Think about all the ways tension from TMS can affect your body, including creating physical pain. Note when the pain is NOT there. Ask yourselves questions about why that is. Consider that the pain is trying to distract and protect you from feelings and emotions.
I think it is great you're reading Abigail Steidly - she really gets these issues.
Some other helpful things for me (everyone is different) were Dr Schubiner’s on-line lectures, and the way he incorporates mindfulness and meditation into his program. My health insurance carrier had group mindfulness classes, and they made a huge difference for me.
http://www.unlearnyourpain.com/index.php?MBS%2FTMS%20Lecture
All the best of luck, and don’t give up! You can really, really beat this.
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| art |
Posted - 03/17/2012 : 12:17:06
I've not read this thread all the way through, but to expand on something hillbilly said, it's rare that someone finds their way here accidentally. Or at least having done so, hangs around long enough to participate.. Let's face it, it's a small, out of the way corner of the Internet that most people would instantly conclude is populated by a bunch of lunatics. "'All in my head' you say? Are you crazy? I have *real* problems. Real pain. What an utter waste of time!'
I'm not even sure any longer how long I've been hanging out here. 7 years maybe? After all that time I think I can safely say that the odds are quite high that anyone finding this place, and taking it seriously enough to ask questions and post comments strongly intuits on some level that there's something here for them.
Bottom line, if you're here you're very likely in exactly the right place. I've had some absolutely amazing experiences with TMS...symptoms one wouldn't think could possibly be psychosomatic, including a sore throat of 6 months duration. It went away the very day a doctor finally took a look and pronounced my throat to be in perfect health.
And precisely why did it go away? Because the fear went away. The relationship between fear and TMs becomes clearer to me all the time.
If you're new or struggling and can't figure out why you're not getting better ask yourself if you're still living in fear? Chances are quite good the answer will be "yes."
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| lara |
Posted - 03/17/2012 : 11:06:13
quote:
Originally posted by tennis tom
Hi Lara,
Sorry about your pain, while I don't have a couple of your body parts, I do have a perineum and a rectum, so do feel somewhat qualified to respond. I'm quoting Dr. Peter Zafirides, a TMS psychiatrist's, response to Erika. If your pain is due to TMS, it applies as well to you, g'luck:
"Erika,
While I cannot provide specific medical advice, I do hope you have been to your doctor and they have ruled out any medical problem that can cause the pain. In TMS, most people will see relief from pain by reading the books, listening to the CD lectures or seeing a TMS clinician.
When people continue to suffer with pain despite of all of this TMS work, talk therapy may be needed. The emotions that cause the physical pain to occur (as a protective distraction, a survival-based mechanism) are felt by the mind to be terrifying. They tend to be in the unconscious mind. For most, reading and some reflection brings relief, but some people may need to see a therapist in order to unlock those emotions.
I hope that information is helpful.
DON"T GIVE UP HOPE!!! You are way too strong!! Look at all you have accomplished DESPITE the pain. THAT is your true strength.
You are so much more powerful than you realize.
Kindly,
Peter Zafirides"
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
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TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html
Tennis Tom,
Thank you,i am actually reading "Hear you soul,Heal yourself" by Abigail Steidley =)
It is easier for me this reading than the wikipedia ,i don't know why tough.
But pain has decreased now,so i am more focused in TMS,and more relaxed .I just hope that one day i will be pain free ,and post my succes story here.
Take care.
Lara |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 03/17/2012 : 10:10:49
Hi Lara,
Sorry about your pain, while I don't have a couple of your body parts, I do have a perineum and a rectum, so do feel somewhat qualified to respond. I'm quoting Dr. Peter Zafirides, a TMS psychiatrist's, response to Erika. If your pain is due to TMS, it applies as well to you, g'luck:
"Erika,
While I cannot provide specific medical advice, I do hope you have been to your doctor and they have ruled out any medical problem that can cause the pain. In TMS, most people will see relief from pain by reading the books, listening to the CD lectures or seeing a TMS clinician.
When people continue to suffer with pain despite of all of this TMS work, talk therapy may be needed. The emotions that cause the physical pain to occur (as a protective distraction, a survival-based mechanism) are felt by the mind to be terrifying. They tend to be in the unconscious mind. For most, reading and some reflection brings relief, but some people may need to see a therapist in order to unlock those emotions.
I hope that information is helpful.
DON"T GIVE UP HOPE!!! You are way too strong!! Look at all you have accomplished DESPITE the pain. THAT is your true strength.
You are so much more powerful than you realize.
Kindly,
Peter Zafirides"
==================================================
DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
==================================================
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
======================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
| lara |
Posted - 03/16/2012 : 09:57:33
quote:
Originally posted by Dave
quote:
Originally posted by lara
I guess my only option now is save the money for the TMS dr,since working tms by myself only makes me extremely depressed and lot of pain,wich becomes a cycle,pain=amxiety=more pain.
Frankly, this is a cop out.
You do not need a diagnosis from a doctor to successfully treat TMS. He will not tell you anything you cannot read in Dr. Sarno's books.
The cycle you are observing is correct, but only you have the power to break it. You have to be ready to accept it and take away its power over you. It seems you are not quite there yet.
Dave,
I tought a TMS practioner not only can diagnose me but also help me with treatment since i can't do it alone.
I don't like how men give me opinions about this issue here ,since it's not their clits,vagina,perinium or rectum the one that's hurting.
And please don't take this as a rude manner,it's just that i am very sensitive and (i mean very very emotional) i feel that a man without this kind of pain could easily tell me that "i am not there yet" because a back pain is a walk in the park compared to pelvic pain.,(i have had very bad back pain before ).
Please guys talk to me like you would to your wives,mothers,sisters,girlfriends etc
" i repeat i am very sensitive .
Lara |
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