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| ABrooks |
Posted - 08/17/2011 : 22:27:38
I recently posted how great I've been doing (70% better) and have mostly been referring to my pain in my lower extremeties, however, I've had an increase in anxiety since my physical symptoms have been improving, which I've read can happen when TMS physical symptoms improve. For weeks now I've had difficulty falling asleep at night or staying asleep and in the past week have resorted to taking a Xanax either before bed or when I wake up at my usual 3am. HOWEVER, tonight I took a Xanax AND a muscle relaxer (which I don't take at all anymore) because my usual "tightness in throat" was worse than usual and after a 1/2 hour of trying to sleep I'm having complete opposite effects - this is possibly the worst anxiety I've ever had - I'm so jittery and on edge that I feel like I can stand being in my own body anymore. Although I'm tired, everytime I start to fall asleep I awake in panic. I'm doing a little better as I'm typing but as soon as I stop and am "silent" within myself it starts up again. I try telling myself it's OK, I know this is TMS and if I don't sleep no big deal, I'll just call out of work but NOTHING is working. I even tried various relaxation techniques and followed therapists instructions about be careful about what I read or watch before bed, etc.
I'm afraid this is some horrible manifestation of TMS that won't go away. Like my mind is totally reliant on the pain as a distraction and it's gotta be one or the other. I feel like I've lost control over my mind - this happened to me back in March for a month before I learned of TMS and at the time I had severe daily panic attacks and really bad OCD. I somehow got through it and stopped taking XANAX daily and had been OK for about 3 months until I discovered TMS was source of my pain and eversince my pain has improved the anxiety has been getting worse.
Can anyone offer any advice? I'm willing to do anything! At this rate I'm even willing to consider traveling a couple hours/week from RI to see a good TMS psychotherapist. |
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| Mayita |
Posted - 09/11/2011 : 10:35:34
Balto,
That was an excelent response you gave about not fearing the symptons.
I found it a great contribution, honestly!
JJH, keep the possitive attitude, that is your best asset!! |
| bryan3000 |
Posted - 09/10/2011 : 12:07:09
Hi Abrooks,
First off, I'm sorry for your problems... and I can relate.
I'd recommend a few things...
1. Buy Hope and Help for your Nerves by Dr. Claire Weeks. You can also download her audio book "Pass Through Panic." I listen to her book almost daily, at times. It's been a massive help to me. I still suffer from panic/anxiety, but her books and audio (along with other sources) have helped me to at least be able to function and enjoy more of life.
2. Find a therapist, immediately. CBT would be good... and of course, finding a TMS therapist eventually would be worth your while. Something does appear to be going on.
3. Find some way to exercise, be it walking, whatever. You've got to take some control back from your symptoms. I find that even just walking puts me back in control of my body for a while. It's an important confidence boost and of course, has chemical benefits as well.
Beyond that, if you read my sig... you'll know why I say to be very careful with Xanax. Please do not take this on a daily basis. I'm not an anti-benzo preacher, despite the hell I went through. I think they have their place. But, the last thing you need is to become dependent, and then have to deal with true WD symptoms.
Try to slow all of this down and make it smaller. Take it day by day, and moment by moment. You can get through all of this, and it will get better.
-1/2010 - Developed chronic sinus problems. ENTs/Docs can't find anything
-5/29/2010 - Doc gives cocktail of allergy meds which induces first ever panic attack/anxiety.
-7/16/2010 - Anxiety stays/worsens - put on Xanax
2/1/2011 - Began Xanax taper - Withdrawal starts - full body chaos
-6/11/2011 - Last dose of Xanax. Physical/emotional chaos continues for several months.
-Now: Taking it day by day, looking for real answers and ways to heal myself without medical poison. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 09/10/2011 : 07:58:43
quote:
Originally posted by Suzanne
quote:
Originally posted by tennis tom
...No one forces anyone to continue reading a thread when it is obvious it's getting unpleasant,[/i] but I guess it's like a car wreck and it's hard not to peak.
...If people get turned-off by the very rare expression of an emotion here, my advice would be, curl-up with a TMS book and read it very thoughtfully. This Forum can be as much of a distraction from "healing" as any other. The best thing is to read the books and absorb the TMS Penicillin Knowledge accurately and absorb it on a cellular level.
... We may think we are in control of our destinies but that is an illusion. The best thing to do is learn to deal with the occasional intrusion of the "nasty" real world and be thankful if we can be the observer rather than the participant.
Tom, I just wanted to say that back in 2004, 2005 and part of 2006 before my son was born, I never once had a problem with you, or saw you in altercations with anyone. Actually, this forum wasn't much of a hostile place at all. You were helpful and friendly.
Since then, I've come here now and then, but I've not had time to post my situation... not yet. Anyway, I see the forum has changed—a lot. I don't think anyone should have such high school antics in their personal profiles.
Hi Suzanne, and thank you for the kind words. Sorry to hear you are having a tough time of it, hopefully with what is just the benign TMS gremlin. You do have a beautiful child that you can feel eternally positive for creating.
Don't be off-put by this minor dust-up. Historically the forum has always had occasional debates and arguments going back to the its "good ol' days" under the auspices of its founder Austin Gary.
One thing I find unique to this forum is an absence of the usual internet squabbling, antics and down-right nasty stuff, that is "normal" for most other internet message boards. I think this is telling to the psychological issues of those who deal with TMS. The lack of "hostility" and energetic give and take, is not necessarily a healthy sign from a TMS perspective. Evidence of more fight here may be evidence of some positive emotional energy that may be channeled to fight the TMS gremlin.
Regards,
tt |
| Suzanne |
Posted - 09/07/2011 : 23:23:06
quote:
Originally posted by tennis tom
...No one forces anyone to continue reading a thread when it is obvious it's getting unpleasant, but I guess it's like a car wreck and it's hard not to peak. I've advocated in the past at the Forum for an area where folks can "tell it like it is" like a Reichian screaming room. I think that would be a healthy outlet for those who wish to participate.
If people get turned-off by the very rare expression of an emotion here, my advice would be, curl-up with a TMS book and read it very thoughtfully. This Forum can be as much of a distraction from "healing" as any other. The best thing is to read the books and absorb the TMS Penicillin Knowledge accurately and absorb it on a cellular level.
I don't view TMS as an "illness", as the Good Doctor says, it's part of the "human condition" which we cannot insulate ourselves from entirely no matter how hard we may try. When people say they are "cured" I wonder for how long? We may think we are in control of our destinies but that is an illusion. The best thing to do is learn to deal with the occasional intrusion of the "nasty" real world and be thankful if we can be the observer rather than the participant.
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
Tom, I just wanted to say that back in 2004, 2005 and part of 2006 before my son was born, I never once had a problem with you, or saw you in altercations with anyone. Actually, this forum wasn't much of a hostile place at all. You were helpful and friendly.
Since then, I've come here now and then, but I've not had time to post my situation... not yet. Anyway, I see the forum has changed—a lot. I don't think anyone should have such high school antics in their personal profiles. The forum wasn't like that when it began. I've not read through everything, but for those that are new here, they should not judge you on the words of someone, or a couple of people, who have issues. I knew you for a couple of years from when this forum began, and you were always there for everyone, and helpful, with kind words.
Still battling my TMS, but now doing it with a healthy, energetic 4 1/2 year old boy who goes back to preschool tomorrow, so I'm off to bed. A new symptom of my TMS just recently is insomnia, no matter how exhausted I am. But now that my son will be in school, I'll have time to do "Unlearn Your Pain" and re-read Dr. Sarno's books, and do Dr. David Schechter's workbook if I can. I am looking forward to getting my hands on Adam Heller's book. His Facebook profile and posts on the TMS group peaked my interest. My TMS is at it's worst, and I am 11 years 5 months in... I cannot live like this any longer, it's destroyed my life and each day it consumes each moment. I need my life back. |
| Javizy |
Posted - 08/24/2011 : 08:18:21
ABrooks,
If nothing's working for you at the moment, why not give some basic health maintenance a go? There are things you can do that you might not even consider "treatment", but just living well.
If you eat nothing but junk fats and get no omega-3 in your diet (much more common than you may think), the fat cells in your brain will be mainly omega-6-based. These kind of cells have been shown to contribute toward depression and mood swings. In fact, many studies have shown between 2-6g/day of omega-3 can help reduce impulsive behaviour, hostility and physical aggressiveness. People with a lot of fish in their diet are also less likely to develop Alzheimer's as they age. In other words, try eating healthily!
Don't just eat healthy foods, but eat them at the right times and select ones with high protein or fibre content. Fatigue is almost always a symptom of depression, and the right kind of diet can do a lot to reverse it. If you find fatigue a real problem, and your diet doesn't seem to affect it, adrenal fatigue and/or low thyroid activity may be involved. Both are pretty common in people with long-term problems such as anxiety or depression, but you'll be lucky if your doctor is sharp enough to diagnose it. Diet can positively influence both of these problems, though.
Another thing to look at is respiration. Hyperventilation can lead to as much as 40% less oxygenation of the brain. This has been shown to make brain cells hyperactive, which can fuel symptoms of anxiety, and the feeling that you can't shut off your mind. It's also terrible for your circulation, which can obviously contribute towards your pain symptoms. Cardiovascular exercise can be a good way to improve your breathing, and it helps to dissipate stress hormones. It has a number of advantages for your brain chemistry too, but only if you do it regularly (3-4 times/week), so no weekend warrior stuff!
I'm sure you'll agree relaxation is important, so why not try finding some time to be completely at ease with yourself? Meditation, yoga, massage or even a nice bath can work wonders. But you really need to make a habit of it. Learn that you matter and don't put off your alone time for the sake of pleasing other people! Consider it part of your treatment and be sure to make time for it each day.
These are just a few ideas, and there are plenty more out there if you're willing look with an open mind. I'm finding some books about neuroscience quite intriguing. It's interesting to understand which part of your brain causes you to do things like forget what you went into a room for or obsessively think about something. Learning about things so objectively makes me incredibly aware of such habits in myself, and I think it goes some way to reversing them, too.
Good luck with whatever you try  |
| maccafan |
Posted - 08/23/2011 : 13:45:33
Hello tt,
Thanks for the back up. She did spend a lot of time in her bio defending herself against you and I thought this was abnormal. She seems too concerned about what people think of her. If she has really left I think she will return and claim I misinterpreted what she said there. But she can't say I'm misinterpreting the nasty, nasty things she said about me. She is becoming desperate and childish in her attacks on me. And also in her bio she says she's better so the rest of us are irritating her now which means she's better so she hopes we will get better and become irritated by the posters too. Circles! She builds up, puts down, builds, puts down and there's a term for this and it is passive-aggression.
She may not think of herself as an expert (maybe she really does) on this board but she does try to act like an authority on how we should think about everything! It could be that she's a prophet and not Dr. Sarno. And if visiting message boards is ultimately not good then why the heck is she here?
Dr. Sarno's info, theory or not helped me reclaim my life so to me it didn't need to be proven by "clinical science". If that makes me a cultist to alexis, tuff cookies!
There's so much more that I could say about the scientific world, benzos and tinnitus but for now I'm sticking to being confronted by this person for the way I worded my first sentence in my first post on this thread.
Art,
I never once said that people should not take medications or ban them. I said to be your own advocate, learn the pros and cons before you make your decision to take them, etc. We all have to take them at times. But we have to weigh the risks and learn about the risks before we do and not just blindly leave it up to the doctor because she/he knows best. We have to get off our butts and use our own brains as well about these important decisions.
ABrooks,
Sorry about all this for your sake. I meant well and I hope you're feeling better. |
| art |
Posted - 08/23/2011 : 06:15:10
When it comes to drugs like Xanax, it really does depend on the individual. What we should be talking about here is the whole class of benzo's, which by any standard have revolutionized the treatment of anxiety disorders. They are generally safe and effective.
That said, we're all different. Trouble can certainly arise with certain individual physiologies. Those with addictive tendencies can run into terrible trouble if not monitored properly.
BUt what drug does not have drawbacks? There are very often serious, even devastating side effects in drugs that overall, do quite a lot of good. SHall we ban the use of narcotics because some people become junkies? For that matter, shall we do away with chemotherapy because sometimes they even kill?
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 08/23/2011 : 00:37:51
I'm rootin' for ya' Maccafan! You are not alone. As you can see in Alexis' bio, I have also been the target of her pseudo-intellectual elitist attitude. She cherry picked some phrases I wrote in jest, taking them out of context. She has inhibited my ability to freely express myself here, forcing me to be wary of how she will manipulate my words. She has her fans and I'm one of yours Maccafan, for having the courage to confront her head-on. Maybe you will also be enshrined, like I have been, in her bio.
I try, at the TMS Forum, to help as many people as I can to obtain accurate TMS info, and to give them contact info to TMS doctors and therapists. Yet, Alexis has never given me any credit for my good deeds here but only ridicules me for having the temerity to correct her when she has misstated TMS info.
Alexis continually nit-picks at the Good Doctor's theory, criticizing him for not having "clinical science" to back up his theory. This undermines what TMS'ers need the most, belief in Dr. Sarno's theory. Ultimately, gaining the belief that they can control their own mindbody health and not be solely left to the whims of the medical/industrial complex. I for one, have had enough of physical and social scientists, dictating to me how to lead my life according to their flawed vision from the Ivory Tower.
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
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| maccafan |
Posted - 08/22/2011 : 21:23:55
alexis
Wow, you're good. Good at manipulating. I just took the time to read your bio and other comments there which were very arrogant too. It explains a lot about you though. You find us all irritating! You're sick of newbies and their complaints. Share and when you're well then get out, etc. etc. If you agree too much with Dr. Sarno you're a cultist. You make such stange comments.
If you think we're all such dullards why are you here?
I wasn't actively looking to do anything but possibly help another person.
I think you're the one that's severly paranoid. And I don't hate you, good grief, I don't even know you. But I do think you're insecure. If you want to think I'm a bad, cruel person that's ok because I don't care what you think and I know what you're trying to do with those kinds of statements. You don't even know me except that I stood up to your dismissal of me and you didn't like that at all. Gee, are you going to do that every time I try to give my 2 cents worth same as most people are doing here?
I haven't done anything wrong so you can drum up all the sympathy you want. I don't need it and I read your bio.
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| wrldtrv |
Posted - 08/22/2011 : 20:39:05
This is ridiculous! Mccafan, it seems you came out of the gate attacking Alexis with your first post. She has tried to defuse your aggressiveness, which you take as showing off her intelligence. Well, she is intelligent and what's wrong with that? You dismiss her evidence as "dime a dozen studies" and what do you have instead? Your own experience. Okay, that's one person. I'm inclined to believe that nobody should be on Xanax any longer than need be and better not at all, if possible. That said, there isn't one rule for everybody. You have your own personal experience with the drug, while Alexis has studies. Who's right? The way I see it, you're the expert as far as your own physiology goes, while Alexis's external evidence is also valid and not to be dismissed as showing off her "superior intelligence" as you put it. |
| alexis |
Posted - 08/22/2011 : 20:35:42
quote:
Originally posted by maccafan
alexis, I see that you edited your last post to me and softened it. This version leaves out the part where you said you don't think I'm a bad person. That's nice of you because I don't think of you as having an ego problem either.
When I typed that I was typing what I sincerely felt, which was that you were not at heart bad and I wanted to make clear what I felt so you wouldn't feel anger coming from me. I left out that part on editing because on rereading I feared you would misinterpret it in the worst possible light, as apparently you did.
I've found that no matter what I say you actually appear to be actively looking for the most negative interpretation possible - and there's nothing much I can do to respond under those circumstances. You deeply want to hate me and think the worst of me for whatever reason.
So to make your quest easier I take it back I guess. I kind of suspect now that you may at heart pretty much be a bad person, both cruel and severely paranoid. I can also only imagine that you are very unpleasant to be around if you are always seeing people attacking you and think the worst of everyone you meet. But if that's what you expect, I'm happy to give it to you. I'm off on vacation so feel free to make up whatever other horrible interpretations you can about my personality in my absence.
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| maccafan |
Posted - 08/22/2011 : 19:40:16
alexis, I see that you edited your last post to me and softened it. This version leaves out the part where you said you don't think I'm a bad person. That's nice of you because I don't think of you as having an ego problem either.
Xanax is a nasty nasty drug and I stand by my statement. I also went on to explain my experience with it and why I feel this way. And I said that the drug was not meant to be taken for more than 3 wks. and that in this way it could be useful. There's nothing wrong with my wording. You certainly haven't been concerned with your wording.
As far as a plumber knowing more about plumbing this is technically true. You tried to dismiss and generalize my knowledge and my experience with this drug and implied that you have a better understanding of it. And you are the one that brought up studies.
It's ok with me if you want to try to soften the way you're coming across to me. I think you should and apology accepted. After all I haven't read the book you have so I don't have the better or right understanding of the word ignorant. And it doesn't bother me if you are angry at me.
"To me" and "my experience" with you I think you're just talking in circles and trying convince me of "your" higher intelligence. And that's not very humble.
I really wanted to try to help ABrooks with something I know about. And maybe she will pass on her knowledge of something that could help me sometime.
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| alexis |
Posted - 08/22/2011 : 17:41:34
mccafan,
Just so you can see my side, the way I saw it, you didn't say "Here's my experience. I had a bad time with Xanax." You called it a "nasty, nasty drug". Yours was not just a retelling of experience, but a condemnation of a medication many people swear has saved their lives. In response to my original post to you, where all I did was mention that some people seemed to have had a different experience, you discounted my findings with "Studies are a dime a dozen." You also make comments like "You just might learn something" and "It sounds like you work for a pharmecuetical company!" that may seem subtle to you but imply my ignorance and bias. I imagine you think your own confidence in your beliefs is somehow less "arrogant" in nature, but I see it as your bias, just like mine is mine.
I wasn't at all angry at you about that; I just assume this is how people talk...we can't worry about every word we type. I am upset by what you said in your last post, though, and I will consider my writing style in the future. In “real life” I’m actually considered self-effacing and a bit overly humble, so it’s really very strange to have anyone have this reaction. I will consider too that while I don't have issues with the idea of being ignorant (why I so love Terry Pratchett novels that revel in our ignorance), this may be troubling to others - either because they interpret the word "ignorant" differently than I do or because being knowledgeable is more valued by some.
By the way, I agree that scientists are ignorant too. I just believe that on the specific subject of chemistry chemists are somewhat less ignorant than non-chemists, plumbers less ignorant of plumbing than non-plumbers and so on.
Apologies if any of the above sounds arrogant – I mean that sincerely.
alexis
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| balto |
Posted - 08/22/2011 : 16:58:52
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Originally posted by art
But bear in mind that for many, TMS is chronic. Like addicts and alcoholics, most of us think of ourselves as immersed in an ongoing process of recovery.
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Art you are right that it is chronic. To me, I think it is chronic like heart disease. You have to take charge of your battle against the disease. Don't depend on your doctor too much. When you have heart disease your doctor usually just precribed Lipitor and baby aspirins and tell you to take it easy. Next come surgery if it get worse. He would rarely tell you to change your diet, or Cut back on red meat, Exercise more, Quit smoking. I read that you can actually reverse heart disease by changing your diet and life style.
I think tms is the same. you don't just use Sarno's methods (or whatever methods) to stop your pain and be done with it. To stop it for good you have to make big change to your life style. Changes that would distance yourself from distress situation or minimize it. Changes that would help your body recognize stress symptoms before it get worse and deal with it quickly before it can create pain. Changes that would put more positive into your life than negative. Be the best doctor to your mind and your body. We will always be more sensitive to stress than a non tms person, but we can train your mind and body to be ready for the next battle. We can make changes to our life and our mind so stressful situations lesslikely to occur to us.
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| maccafan |
Posted - 08/22/2011 : 13:23:40
Hi alexis,
I believe you've forgotten about ABrooks original post! She asked for advice and I gave her mine. You didn't like my advice, not just disagree with it. And it seems you're very concerned that she or others may listen to my advice.
And in your condescending way you are trying to convince me that I am just plain wrong about my advice. It also seems you are trying to convert me and others into understanding that we are ignorant, TMS puritans, perfectionistic 100% believers and complete idiots for being so.
alexis, if scientists had all the answers there would be no need for people like Dr. Sarno.
Abrooks may be experiencing something very similar to what I did which is a paradoxical reaction to a benzo, interdose withdrawal or reaction to a benzo dosage reduction. When this happened to me I had never read about the side effects -ahead- of time either. It was a long time before I realized what had caused it. And I wanted to let her know that her new increased anxiety may not be "some horrible manisfestation of TMS".
When I replied to ABrooks I had only skimmed the posts before me. I just wanted to let her know that she could be right about her suspicion of the Xanax. But when you replied to me personally about my opinion I went back and actually read your posts.
I was surprised to find your posts to be so down-putting, negative and insulting even. And including yourself in your statements doesn't make them less so. I thought -wow- what a superior attitude.
Drug reactions and side effects from drugs are the "norm" for everyone even if some are not yet known as common ones. We "humans" are becoming a lot more educated about medications. We have more confidence to question the doctors and scientists and not be intimidated by them. You said that "Humans - all humans- are ignorant". That includes scientists then too.
I could stuff and repress my feelings about your comments to me but I don't want some new TMS symptom to pop up so I'm asserting myself instead . . . I don't agree with you at all. |
| alexis |
Posted - 08/22/2011 : 06:13:06
quote:
Originally posted by maccafan
alexis - It sounds like you work for a pharmecuetical company! And the drug companies can't even "make science". If you read the literature about benzodiazepines and ssri's as well you will see that it says the chemical is "thought" to act in a certain way and that it is a theory. Even pharmaceutical commercials on tv state this and then legally they have to relate all the possible side effects including sometimes causing death.
hi maccafan, I agree with you that the mechanisms are not known. I guess this just bothers me less, as I put it in the category of some very basic biological functions are still not fully understood and I put this in the same category, but that way of looking at things is of course a product of my own personal background and history. And with unknowns I agree there is always risk - and when the mechanisms are known you may end up being right...I know I don't know what isn't known. (and yeah, I know that that sentence sounds a bit silly).
quote:
Originally posted by maccafan
Like I said my problems with benzos started before the internet and it's support groups were in existance. I went to medical libraries and read and learned about it by myself. Then lo and behold when the internet thing hit I found out that I was not alone by far!
As I mentioned in my first post, I believe that you made a wise choice in your case. I always feel we know our own bodies best and have probably experienced some of the same situations as you where doctors don't seem to believe our own individual cases, just because they are in the minority. I've even experienced this problem with my dog when the vet didn't believe in a rare side effect she had. For me personally the concern is in being recognized as an individual who may have a different reaction than the norm, and having it understood that that doesn't make it any less real.
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Originally posted by maccafan
Before you take any drug or undergo any medical procedure you should read about it and learn about it all that you can. Weigh the pros and cons and be your own advocate. Listen to lay people and learn of their personal experiences as part of your decision making because the scientist and the people with Phd's don't always have your best interest at heart. They have a bottom line to make for their companies, get an artical published, or get some grant money.
Again very much agreed on the research. The only risk I see is that knowing side effects ahead of time does make one much more likely to experience them...a tricky line for us TMS types and I waver personally on how to handle that risk.
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Originally posted by maccafan
I think you are a perfectionist for sure, alexis. You HAVE to be perfectly right.
I'm not sure how presenting my opinion makes me any more having-to-be-right than you continuing to argue your point and opinion. I'm happy to see us disagree with each other and argue our own positions without believing either of us is in some way flawed for doing so. The main difference I see is that while I think the research process is often flawed, I apparently believe it more effective than you do. Unfortunately I think that's a topic too big to settle here.
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 08/21/2011 : 07:56:53
Point well taken Balto, I'm a recovering "Goodist" myself. No one forces anyone to continue reading a thread when it is obvious it's getting unpleasant, but I guess it's like a car wreck and it's hard not to peak. I've advocated in the past at the Forum for an area where folks can "tell it like it is" like a Reichian screaming room. I think that would be a healthy outlet for those who wish to participate.
If people get turned-off by the very rare expression of an emotion here, my advice would be, curl-up with a TMS book and read it very thoughtfully. This Forum can be as much of a distraction from "healing" as any other. The best thing is to read the books and absorb the TMS Penicillin Knowledge accurately and absorb it on a cellular level.
I don't view TMS as an "illness", as the Good Doctor says, it's part of the "human condition" which we cannot insulate ourselves from entirely no matter how hard we may try. When people say they are "cured" I wonder for how long? We may think we are in control of our destinies but that is an illusion. The best thing to do is learn to deal with the occasional intrusion of the "nasty" real world and be thankful if we can be the observer rather than the participant.
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
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| balto |
Posted - 08/21/2011 : 06:15:46
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Originally posted by tennis tom
Balto, thanks for trying to be the voice of reason and peacekeeping but please don't let a little squabbling upset you or anyone else here for that matter. I find it telling that this board in particular is so afraid of witnessing any fighting. My parents were both from Eastern Europe and fought all the time. It was there normal method of communication, probably kept them together longer than they should have been and I never gave it much thought. People from many cultures like Spain or Italy dialog quite animatedly, with a lot of arm waving and passion without getting stressed about it. I find certain aspects of Anglo/American culture to be in a "Leave it to Beaver", world easily stressed by any hint of unpleasantness. This is probably a great generator of TMS tension. Thanks for your concern though.
I'm not upset TT. I was just concern for you guys. People with The win at all cost mentality or the care too much about what others think of what you said is very conducive to tms.
Also, I was just felt bad for some of those new to this forum who came here looking for comfort, peace, and solutions to their illness, who came and read these post and got turn off and leave without getting any helps they were looking for. I suffered in silence for almost 2 decades. I don't wish this illness on even my enemies. I found that when I helped people, I feel so much better about myself. That is why I voiced my concern. I am already cured, I come to share, not to take. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 08/20/2011 : 17:16:36
Thanks Art, apology accepted.
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
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| art |
Posted - 08/20/2011 : 16:36:16
Tell you what Tom. Here's an apology for my part in this. I take responsibility for letting myself get sucked into another one of these black holes. And that's my fault.
Let's just move on..
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