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| hundreth |
Posted - 06/18/2009 : 12:04:31
http://chronicfatigue.about.com/od/diagnosingfmscfs/a/off_course.htm
This makes me sad to see. This woman had a panic attack and ended up diagnosed with Fibromyalgia. It is painfully obvious she is simply suffering from anxiety symptoms, but now she thinks she will never be cured and gave up her job as a TV producer.
As someone who's life turned upside down because of googling "stiff neck" and ending up thinking I had fibromyalgia, this is pretty crazy. |
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| Hillbilly |
Posted - 06/21/2009 : 22:38:29
There are two: Mental Health Through Will Training and Manage Your Fears, Manage Your Anger. Both are stunningly simple and direct, no-nonsense, and full of advice on how to go about getting past your symptoms.
I hate quotations. Tell me what you know.
Ralph Waldo Emerson |
| sarita |
Posted - 06/21/2009 : 15:04:13
which book of a. low should i get?
thank you |
| Hillbilly |
Posted - 06/21/2009 : 11:41:25
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My lingering fear is that I've overloaded my nervous system to the point of no return. I fear there is a permanent damage there which makes it so rare to see someone fully recover from Fibromyalgia like symptoms.
This, of course, is nonsense, but I can say that without hesitation because I have proven it false in my own experience. You must do it in yours. I would like to point you to the writings of Dr. Abraham Low. Back in the 1940's and 50's he worked with thousands of patients both with "diagnosable" mental defects, and plain old garden variety nervous patients. I recall reading in one of the books about a man who was so overwhelmed by nervous stirrings when he went to wait on a train that he had lived in a cocoon of sorts for 20 years. Dr. Low obliterates all notions of the "hopeless" patient, and gives examples of people whose situation is far worse than yours, in all likelihood.
For those who suffer from fatigue, Low is particularly strident in his irreverance for these labeled "illnesses" that came before him. His chapter of Mental Health Through Will Training titled "The Myth of Nervous Fatigue" is a tremendous rebuke of the diagnosis of so-called discovery of an illness by a New York physician whose name escapes me, but who referred to his discovery as neurasthenia. This today would fall under the rubric of "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" or FMS. And they are both nonsense.
Of course, there are many who would argue until the ends of the earth that their symptoms could not possibly be caused by nerves. And so, for those, there is a self-fulfilling prophecy of a future marked with more suffering and malaise.
Happy Father's Day to all celebrants out there.
I hate quotations. Tell me what you know.
Ralph Waldo Emerson |
| HilaryN |
Posted - 06/21/2009 : 09:31:24
Oh, I'd never heard that term before - I thought you'd made it up. Thanks for introducing me to it, anyhow.
Hilary N |
| sarita |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 15:05:02
oh hilary i mean cyberchondriac is a term which exists!!!!! misprint. |
| HilaryN |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 14:32:23
hundreth,
I don't know whether this post from pan would also be helpful for you?
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5700
Hilary N |
| HilaryN |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 14:28:43
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(sarita)btw no more google! cyberchondriac is not an official term. lets not join them.
 I like it! I think cyberchondriac should be an official term from now on.
Hilary N |
| Dave |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 14:09:09
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Originally posted by hundreth
I'm just praying I eventually get relief by trying to ignore my symptoms and do what makes me happy, which at this point is quitting my job and doing something else with my life.
Consider that your job situation might be a major contributor to your symptoms. While it may not be realistic to quit your job right now, explore the emotions that the job might be stirring inside you without you even realizing it. This is not the "stress" of the job but how it makes you feel about yourself deep down. |
| sarita |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 13:57:57
i gave u the wrong link! those 2 books look the same! i mean this one: http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Help-Your-Nerves-Overcome/dp/0722540132/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245527959&sr=8-1 |
| sarita |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 13:36:01
sarita again for a change. you see, by providing information on whats going on, sarno does just that, take away the fear. just as you said. thus those nervous systems can finally relax, and healing starts. he had patients who were bed bound. |
| sarita |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 13:33:29
btw sarno also says tms is due to an overactive autonomic nervous system. |
| sarita |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 13:32:17
oh sorry! i just never know wether guy or girl in this forum!
ok. i suggest you read joseph murphy, power of your subconscious mind and the claire weekes!
also, some people got better after being reassured by a tms doc (one of the good ones). they needed this. i may, too.
you see, if our condition is a result of chronic tension and anxiety (dont know if u have a history of it but it doesnt reallt matter, i think it can be unconscious and just still powerful) then we must get rid of the fuel that keeps this heightened state going. and i do believe one is able to do this, no matter how strong. i am starting to believe...that brains are required. 
if it makes you feel better i am in a simmilar boat!
please dont throw my book recommendations in a sock.
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| hundreth |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 12:37:09
BTW I am a guy.
I've read lakevin's posts as well, they were indeed inspirational. His case is one of the more mind boggling because he suffered so many symptoms yet makes it seem plausible that you can be pain free one moment later after an "Ah Ha!" moment. He was also against journaling and other classic Sarno treatments. Quite an interesting case, he neither fit into the anxiety recovery mold of being patient and letting time pass nor the Sarno recovery mold of journaling and digging deep for repressed emotions.
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| sarita |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 12:11:47
btw no more google! cyberchondriac is not an official term. lets not join them. |
| sarita |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 12:09:11
you are still so young! i am 28. also young.
about the reduced blood flow theory; people take this part too seriously! Sarno himself raves about the writer of "molecules of emotion" and this is all about hormones, the peptide system (it just arrived, i will read it). However let me tell you, if you have made lots of research on Fibromyalgia (our favorite word) then you should know, oxygen deprivation indeed plays a huge role (oxygen will reach the muscle with blood!) Its a fact, my pt told me, pain is somehow always connected to the nutrition of the muscle. Be it oxygen, etc. Claire Weekes also explains it brilliantly on page 8! PLEASE, you sound like a nice girl, get the weekes book! Order it now , I thought NO ONE HAS A CLUE what I am going through until I "met" her.
About the nervous system being permanently damaged, I can only say: ......BS.
as opposed as some here, I do believe the sarno theory about deeply repressed emotions, which we are unaware of but which rule , to a huge extent, our actions, our thoughts. maybe some day ill start such a therapy. for now, i still have bad moments, anxiety, the "whoosh" moments of sort a panic and annoying pain (upper back and arms). i know i will beat it. and so will you. there is some guy, lakevin (look him up on members). he was worse than you. he recovered.
to quote weekes : let there always be a bit of hope.
if you want, ill paste here the posts of lakevin for you. i saved them!
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| hundreth |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 10:34:46
Sarita, thanks for your help.
I've read Hillbilly's posts and they have been very influential to me. I've been acquiring information for the past 10 months, believe me I've run out of things to google.
I initially had blood work done and everything came up fine. I can not think of anything an MRI could show which would result in my entire body locking up this way.
I certainly believe I have a TMS personality type. I rarely show emotion, a real Stoic. I simply cannot buy into Sarno's oversimplified blood restriction explanation. I think his treatment method can help many, but I've noticed the most successful of his followers are those who do no additional work and simply lose fear of their illness. This is essentially the goal of anxiety recovery. An overactive nervous system stuck on high alert seems a much more likely culprit for my strange symptoms.
My lingering fear is that I've overloaded my nervous system to the point of no return. I fear there is a permanent damage there which makes it so rare to see someone fully recover from Fibromyalgia like symptoms. |
| sarita |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 04:18:16
FEAR
is a huge factor
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| sarita |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 04:04:32
one more thing; if all the tests show normal why dont you find a tms doctor?
getting better in tms has a lot to do with being persistent and smart and POSITIVE. no way anyone will get better when scared and intimidated by the dreaded term "fibromyalgia". i am struggeling myself! elimination of such fears is a must.
i am observing that a lot of people get better with sarno on initial symptoms, but the following symptoms, the so called equivalents, are harder to deal with, to get rid of. i think our brain sees through the trick of healing it and we must be imaginative.
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| sarita |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 04:00:15
hey hundreth,
read the posts by hillbilly. it has helped me.
get lots of information.
have you had mri's and blood work done? vitamin d deficency can make your muscles hurt.
i say, once you have sort of excluded everything, then i think nothing should hinder you to give sarno a REAL try.
with me, anxiety is a huge issue and i think a predecessor to my upper back pain and arm pain. i love claire weekes, not so much "hope and help for your nerves" as "essential help for your nerves". (they are both great but in the latter she talks about muscle pain and so much more).
there are some great book recommendations on this site.
PATIENCE.
http://www.amazon.com/Self-Help-Your-Nerves-Overcoming/dp/0722531559/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245492051&sr=8-2
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| HilaryN |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 03:08:40
Sarita,
That would be great if you get time to do it.
Hilary N |
