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| miche |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 14:35:11
Hi everyone,
I was diagnosed with this condition after falling off my high heel sandal and bruising my foot by landing hard on the side of another shoe that was laying at the door, this happened five weeks ago. I did not feel much pain until about four days later and the pain, mostly in my heel has been quite delibitating. My question is the following, does Dr Sarno attribute all plantar fasciitis diagnosis to tms, I never had pain in my feet before and I did hurt myself ,so maybe this pain is legit, any feedback would be appreciated.The foot specialist that I saw recommends ultra sound, better shoes than my sandals , taping , heat and ice
,Miche |
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| mamaboulet |
Posted - 08/31/2007 : 10:56:40
I actually do like my orthotics because my tiny, wide, high-arched feet have trouble finding shoes that fit. I get stuck buying shoes that are too large, which usually means the heel/arch/toe areas of the shoe don't match my feet. The orthotic allows me to transfer my form-fitting sole shape to any shoe. |
| cfhunter |
Posted - 08/31/2007 : 10:25:24
6 years after being diagnosed with PF and having been told I needed surgery by multiple docs etc I treated it as TMS and it was gone.
My whole life changed b/c of my feet....my story is the typical TMS story 12 doctors 5 pairs of wasted orthotics and $700 in shoes later it was my brain that was causing the trouble.
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| mamaboulet |
Posted - 08/25/2007 : 06:12:17
oops, double post. |
| mamaboulet |
Posted - 08/25/2007 : 06:10:35
I'm wearing my crocs this morning, without orthotics. HA! Just try to stop me. |
| miche |
Posted - 08/24/2007 : 22:20:08
Altherunner I love walking barefeet, exactly what the podiatrist warned me against for this condition, I just took off my shoes, you make a lot of sense, thank you |
| miche |
Posted - 08/24/2007 : 22:17:25
Hey guess what, I don't think my subconscious wanted to hear my song " I am woman hear me roar" I woke up this morning with total body pain, the kind of flare up I dread , I am starting to get the picture, I could almost applaud my subconscious it is that good if I wasn't so peeved off at it right now, I wish my logical mind was as smart I would be considered a genius.....all of you are right, I have a lot more work to do, wish me luck! |
| altherunner |
Posted - 08/24/2007 : 19:37:07
Podiatrists, chiropractors, osteopaths, have all reccomended orthotics, meaning well, but when my tms got better, I threw them all out, and found no difference, even with high weekly mileage.
Reading about indigenous peoples that run long distances regularly,
(like the Tarahumara Indians of Mexico) with no shoes or light sandals, pointed out that using your feet in a natural way makes them stronger, not weaker. Of course, a lifetime of shoes leaves us vulnerable to cuts and scrapes, but maybe try walking on the grass
barefoot, and see how it feels. Running barefoot in the sand, or with sandals is great, too. Think of spreading out your toes as they touch the ground, so that your foot is working, not like it is another attachment, like a shoe. |
| mamaboulet |
Posted - 08/24/2007 : 08:08:35
I have had severe cases of it in both feet. My podiatrist said it is because I have super high arches. Well, I've had super high arches all my life. I used to be a runner and extremely active. I was virtually crippled last year from plantar fasciitis. There was no specific injury or incident to set it off. I was even living where there aren't any hard sidewalks. Coincidentally, it came on just as my knee surgery healed and I was able to walk again. The previous year I was crippled from a knee that threatened to fold up forward on me. Totally scared to walk. Even crossing a street made me panic. |
| miche |
Posted - 08/24/2007 : 00:21:52
Thank you all again for your thoughts and advice, you are so right, I have new problems and I suspect I needed a new distraction, I read all the success stories to day and that has helped me a lot, I managed to lessen the stomach pain considerably without meds, I JUST HAVE TO PERSEVERE , and I will, I am not as helpless as I thought, so I am starting to feel some empowerement over this situation, over ten years of pain is quite enough, time to clean up my act and show my subconscious who is the boss,all I have to remember is that I have made progress already, so it is a good sign, it may sound silly but I have had this song running in my head all day, you know the one about I am woman, hear me roar, for some inane reason I find comfort in these words today and I think it will become my new motto I do appreciate all the support and will let you know how I progress.
Miche |
| altherunner |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 21:38:21
My last tms symptom to go was foot pain, plantar fasciitis, and a painful bunion. My daughter became lost at a picnic at a lake, and I ran around the lake(6 miles) in my sandals, looking for her. This would have normally caused pain, but because of being intensely distracted by my daughter, this didn't happen, and never happened again. The pain was a conditioned response.(not a re-injury). |
| armchairlinguist |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 19:47:56
I think that reinjury bit is nonsense, miche. Injuries will heal (assuming you were, in fact, ever injured, which seems not terribly likely since your pain started four days after -- an injury should hurt right away). Walking on a foot is normal use and I'm sure the foot can cope with it.
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| miche |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 19:42:42
Nor, Shawn, thank's for your input, I can accept the tms theory regarding most feet issues, the only thing that bothers me is that the specialist told me that because this plantar fasciitis was brought on by an injury and because one is pretty much always on one" feet , that fact alone causes constant reinjury, your thoughts? |
| Nor |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 15:40:12
Hi Miche,
Comfy shoes and icing aren't a bad idea. I think you need to be suspicious if the pain continues beyond what is reasonable to the injury you had. Our bodies DO bruise but the key w/Sarno is that they HEAL as well. Its those long term, chronic things that scream "TMS". -Nor |
| miche |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 15:26:14
I hear you Corey, I also was the sober one for the same reasons you mention, take care ! |
| Littlebird |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 14:25:33
quote:
Originally posted by miche
I suspect that most of us are too responsible to do any such thing, we take our job as caretaker of the world too seriously to even consider such an act of selfishness Ha!.
Miche
This statement pretty much sums up my life! If I hadn't been the sober, responsible one, always thinking I needed to take care of everyone else and trying to fix the problems caused by their lack of responsibility, I wouldn't have TMS! |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 13:49:26
From "Healing Back Pain"
Plantar Fasciitis
The pain in plantar fasciitis is located on the bottom of the foot along the length of the arch. Although they are often vague about cause, doctors may ascribe this pain to inflammation. The area is usually very tender to palpation and seems quite clearly to be a manifestation of TMS.
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Sarno-ize it!
Read chapter 4 of Dr. Sarno's "The Divided Mind." Also chapers 3, 4 and 5 in Dr. Scott Brady's "Pain Free For Life" are very important. |
| armchairlinguist |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 11:39:07
Miche, I'm glad you're feeling that you're making progress and are on the right track!
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| weatherman |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 09:10:41
The fact it took 4 days to start hurting makes me REALLY suspicious. As for orthotics, I had them many years ago after I had broken some sesimoid bones in front of my big toe - but was also told I had to wear them forever. Of all things, it was a rolfer (20+ years ago) who told me I could get rid of them - and he was right!
If there's a real injury (break or tear, not "inflammation"), orthotics make lots of sense as a short-term measure to take stress off the injured area so you can go about your business. But as a long-term thing? - NO!
Weatherman
"Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." |
| miche |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 00:02:40
Thank you ladies for writing back , and thank you Anthony for your tip
I have made a lot of progress with fibro and tms,it is a long process for me , mostly because I always go back to the physical, the progress comes from not going back as often as I used to and not staying there as long.
I am presently reading Gabor Mate and Lise Bourbeau, both these authors believe in the mind body connection and reinforce my belief that I am on the right path.
Corey of course you are right when you talk about all the people numbing themselves with alcohol and drugs etc, however I suspect that most of us are too responsible to do any such thing, we take our job as caretaker of the world too seriously to even consider such an act of selfishness Ha!.
Miche
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| armchairlinguist |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 21:48:44
Sorry, but frankly I don't believe orthotics do anything. When I had foot pain, I was 'diagnosed' with mild Morton's foot and pronation, and I got orthotics. The pain wasn't too bad as long as I wore them, but it was still annoying sometimes, and I was dependent on them, which was irritating, since they didn't fit in most of my shoes.
After I learned about TMS I took my orthotics out, challenged the pain, and haven't had pain since. I wear all kinds of shoes and no shoes. Our feet are actually not designed for shoes (barefootedness was far more common until recently), so I don't see the logic in thinking they somehow need 'better support'. Feet, like any other part of the body, are strong and easily adapt to most any conditions we can throw at them.
AnthonEE, I hope that you'll try this sort of experiment too once you are more comfortable with TMS.
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