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miche
Canada
283 Posts |
 Posted - 08/22/2007 : 14:35:11
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Hi everyone,
I was diagnosed with this condition after falling off my high heel sandal and bruising my foot by landing hard on the side of another shoe that was laying at the door, this happened five weeks ago. I did not feel much pain until about four days later and the pain, mostly in my heel has been quite delibitating. My question is the following, does Dr Sarno attribute all plantar fasciitis diagnosis to tms, I never had pain in my feet before and I did hurt myself ,so maybe this pain is legit, any feedback would be appreciated.The foot specialist that I saw recommends ultra sound, better shoes than my sandals , taping , heat and ice
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Littlebird
USA
391 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 15:27:55
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Hi Miche,
It sounds a little suspicious to me that the pain didn't get bad until 4 days later. I've had a lot of foot pain issues, some that were bad enough to keep me off my feet at times, but I've never seen a foot specialist, so there's no telling what they may or may not have found if I'd gone.
If it bruised your foot, it seems like even a deep bruise would be better in 5 weeks. I've had broken toes and sprained ankles that were completely healed in about 6 weeks time.
Better shoes will at least prevent you from another injury, but I'd question whether the ongoing pain is just due to the initial injury or if your unconscious mind decided to use it as an opportunity for a TMS takeover. Hope your foot feels better soon! |
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miche
Canada
283 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 16:11:23
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Thank's little bird, I WONDERED ALSO ABOUT THE PAIN DELAY, funny thing is that my constant upper back pain had eased off tremendously until I questionned the source of this foot problem , from the time I started to wonder about possible tms with the foot pain, the upper back pain resurfaced along with reflux, trouble swallowing,sore throat and sinus congestion , all my old symptoms on top of the foot pain, now I am too busy wondering about esophegal ( wrong spelling) cancer to worry about the foot pain 
Still , according to the tms theory the foot pain should have left when the back pain came back should it not?
Also I have been thinking emotional and figured that was the reason why the back pain had left me . Although the stomach pain never left , the foot pain entered the scene, it seems like one pain location is never enough for me Ha!
I have been under a lot of stress but who isn"t Everyone else seem to cope,  |
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armchairlinguist
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 16:22:38
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Sounds like TMS, miche, with the pain pattern changing and delayed pain. Foot pain is really common for TMS, I definitely had it for a while and it is SO distracting!
At any rate, if I were you I'd wear comfortable shoes for a while (they're nice anyway, so why not?) and think TMS and do some work to catch up on your TMS reservoir, then see what happens.
A new pain won't necessarily go away when the old one comes back, I think.
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Littlebird
USA
391 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 18:05:06
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My form of TMS symptoms are the group referred to as Fibromyalgia, so for me it's common to have multiple symptoms, and of the ones that I've completely conquered so far, sometimes just one will try to come back, but sometimes a number of them try to return all at once, so I think it's not that unusual that your unconscious took advantage of the situation and flared up multiple old symptoms again.
It would be nice if we could sail through our stresses and any underlying anger as easily as people who don't have TMS seem to do, but on the other hand, some of those people are relying on alcohol or other substances to try to cope. Many in my family have done so. But some of the qualities that make us more prone to TMS can have their benefits too. We may be better at our jobs because of perfectionistic tendencies, or we may be very supportive of loved ones because of having a strong nurturing tendency--it's just that we may overdo it and end up with symptoms. I feel like continuing to explore the personality traits that caused me to develop TMS is helping me to develop a better balance between using the good parts of those traits without overdoing it and causing myself a lot of unconscious anger. It's taking me a while to learn how to achieve the right balance, but I am making progress.
Sorry to hear you're having a lot of stress! I find journaling helpful in bringing down the stress level, and I write letters that I don't ever send expressing my anger and frustrations with people who are involved in the stress.
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AnthonEE
USA
80 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 19:14:54
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| Hi miche - I struggled with plantar fascitis for many years. Then I found a guy that makes custom orthotic inserts. They're basically just insoles that I put in my shoes, and they have much more arch support than the pathetic flimsy ones you get in most shoes. I have to tell you, I haven't had even a single plantar symptom in over five years! (Better than I can say about the rest of my body) And I had never even heard of TMS until about this time yesterday. So up until about two years ago, I had been a very active runner, hiker, etc. Not a single plantar flair up. Haven't put on a pair of shoes since without the orthotic inserts. Maybe this sort of thing could help you too. I got mine for $75 and they last almost 2yrs for a pair. Good luck. |
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armchairlinguist
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 21:48:44
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Sorry, but frankly I don't believe orthotics do anything. When I had foot pain, I was 'diagnosed' with mild Morton's foot and pronation, and I got orthotics. The pain wasn't too bad as long as I wore them, but it was still annoying sometimes, and I was dependent on them, which was irritating, since they didn't fit in most of my shoes.
After I learned about TMS I took my orthotics out, challenged the pain, and haven't had pain since. I wear all kinds of shoes and no shoes. Our feet are actually not designed for shoes (barefootedness was far more common until recently), so I don't see the logic in thinking they somehow need 'better support'. Feet, like any other part of the body, are strong and easily adapt to most any conditions we can throw at them.
AnthonEE, I hope that you'll try this sort of experiment too once you are more comfortable with TMS.
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miche
Canada
283 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 00:02:40
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Thank you ladies for writing back , and thank you Anthony for your tip
I have made a lot of progress with fibro and tms,it is a long process for me , mostly because I always go back to the physical, the progress comes from not going back as often as I used to and not staying there as long.
I am presently reading Gabor Mate and Lise Bourbeau, both these authors believe in the mind body connection and reinforce my belief that I am on the right path.
Corey of course you are right when you talk about all the people numbing themselves with alcohol and drugs etc, however I suspect that most of us are too responsible to do any such thing, we take our job as caretaker of the world too seriously to even consider such an act of selfishness Ha!.
Miche
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weatherman
USA
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Posted - 08/23/2007 : 09:10:41
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The fact it took 4 days to start hurting makes me REALLY suspicious. As for orthotics, I had them many years ago after I had broken some sesimoid bones in front of my big toe - but was also told I had to wear them forever. Of all things, it was a rolfer (20+ years ago) who told me I could get rid of them - and he was right!
If there's a real injury (break or tear, not "inflammation"), orthotics make lots of sense as a short-term measure to take stress off the injured area so you can go about your business. But as a long-term thing? - NO!
Weatherman
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armchairlinguist
USA
1397 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 11:39:07
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Miche, I'm glad you're feeling that you're making progress and are on the right track!
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 08/23/2007 : 13:49:26
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From "Healing Back Pain"
Plantar Fasciitis
The pain in plantar fasciitis is located on the bottom of the foot along the length of the arch. Although they are often vague about cause, doctors may ascribe this pain to inflammation. The area is usually very tender to palpation and seems quite clearly to be a manifestation of TMS.
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Sarno-ize it!
Read chapter 4 of Dr. Sarno's "The Divided Mind." Also chapers 3, 4 and 5 in Dr. Scott Brady's "Pain Free For Life" are very important. |
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Littlebird
USA
391 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 14:25:33
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Originally posted by miche
I suspect that most of us are too responsible to do any such thing, we take our job as caretaker of the world too seriously to even consider such an act of selfishness Ha!.
Miche
This statement pretty much sums up my life! If I hadn't been the sober, responsible one, always thinking I needed to take care of everyone else and trying to fix the problems caused by their lack of responsibility, I wouldn't have TMS! |
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miche
Canada
283 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 15:26:14
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| I hear you Corey, I also was the sober one for the same reasons you mention, take care ! |
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Nor
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Posted - 08/23/2007 : 15:40:12
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Hi Miche,
Comfy shoes and icing aren't a bad idea. I think you need to be suspicious if the pain continues beyond what is reasonable to the injury you had. Our bodies DO bruise but the key w/Sarno is that they HEAL as well. Its those long term, chronic things that scream "TMS". -Nor |
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miche
Canada
283 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 19:42:42
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| Nor, Shawn, thank's for your input, I can accept the tms theory regarding most feet issues, the only thing that bothers me is that the specialist told me that because this plantar fasciitis was brought on by an injury and because one is pretty much always on one" feet , that fact alone causes constant reinjury, your thoughts? |
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armchairlinguist
USA
1397 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 19:47:56
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I think that reinjury bit is nonsense, miche. Injuries will heal (assuming you were, in fact, ever injured, which seems not terribly likely since your pain started four days after -- an injury should hurt right away). Walking on a foot is normal use and I'm sure the foot can cope with it.
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altherunner
Canada
511 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 21:38:21
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| My last tms symptom to go was foot pain, plantar fasciitis, and a painful bunion. My daughter became lost at a picnic at a lake, and I ran around the lake(6 miles) in my sandals, looking for her. This would have normally caused pain, but because of being intensely distracted by my daughter, this didn't happen, and never happened again. The pain was a conditioned response.(not a re-injury). |
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miche
Canada
283 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2007 : 00:21:52
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Thank you all again for your thoughts and advice, you are so right, I have new problems and I suspect I needed a new distraction, I read all the success stories to day and that has helped me a lot, I managed to lessen the stomach pain considerably without meds, I JUST HAVE TO PERSEVERE , and I will, I am not as helpless as I thought, so I am starting to feel some empowerement over this situation, over ten years of pain is quite enough, time to clean up my act and show my subconscious who is the boss,all I have to remember is that I have made progress already, so it is a good sign, it may sound silly but I have had this song running in my head all day, you know the one about I am woman, hear me roar, for some inane reason I find comfort in these words today and I think it will become my new motto I do appreciate all the support and will let you know how I progress.
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mamaboulet
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Posted - 08/24/2007 : 08:08:35
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| I have had severe cases of it in both feet. My podiatrist said it is because I have super high arches. Well, I've had super high arches all my life. I used to be a runner and extremely active. I was virtually crippled last year from plantar fasciitis. There was no specific injury or incident to set it off. I was even living where there aren't any hard sidewalks. Coincidentally, it came on just as my knee surgery healed and I was able to walk again. The previous year I was crippled from a knee that threatened to fold up forward on me. Totally scared to walk. Even crossing a street made me panic. |
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altherunner
Canada
511 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2007 : 19:37:07
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Podiatrists, chiropractors, osteopaths, have all reccomended orthotics, meaning well, but when my tms got better, I threw them all out, and found no difference, even with high weekly mileage.
Reading about indigenous peoples that run long distances regularly,
(like the Tarahumara Indians of Mexico) with no shoes or light sandals, pointed out that using your feet in a natural way makes them stronger, not weaker. Of course, a lifetime of shoes leaves us vulnerable to cuts and scrapes, but maybe try walking on the grass
barefoot, and see how it feels. Running barefoot in the sand, or with sandals is great, too. Think of spreading out your toes as they touch the ground, so that your foot is working, not like it is another attachment, like a shoe. |
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miche
Canada
283 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2007 : 22:17:25
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| Hey guess what, I don't think my subconscious wanted to hear my song " I am woman hear me roar" I woke up this morning with total body pain, the kind of flare up I dread , I am starting to get the picture, I could almost applaud my subconscious it is that good if I wasn't so peeved off at it right now, I wish my logical mind was as smart I would be considered a genius.....all of you are right, I have a lot more work to do, wish me luck! |
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