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| Call Me Op |
Posted - 07/08/2007 : 16:55:02
Does anyone know whether it is possible to have TMS and a TMS equivalent, or two TMS equivalents, at the same time?
Thanks,
-Op |
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| sensei adam rostocki |
Posted - 07/11/2007 : 10:22:03
From personal experience, I can say that it is not only possible, but absolutely real. I experienced back pain combined with knee pain and gastrointestinal problems alternately and combined for many years. I think many patients have a primary symptom followed by secondary symptoms. However, take the case of a condition like fibromyalgia...Here is a situation where patients experience a host of related and separate conditions at the same time. Every patient is different and some have simultaneous multiple pain syndromes. –Sensei
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| mikescott_98 |
Posted - 07/11/2007 : 08:19:36
I thought his statement was a little strange also. I wish he would have explained this a little more. I feel that I have had two symptoms at the same time, but since I have not had this happen since I have seen the video, I can not be sure they were both occurring at the EXACT same time. He did bring it up one other time in the video when someone said they do not get the knee and back pain at the same time. Dr. Sarno said "This is a perfect example of the way it works. In general the brain only needs one sight of pain at a time." Maybe 2 pain (muscle, tendon, or nerve) or 2 gastrointestinal/other equivalent at the same time is unusual, but one of each is possible or normal. Perhaps the temporary healing of one symptom has began before the other equivalent has begun and the symptoms of 2 or more are present at the same time. One is on the way in while the other is on the way out, but the mind is only focusing on one. Since I am now looking for it, I will notice if/when I get a double shot of TMS again. |
| Jim1999 |
Posted - 07/10/2007 : 22:45:17
quote:
Originally posted by mikescott_98
I purchased Dr. Sarno's video off e-bay and there is a portion that mentions this. Dr. Sarno said that the mind only needs ONE symptom to take keep you from focusing on the unconscious rage. The patient asked the question about never having his 2 symptoms (IBS and pain down his legs) at the same exact same time. Although Dr. Sarno did not specifically say it was not possible, he seemed to say that the TMS and equivalents will alternate.
I haven't seen the video, but from what you've said, I doubt that Dr. Sarno was saying that it's unusual to have two symptoms at once. He was just saying it's not necessary for some patients to have two symptoms at once.
For example, fibromyalgia is a form of TMS. Irratable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) is a TMS equivalent. It's common for fibromyalgia patients to have IBS at the same time. I've had both at the same time and know of other patients who have also.
Jim |
| JohnD |
Posted - 07/09/2007 : 18:28:48
Of course its possible. THere are many people who have many forms of TMS at once....If you look at the long list of equivalents then its easy to see that its very possible....probably the norm |
| armchairlinguist |
Posted - 07/09/2007 : 08:07:23
I think Sarno is right to suggest it's not usual, but there are many people on this board who have or have had multiple equivalents, or TMS plus an equivalent. I had TMS plus dandruff, which is pretty minor, but it's still TMS plus an equivalent (skin issues). So in short, yes, it's possible. It may indicate a more severe case, but it doesn't have to. I think for me it was just that I had dandruff before I had TMS pain and it just stuck around.
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| mikescott_98 |
Posted - 07/09/2007 : 05:58:17
I purchased Dr. Sarno's video off e-bay and there is a portion that mentions this. Dr. Sarno said that the mind only needs ONE symptom to take keep you from focusing on the unconscious rage. The patient asked the question about never having his 2 symptoms (IBS and pain down his legs) at the same exact same time. Although Dr. Sarno did not specifically say it was not possible, he seemed to say that the TMS and equivalents will alternate. |
| skizzik |
Posted - 07/08/2007 : 17:22:16
ooooooooooohhhhhh yyyyyyeaaaaaaaaaah, multiple for sure |
| art |
Posted - 07/08/2007 : 17:21:17
I would hazard the following guess:
Sure. |
