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| Newmom |
Posted - 06/04/2007 : 11:31:25
Does anybody know what Dr. Sarno's opinion is about this forum? |
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| bert |
Posted - 06/15/2007 : 10:18:59
Hi LadyBug,
I email you last night through this site |
| LadyBug |
Posted - 06/14/2007 : 10:30:44
I'm not sure if we've lost Bert, it's been 4 days since he posted. Bert if you're still reading this, your "quick" mention of anger at an elderly parent jumped off the page at me. I would love to discuss with you all that I've learned on that subject. It has caused me a great deal of pain. You can post here or e mail me directly. Please somehow identify yourself in the subject so I know it's from someone on this forum. We need to talk! This is a subject I am familiar with.
No Good Deed Goes Unpunished |
| HilaryN |
Posted - 06/12/2007 : 13:12:52
Excellent!
Hilary N |
| Lizzie |
Posted - 06/12/2007 : 13:05:41
NewMom
Congratulations on your progress. I relate to your "baby steps" and fear. I am the same. Now largely pain free and not panicing nor seeking reassurance from physical therapists once symptoms worsen. This confidence feels empowering but I still fear new physical activities and future pain/reinjury (?!!) especially those moves that involve lifting and bending and still often avoid them. My latest "baby step" however is I have started jogging... not far but jogging nonetheless and this is something I posted a few months ago about not having the courage to do. That's progress for me. Hopefully you and I in the months to come will be able hand on hearts to post success stories, but as Dr Sopher says "celebrate" so for now I am celebrating the little steps I've made.
Take care and good luck to everyone else.
Lizzie |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 06/12/2007 : 12:42:58
This just in. Dr Sarno says get off the net and resume normal physical activity.
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| HilaryN |
Posted - 06/11/2007 : 14:14:54
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(Newmom) but I still have the fear. Fear of reinjuring myself, fear of never being able to do things again, constant fear, etc. This holds me back. Until I can let this fear of reinjuring myself go, I do not consider myself a success story.
Yes, it’s true one isn’t completely “cured” until one no longer has that fear of activity. But it’s still good to read of your progress and it looks like your activity is increasing slowly, so I'm sure you'll get there.
Hilary N |
| Newmom |
Posted - 06/11/2007 : 13:24:13
I appreciate everybody's reply's here. Hilary N, I do not feel that I am fully recovered but thanks for the positive reply. I no longer have pain and those mini panic episodes that caused my pain, but I still have the fear. Fear of reinjuring myself, fear of never being able to do things again, constant fear, etc. This holds me back. Until I can let this fear of reinjuring myself go, I do not consider myself a success story.
This board has helped me in so many ways both physically and mentally. This board has been a good obsession for me and I have learned to use it to my advantage. I read only the posts that I feel will help me and have learned to ignore the posts that are off topic for me. I consider myself a hypochondriac and if I read somebody else's symptoms, it never fails and I start to get them. That's why I tend to read only the topics that are beneficial to me. I think this happens to a lot of other here and this can become a bad obsession.
I work very closely with doctors in my legal profession, some on my side, some are against my clients. When preparing for court, I try to find as much dirt on a doctor as possible, if I were cross-examining the good doctor, I would use this forum as ammunition and I can understand why doctors do not want to be associated with these kinds of forums. It would make sense that Dr. Sarno is the same.
Bert, I read your post, and I want to let you know that I have become pain free. I cannot get rid of the fear of re-injuring myslelf or having the pain again though. I am always on guard. However, it is getting less and less the more that I do. I was not able to resume normal activity once I believed I was not injured and that nothing was wrong with my lower back, probably because of the fear factor. So I started out little by little and gradually got moving again. I function normally throughout the day but that's it, no extra activities. Several months ago, I would not even carry my 25 lb son. I now carry him. I do not bend over to pick him up because of the fear - not the pain and I still get into a squatting position and then stand when I pick him up. This is progess for me and it takes time. Do what you can, even if it is baby steps. Everybody's recovery is different.
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| stanfr |
Posted - 06/10/2007 : 18:59:19
Bert, just the fact that your here posting says a lot about your open-mindedness and strength of character. There is no black and white when it comes to psychosomatic vs physical problems, and i sure as heck don't claim i have all the answers. If i did, i wouldn't be back trying to resolve new problems 10+ years after finding out i originally had TMS. There are some fine lines that tend to make one very confused when it comes to diagnosing, and when i read your fourth paragraph in your last post, this confusion comes through loud and clear to me, cause i've lived it!
To give you an example, 20 years ago i was a competitive runner. I got all sorts of injuries to my legs/feet because i pushed myself so hard, way past my capabilities! Ironically, part of the reason i was running was to deal with ongoing stress. One of the en-vogue injuries then was shin-splints, attributed to running on one side of the road, since its slanted and causes imbalance in your stride.
SO i did all sorts of strengthening exercizes trying to beat this, but it held me back from reaching the goals i set for myself (aside: perfectionism, need to be in control, frustration at being thwarted by injury: all classic signs of TMS!) In retrospect, i highly doubt this was real injury or even overuse, although i don't know for sure.
Then, one race down a steep hill, lots of high impact, and i ended up with a strained ankle. Or so they told me. I wanted to get back to racing, so two weeks later i started training again, until the pain was too great a couple months later. Then, they re-Xrayed and told me it wasn't a sprain, it was a stress fracture. New bone grew in my foot which required major 6+ hour surgery to fix. I was off my feet for 6 months, and my running career was over.
Now, if anyone had told me my injury was anything but a real fracture with real physically induced pain, up until two weeks ago, i would have told them point blank "your insane!"
Now, i'm not even so sure about that. Ive come to realize the mind and body are completely inseparable. Given my psyche at the time, i wouldn't say it is impossible that my injury was completely psychosomatic. They didn't catch the fracture in the first X-ray, after all. At the very least, i'm pretty certain a lot of my mindset wen't into the healing process (or lack thereof). Who really knows how much to attribute to the mind, and how much to attribute to real physical injury? Obviously, there are extremes, and if i had had a compound fracture the picture would be clearer.
On the other hand, I once was yelled at by someone on a 'Spinal Forum' when i suggested he might have TMS, when he blamed his back injury on a "sneeze". When i told him i thought this sounded a bit extreme, he angrily insisted that a sneeze "is one of the strongest forces in nature". Well, yeah, sneezes can be pretty loud/strong, but can they really lay you out in major pain for months?? When i hear that kind of irrationality, all i can do is shrug my shoulders.
Anyhow, sorry for the rambling reply, just wanted to let you know i'm pulling for you. I agree with Shawn: if you haven't already done so, read ALL of sarno's books, then read them again. Decide for yourself what applies to you. That's all anyone who comes here can do. Good Luck! |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 06/10/2007 : 17:04:50
Ok Bert, thanks for responding.
Just to make one thing clear, TMS pain is ALWAYS physical and, for some people, can land them on their back so bad they cannot even move. Dr. Sarno writes about some of these cases in his books.
You have provided a good profile of some of your life issues and it is a good place to start. One thing I see in you is that you are a perfectionist and, as a result, place a lot of pressure on yourself to do things well and professionally. This is a laudable trait in this culture, but places a lot of pressure on the narcissistic self. I would read the sections on perfectionism in Dr. sarno's books and see if that applies to you. Keep sharing as it is good for you to let it all out as much as you can.
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| bert |
Posted - 06/10/2007 : 16:15:53
I love what I do for work. I create and am very proud of the outcome. I enjoy the compliments I get for my creativety, neatness and personality from my customers. I should explain that I am self employed home improvement guy. I do not enjoy the other aspects of my job such as dealing with people who are looking for the cheapest price or asking for more than what an estimate indicates. Nor do I enjoy office work or relying on workers to do what the customer knows I can do if I decide to use workers who won't or don't know how. There are so many areas that I don't enjoy to keeping a business profitable by relying on others to do the work. I alone can only do so much to keep up. But I've set up my business to be easiest on me, without relying on too many people. But because of this pain I endure daily , I can no longer rely on me to perform the work, which keeps me from paying the bills to enjoy life. For ten years I enjoyed a very profitable business with plenty of down time to enjoy everyday pleasures. Now I am angry that I have to go through this and not enjoy what was once so easy.
So to comment on what you seem to be eluding to, I don't enjoy working while in pain. And I don't enjoy trying to set up work for others to do it. I'd rather have one or two helpers and do the work myself with them. It's very rewarding to do a job and say look at how nice this came out. The people who do work with me enjoy it, but they don't do the extra it takes to please a homeowner. So to leave them on thier own, I have to overwelm myself with all facets of running a business and then worry if they did what was needed. Usually what happens is once someone gets the knowledge to do the work, they move on. And I don't blame them one bit. Or they ask for too much money ($200 to $300 a day in this area) that I can no longer afford to keep them busy and make a profit.
In answer to the other thoughts. Yes, I have placed a lot of unwanted responsibilities on myself. Some mentioned above and some marital issues which are unresolved and need to be very soon. And some with a specific parent whom I will not hurt at thier age to resolve my problem with thier parenting skills. And for being deeply hurt in the past, absolutely. As for low self esteem, I'd say yes/no. I'm not sure exactly what that means. I have sometimes too high a regard for who I am and how I treat others. But I have also tried hard to do my best to impress others. Not so much anymore. I think realizing what I've done has made me not give too much into what anyone thinks anymore. But it is nice to get compliments on how I treat others. I now say it like it is. And if you hurt someone or myself and I don't like what you did, I tell you to your face. If your nice to me or others, I also let it be known to you. So I'm guessing I no longer have low self esteem. As I'm proud of who I am. And I don't really give 2 cents of what anyone thinks of me. So I am angry at others for acting like, A-holes.
Now this is something I get from this site especially. My concern is not whether or not TMS is real. It's more about giving out advise that whom ever comes here, has TMS, and should just go on with thier pain as if it weren't there. More priority, I think should be put on making sure the body is strong enough to ignore pain. You can get really hurt otherwise. The pain is real, regardless if it's induce by mind or body. And can cause further pain which few seem to be able to control it over the body. And if this isn't physical then one still needs to be mentally focused enough to believe it. But if it is physical then I'm one is hurting themselves more. I am now willing to exhaust more testing that I hadn't wanted to go through prior to make sure my pain is real or not.
Just to make things clearer, offering advice is good. Just be sure it's an offer and not intended to be fixed advise. That's what I got from some posts here. I am sure I have TMS to either some degree or a great deal of degree. I am not so sure whether some problems I'm having are due to real physical injuries. I believe just as the mind/body connection exists so too does the phychological/physical exist.
That's all. I vented. As you've probably notice I'm angry and just getting it out. Hopefully I've worded my typing to not direct my anger at anyone. If so I am sorry. It's not my intentions. |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 06/10/2007 : 13:29:07
Bert
I am sorry for your troubles. We can only offer advice based on what you tell us about yourself and our limited understanding. People leave the board for various reasons, many times because they simply cannot accept the diagnosis, and 100% acceptance of TMS principles is essential for recovery. Perhaps your pain is not due to TMS, it will be up to you to decide based upon your reading and understanding of Dr. Sarno's work. If you cannt accept that TMS is the source of your pain then no one on this board can help you. If you accept it, however, then you have to be patient as recovery for most people does not happen overnight.
Am I correct in assuming that you hate your job and that this may be a source of rage, even though you may consciously tell yourself you love your job? What kind of responcibilities are placed upon you in life- wife, children, aging parents etc? As for your self proclaimed vindictiveness, what suppose makes you this way? Possiblly low self esteem or that you feel no one will like or accept you for who or what you so you drive them away? Were you deeply hurt by someone in the past? Think about these things and try to go beyond your conscious feelings and reactions.
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| bert |
Posted - 06/10/2007 : 11:01:23
I wasn't going to post this after I read it. It's way too loog. But I decided to anyway. Before you read this, just know I don't mean it to be a blanket statement for anyone else but me. Everyone has to make thier own stand.
The knee area started last month while pushing to complete a job for work. Now the back which has been the long term problem has been going on for 1 and 1/2 years. I will say it has been getting better and better as I stay away from heavy laborous activity. Such as heavy lifting of repetitive hours of constrution work. My regular Doctor swears the knee area is a direct result of favoring my back muscle from my work load. And putting too much effort to one side. And I do agree after noticing how I'm walking on the balls of my foot on the one side to avoid severe pain. And it's only severe when on verticle. The back area first became severe after doing cememt work, digging holes for decks. pouring cement for a walkway, making garden beds and help moving somebody within a 2 month period in the winter of 2006. And at that time I did ignore the pain everyday of that period until I ended up not being able to move while trying to help someone move a house full. From that period on I tried to go back to work after a week or two of rest. Each time I tried to do what I do at work, which is very similiar to above except not as exausting and such a short period of time, I would re-injur my back muscles and have to rest. I finally went to doctors after 3 months of pushing myself at work and having to have to stay home for more rest than work. They found 3 herniation at that time and put me on therapy, etc. They said to stay away from the type of work I do until I can heal. Unfortunately, if I don't work enough, I can't pay the mortgage and other bills I told them. I did have some money put asside for this. But not much, so I continued to try to work through the pain and came home to ice it all night and go to work again the next day pretty much up until 6 months ago. Then I was unloading some equipement from my van and trying to organize the inside when I had pulling sensation in my back. I ignored it and continued working. I felt a twinge getting stronger and somewhat painful towards the end of the night while resting. The next morning I couldn't get out of bed to easily. It started again
Well this is my point. I worked through the pain, and paid the price by reinjuring or keeping my body from healing itself. Regardless of how long it's been since either my back or knee problem. People need to let thier bodies do what it is made to due. It will take a very long time for even a kids body to heal if they keep running around and playing through pain. As a parent I doubt any of us would allow them to continue doing this until thev've healed properly. I know I won't. But for myself, I'll keep pushing when I start to feel just a bit better. And at 50 my body won't heal properly compared that to a child. So as we get older we should take more care of injury than when younger. What do we do? The opposite, for many of us. We force re-injury because we are responsible to pay those bills and irresponsible to our bodies. Oh yes, I forgot to mention I don't get paid if I don't work. So yes this added stress will impair my ability to heal.
All I'm really trying to say here is this. I wouldn't be so quick to tell someone that they should ignor pain and that you have TMS, regardless if they really do or not. Because no one but that individual really knows their whole story and medical history of injury. I truely do believe a big part of my pain is mind induced but not to the degree that the mind is totally responsible. The body does need it's time too. Fear is the biggest problem in my opinion. Prior to any injury in my life as a kid I was indestructable. Once that first major injury occured, I became affraid to go through that pain again. My body was no longer prepared to do anything and adapt to those split second moves we can do to protect ourselves from getting hurt.
I've read many post here almost advising individuals to go on with thier lives and ignor the pain and do the normal activities they would without the pain. Well I did, and found myself in worse shape. And I've read the post about it's the mind creating pain in different areas and to ignor this too. Well I did that too. I'm now at the point now where if I'm not able to work due to pushing myself through all the pain my mind has created I will have to sell my house or foreclose. The advice given here is at times irresponsible toward others situations. I can't imagine how many individuals have come and gone from this forum who no one has really heard from again. And if so, what was thier outcome.
Sure I've read the success stories and I have been very motivated from these. But I've gone through these post to find out that they are very few. Most still have quite a bit of pain. Of all the members that have joined in, how many have become pain free. That is a answer I really want to hear about. I know there are some, but really how many would be nice to know.
One more thing, I've re-read my post here. And towards the end of it, I sound somewhat vandictive. I don't mean to be. I was just stating an opinion. I don't care to make anyone else angry I'm just fed up with me and I'm trying to get to the bottom of this with real facts. And as John above mentioned, it's a great thing to open up our minds to the various possibilities. |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 06/10/2007 : 10:39:12
Bert
Well, if you really hurt yourself due to an injury no one is going to argue here that your pain is due to TMS. But if it is still hurting after several months then our sucpisions will begin to increase as the body, under normal conditions, heals itself.
Best of luck.
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Read chapter 4 of Dr. Sarno's "The Divided Mind." It's all you need to know in order to recover. |
| bert |
Posted - 06/10/2007 : 10:24:18
The knee/leg/foot area has been about a month now.
The back has been about a year and a half of work affected pain. Prior to this has been minor back pain with and episode here and there of bed rest since surgery in 97. Surgery was very successful BTW. |
| JohnD |
Posted - 06/10/2007 : 09:57:55
The great thing about opening our minds up to all the various possibilities to the causes of our pain - physical and nonphysical - is that from this vantage point we can start to use our minds to our advantage. Rather than trying to force ourselves to ignore the pain, we can listen to it and use what it says to help us rule out either a physical cause or a psychological cause. We can carefully observe our pain all day long, keep a journal about it and note the patterns of it. Then after observing it we can figure out if it makes sense. Asking ourselves questions like "if my back were really hurt, would it only hurt during this movement or at this time of the day", or "is what I'm feeling really pain, or is it tingling or some other sensation that I've become accustomed to labeling as pain" or "if this were a structural issue wouldn't it be getting worse after I do this activity, so then howcome its the exact same pain I had before the activity". Just getting curious with our bodies and our pain can help us look at our situation more objectively, and more honestly instead of out or worry, or trying to force ourselves to believe something that we really don't. Then we can actually arrive at a conclusion that is based on our own experience and will help us to ignore the pain because we've done the necessary legwork to creat the foundation for that belief. |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 06/10/2007 : 07:17:22
Bert, how long ago has it been since your injury?
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| bert |
Posted - 06/09/2007 : 22:12:06
I'm not going to get into telling my whole story. It's not really worth it. But, yes, if I pushed myself after my secondary injury to my knee which I believe is caused from pushing to hard and favoring one side of my body over the other due to back pain at work. Mind you, I do lots of ladder work and stretching as far as possible to make less moves with the ladder. I ended up pulling something in my knee causing me severe pain especially going up or down stairs or a ladder. Now I realize Sarno says the mind has used that excuse to cause my pain. But I have to say I honestly don't believe this in this case. It's similiar to lifting weights and working out to far past the bodies capabilities and injury occurs. Now unless the body is given enough time to heal itself, injury will continue to reoccur. I once had a severe sprain in a sports injury and continued to play that sport. And although I used a special metal brace I kept reinjuring those muscle and also cause damage to other surrounding tissuess. It took alot more time to heal than it should have only because I continued to play. Call it ego or pride or stupidity. Same has applied for me now. And I don't go for the mind causing it in this case. I call it stupidity for continuing to work after only a short healing process by avoiding the pain my body/mind was telling me was there to rest. I tried to work through it. And in the past I have worked through certain pains and by the end of the day I was surprised I was in no more pain. That is what I consider TMS to be. But when real injury occurs, I say make sure you heal this injury first and re strenthen those surrounding muscle. To lift more weight you have to work up to it by slowly increase the amount each week or workout. Same applies here. If I try to lift a 100 extra pounds than I used to, then of course I going to most likely cause injury to myself. Same goes if I'm hurt and lift when I should have rest. More injury happens. |
| stanfr |
Posted - 06/09/2007 : 20:54:57
Amen to what John Said. Bottom line is that you have to make up your mind personally, but hopefully educate yourself as much as possible before deciding what to do.
Two points: Sarno's theory is revolutionary, and i believe it will earn a place in history. But it's on the cutting edge of our knowlege, and Sarno's the first to admit we haven't scratched the surface of our understanding of mindbody. Quite frankly, perhaps due to his age or personality or whatever, i have personally found him a bit reluctant to consider criticism of his own ideas. Maybe that's just my experience, and it certainly doesn't reduce my admiratioin for him any.
On the other hand, one must remember that the brain will create medical findings that are consistent with "traditional" medical theories: that's part of the whole TMS idea! For example, when i had CTS, nerve conduction tests were done and showed 'positive' results, visible to me, which supposedly would eventually lead to "claw hands" if i didn't have surgery. SO what?? The medical proffession will continue to make these misinformed diagnoses so along as they are unwilling to start realizing how strong the mindbody connection really is. So, while i no longer preach to anyone, certain things send up red flags for me. Like, Bert: how exactly does 'ignoring your pain' make it worse? I don't understand that--are you saying that taking a few steps somehow creates further injury or what? Such statements ive heard time and time again, almost always (key word: almost) by classic TMS sufferors. |
| bert |
Posted - 06/09/2007 : 17:43:00
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Originally posted by JohnD
hi all
i come here from time to time and read through some of the messages on the board....just wanted to throw my 2 cents in. I read dr. sarno's book in 2003 and was able to get rid of my tms in about 7 months.
1. I respect dr. sarno's work as it was life saving for me.....but I don't agree with every word written in his book and if he didn't approve of something I was doing (or any other doctor for that matter-TMS doc or not) I may consider his opinion but I wouldnt swallow it
2. Some people may need to be in pain at this point in their lives, it doesn't mean they are bad/wrong or will never get it....its just where they are right now, having a board like this may or may not be helpful to them, but I think it has to do more with the person than the board itself. we can talk of our own experiences here and what has worked for us but as we see everyday on this board that some people will get better and some won't and thats just how it goes
3. all pain isn't tms pain. I don't think its at all possible for anyone on this board to know the true cause of someone elses pain that just happened to put up a post on this board. IMHO its this type of all or none thinking that can be a contributing factor to TMS. That being said, I do think that TMS is the cause of most chronic pain, I just don't think we should be so quick to tell someone else how to deal with their pain
Great post JohnD.
I agreed with your last statement about most chronic pain. And felt this way for the last 3 months. I won't go into any details of my pain. But I will say I am as guilty as the next coming to this forum and hoping for a quick fix of my problems with daily pain. To make this short. I finally went back to my regular doctor for blood work and yearly physical. He knows about my back pain. And wanted me to see a nuerologist his practice hooked up with from the NY Giants for a Dopler test. I agreed as this is a test I backed out of due to being fed up with the medical system. Now this doctor explained in detail with great proficiency what would show up on the screen if thier was a problem with each herniated disc in question. The LCD display showed 2 locations normal. The third had a great deal of distortion which he called problematic. And also explained what areas of pain I would have are consistent with his findings in both legs. One more than the other. He also said there will be no need for surgery.
I mention Dr. Sarno and he knows of him well and agreed with the mind having an effect on our pain threshold. But said he does not feel this is my situation at all. He did agree that fear plays a hugh factor with the healing process. As even with the players he treats on the Giants become healed from intense injury. They still have to be confident in that they are truely healed. He also hinted that these guys get brutally hit and get hurt everytime they're on the field. Once thier confidence goes away so does thier ability to heal themselves in thier own mind.
What bothers me here is that I tried really hard to ignore my pain. Everytime I tried to ignore my pain, within a few steps I got severe shooting pains and would have to stop and rest for days to get back to where I was. By ignoring pain I ended up hurting myself more. The doctor also says I have atrophe going on in one leg. Now, I think it's very important for people to get thoroughly checked and tested before applying TMS techniques. I rushed through the process. Gave up on the medical profession due to frustration with them and getting nowhere.
Only time will really tell if what this last test ends up being the thing that gets me back on the right road to being pain free. But I will give it a shot before I push my body again. And in the mean time I intend to continue dealing with my emotional baggage as I've learned much about myself these past 3 months. But I will also build up my muscle with great care and workout properly knowing I have weak spots to build back up so as not to reinjure myself over and over.
I think it's very important for new members checking here to know to really check out all medical options before appyling TMS to thier beleif systems. Time will tell if my problems are going to be corrected due to this last test. But I seemed to only be hurting myself more by ignoring my pain. I will continue to deal with my emotions from the past. As it's really helped me to know more about myself and also help my daughter in dealing with growing up and not worrying about what others think of her. So she doesn't have too many hang ups later on in life.
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| JohnD |
Posted - 06/09/2007 : 13:18:18
hi all
i come here from time to time and read through some of the messages on the board....just wanted to throw my 2 cents in. I read dr. sarno's book in 2003 and was able to get rid of my tms in about 7 months.
1. I respect dr. sarno's work as it was life saving for me.....but I don't agree with every word written in his book and if he didn't approve of something I was doing (or any other doctor for that matter-TMS doc or not) I may consider his opinion but I wouldnt swallow it
2. Some people may need to be in pain at this point in their lives, it doesn't mean they are bad/wrong or will never get it....its just where they are right now, having a board like this may or may not be helpful to them, but I think it has to do more with the person than the board itself. we can talk of our own experiences here and what has worked for us but as we see everyday on this board that some people will get better and some won't and thats just how it goes
3. all pain isn't tms pain. I don't think its at all possible for anyone on this board to know the true cause of someone elses pain that just happened to put up a post on this board. IMHO its this type of all or none thinking that can be a contributing factor to TMS. That being said, I do think that TMS is the cause of most chronic pain, I just don't think we should be so quick to tell someone else how to deal with their pain
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