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| tennis tom |
Posted - 05/21/2007 : 09:47:53
I've often been accused of driving people away from the board, and that's quite a burden to have to bare. I've been giving this a little thought since I've been advised that I need to perform deep soul-searching and prostrate myself for my sins against the board.
After a little thought, I came to some conclusions of my own. I think many more are driven away from the board due to the cost of admission having to adhere to the liberal party line of PC.
I think many are driven away because they have recognized they weren't willing to sell their intellectual souls, to pay the price of admission. But, these folks go quietly and aren't a bunch of cry-babies about it, leaving a trail of profanities in their departure.
I don't recall ever starting any political discussions. I came here out of interest about an exciting topic, psychosomatic medicine, here referred to as TMS. But, if a political topic was raised I injected my 2 cents. For having the temerity to do so, I am skewered, vilified, demonized and generally made to feel like the board crank. If that's the cost of standing up and speaking one's views, so be it.
The price of admission here is you MUST adhere to the party-line, the main precepts being: Bush bad, Walmart bad, Global Warming not to be questioned, Pot and drugs victimless crimes, tobacco bad and so on and so on.
In reality, I am a political moderate and my views are shared by about half the country, and, as the recent elections in Germany and France have proven, the majority of the voters in those countries as well.
I think many more are driven away from the board by having to adhere to it's predominately liberal-eltiest bent, but they go quietly with-out being cry-babies about it.
When the head count is done, who is really driving who away from the board?
Some of my favorite excerpts from " THE DIVIDED MIND " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| art |
Posted - 05/25/2007 : 09:32:21
Hey T,
I stick my clubs in the front,leaning the bag up over the passenger seat...The car though, as you point out, is remarkably spacious feeling inside...You absolutely do not feel like you're driving a tiny car...I congratulate you on your taste in owning a couple of the originals...I never would have had the imagination or appreciation at that age...
I'm not a car-guy per se, and know very little really, but I love a good ride...The cooper is superb, tight as tight can be with a distinctly go cart feel...With the john cooper works kit, I've got 200 hp available, which in such a small car is quite a punch...
Best car I ever had was my M3...That car was superb. At the time, in the early 90's, leasing them was pretty reasonable...I'll always regret not buying that baby when my lease ran out..But the mini is great...A real hoot, even if it's striclty speaking too much car for me these days...I would have been fine with just the "s," and foregoing the kit..The older I get, the less compelled I feel to drive fast, though I still have my moments.
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 05/24/2007 : 16:34:12
quote:
Originally posted by art
TT,
You should take a spin in my 04 mini cooper "s" complete with john cooper works...Excellent ride..
Cool car Art! I used to own a '64 and a '65 cooper 's's, one a RHD. Finally, gave them away for a song because they became mostly rust and broke the last plastic sunroof handle left on the planet. Most fun I've ever had on 4 wheels.
Babies in strollers would look at it and smile. Cavernous interior for such a tiny footprint. Used to hold my 6 ft. blond ex with room to spare. One of the best designs ever, it's designer was knighted by the Queen. Beat all the much more expensive Jags to win the Monte Carlo Rally; not bad for an almost stock vehicle costing $2,500.
I've been longing for one of the new ones since I heard they were gonna' make 'em. I've got a file box of info I've clipped on them. Someday hope to get one especially a convertible. They seem to be true to the original vision. I hear they're coming out with a station-wagon version soon.
Thanks for the offer, if I'm out your way, I'll take you up on it. Do the clubs fit in the boot? What's the top end on it?
Some of my favorite excerpts from " THE DIVIDED MIND " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| armchairlinguist |
Posted - 05/24/2007 : 14:24:10
quote:
after 10:00 PM swim-suits are optional in the hot-tub.
TT, you're cracking me up again. One reason you are a valuable addition to the board. :-)
I used to live in a house with a pool in the backyard. From the former owners there was a sign that from far away appeared to say "No swimming after dark." From close up you could make out a small word "suits" as well.
I sometimes wonder if the whole purpose of Byron Katie's work is kind of like that of a Zen koan. It makes your whole brain get tangled up in knots so eventually your inner critic just shuts up, because there's no end to the thoughts that you can analyze. For other ways to do that I highly recommend getting your inner child's issues brought up at work and getting privately so upset that you just get utterly fatigued and stop judging everything for a while. It's traumatic but ultimately quite nice. But Loving What Is, like Zen koans, doesn't seem to do that for me. 
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| art |
Posted - 05/24/2007 : 12:41:21
TT,
You should take a spin in my 04 mini cooper "s" complete with john cooper works...Excellent ride.. |
| electraglideman |
Posted - 05/23/2007 : 19:50:58
Electraglideman, that Chevy Z71 pickup must really move. What's the fastest you've ever taken her up to? My dream car is a 289 Cobra, Carroll Shelby is making new one's out of aluminum in his Vegas factory at the Speedway. I will own one before I die and driving it may kill me.
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TT, I have enjoyed the Chevy Z71 pickup more than any vehicle I've ever owned. I bought it because I'm an avid outdoorsman (hunting and fishing).
As for as speed goes I did have it up to 120mph one time and I chickened out and backed off. I drive it more than anything I own because the ride is exceptional, for a 4X4, and its an extended cab so I have plenty of room to carry my hunting equipment.
I usually trade every three years (its an 02 model)but I've enjoyed this one so much it has become part of the family.
289 Cobra! Now that would be a kick in the ass to drive.
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 05/23/2007 : 11:07:52
quote:
Originally posted by Scottydog
This must be the case judging from the huge number of TMSHelp posters who recover and just move on. Only a few linger on, still posting and arguing.
You make some excellent points, SD. Not arguing with you, but, as so well stated, in AustinGary's (the founder of this board) statement about his vision, of the TMSHelp Board, (kindly refreshed by Sryder), the board can serve a DIVERSE audience with many differing needs and purposes.
I came here NOT to be healed, but to learn more about TMS and hopefully get the latest and greatest news. Some people posting here are patients of the Good Doctor or other TMS practitioners and are kind enough to inform us of changing TMS developments.
On occasion, we have discussions (maybe arguments) about current events, politics, religion (but unfortunately not enough sex-talk), which helps us get a little better acquainted and chummy. We also disseminate TMS fundamentals to those who seek immediate healing.
I can't think of anyone who has not had their TMS issues addressed here by me or someone else. They might not like what they hear or the way they hear it, and go away in a huff trailing a bunch of curses, but in this life, you get what you pay for.
This board seems to reflect what goes on at all the other boards I've seen whether the topic is stock-picking, automobiles or diabetic cats.
There are many threads, and if someone doesn't like what they witness in one, they may avert their eyes, drive by the car-wreck thread and seek out one that suits their viewpoint, sensibilities, aims and aspirations--or they can start a thread of their own.
I'm personally enjoying and learning from Shawn's, grappling with his issues and working through them and don't feel he should be inhibited from espressing his angsts or personal views, on a sometimes rocky and torturous road to personal transformation. I'm obviously from the "letting it all hang out school"--after 10:00 PM swim-suits are optional in the hot-tub.
Cheers and Best Wishes,
tt
Some of my favorite excerpts from " THE DIVIDED MIND " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| electraglideman |
Posted - 05/23/2007 : 10:58:04
[quote]Originally posted by wrldtrv
This is a personal attack and I don't give a f**k. Electraglideman, you are a complete f***ing idiot and I won't even bother explaining why. That should be apparent to anyone who reads your posts on this thread.
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Personal Attack? Gee, are you Barbara Streisand or Robert Redford? If so, let me say Barbara I like your singing or Robert I like your acting.
Any ways, I hope I helped you release some of your repressed anger.
Have a nice day! |
| Scottydog |
Posted - 05/23/2007 : 10:00:35
<quote>The thing is Hilary, TMSers are extremists and we take everthing to the limit. We are constantly angry on the inside and we want the world to conform to our vision of what we think reality should be. And yes, we are filled with a lot of angry enducing shoulds. In addition, we are highly sensitive and even a hint of criticsm will set us off, and if it does not set us off it most certainly contributes to our resevior of rage. We are also low self esteemers. Many of us may be the nicest people in the world on the outside, but on the inside we are self absorbed cry babies all of the time and we want it our way or we are going to explode. We keep this repressed as it is too embarrassing and threatens our preservation. Sometimes, however, it does surface and you will see the results here on this board. There is pressure on us even here to repress this aspect of our being, as is the case in every segment of society.
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Shawnsmith,
I have to take you up on this - you are saying that TMSers are like the above for ever ------no,no, no
once you deal with your inner problems, self esteem issues, inner rage etc etc etc your TMS symptoms decrease but.... and its a bit BUT your beliefs and attitudes change too. You can ignore petty bickering, brinkmanship, attention seeking. You can accept that others have different views from you - it is no longer an issue. The perfectionism becomes less extreme, criticism washes over you (you are too together to care if another being has a problem with you - that's their issue not yours).
This must be the case judging from the huge number of TMSHelp posters who recover and just move on. Only a few linger on, still posting and arguing. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 05/23/2007 : 09:37:01
quote:
Originally posted by shawnsmith
quote:
Originally posted by Hilary
You guys really should give Byron Katie's book, Loving What is, a try.
How do you feel when you think that thought that we all should give Byron Katie's book, Loving What is, a try?
The thing is Hilary, TMSers are extremists and we take everthing to the limit. We are constantly angry on the inside and we want the world to conform to our vision of what we think reality should be. And yes, we are filled with a lot of angry enducing shoulds. In addition, we are highly sensitive and even a hint of criticsm will set us off, and if it does not set us off it most certainly contributes to our resevior of rage. We are also low self esteemers. Many of us may be the nicest people in the world on the outside, but on the inside we are self absorbed cry babies all of the time and we want it our way or we are going to explode. We keep this repressed as it is too embarrassing and threatens our preservation. Sometimes, however, it does surface and you will see the results here on this board. There is pressure on us even here to repress this aspect of our being, as is the case in every segment of society.
*******
Sarno-ize it!
Sounds like an exciting and dynamic life-style to me, Shawn.
I'd rather me a TMS'er than a Monk, sitting in a cave, meditating all day with a bowl of rice for my reward. Not saying that Monks, don't do good work though.
Some of my favorite excerpts from " THE DIVIDED MIND " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| shawnsmith |
Posted - 05/23/2007 : 06:28:08
quote:
Originally posted by tennis tom
[quote][i But my collection pales to the limousine collection of Fidel Castro.
Castro's limos run on left over french fry oil, so hail to the chief:)))))
*******
Sarno-ize it!
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| shawnsmith |
Posted - 05/23/2007 : 06:07:49
quote:
Originally posted by Hilary
You guys really should give Byron Katie's book, Loving What is, a try.
How do you feel when you think that thought that we all should give Byron Katie's book, Loving What is, a try?
The thing is Hilary, TMSers are extremists and we take everthing to the limit. We are constantly angry on the inside and we want the world to conform to our vision of what we think reality should be. And yes, we are filled with a lot of angry enducing shoulds. In addition, we are highly sensitive and even a hint of criticsm will set us off, and if it does not set us off it most certainly contributes to our resevior of rage. We are also low self esteemers. Many of us may be the nicest people in the world on the outside, but on the inside we are self absorbed cry babies all of the time and we want it our way or we are going to explode. We keep this repressed as it is too embarrassing and threatens our preservation. Sometimes, however, it does surface and you will see the results here on this board. There is pressure on us even here to repress this aspect of our being, as is the case in every segment of society.
*******
Sarno-ize it!
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| Hilary |
Posted - 05/23/2007 : 03:56:12
You guys really should give Byron Katie's book, Loving What is, a try.
[stressful thought that you are 100% attached to eg]: People are out to villify me; the earth is burning; other people should believe the earth is burning; Bush bad; Bush good; this board is not a democracy; this board IS a democracy; etc etc etc insert your own stressful thought here
Then ask yourself:
Is it true?
Can you be absolutely sure it's true?
How do you feel when you think that thought?
Who would you be without that thought?
Seriously, that book will help y'all CHILL.
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 05/22/2007 : 23:56:33
quote:
Originally posted by wrldtrv
This is a personal attack and I don't give a f**k. Electraglideman, you are a complete f***ing idiot and I won't even bother explaining why. That should be apparent to anyone who reads your posts on this thread.
HUH? Have we hit a nerve here? World, please explain your rather un-flatering opinion of Electraglideman, because it isn't apparent to me. I think your being a bit harsh here. If you wouldn't say it to him in person maybe you shouldn't say it over a TV screen, he might be a Hell's Angel or something.
All I can think of is maybe WT hates people with more than one car. Let me test this hypothesis and see if that's it. My car collection includes a 2006 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited, a 1955 Ford Thunderbird, a 1971 Chevy Blazer, a 1998 Toyota Landcruiser, and a 1996 Jeep Grand Cheerokee Unlimited, and a couple of 1940's Ford Woodies that are part of my business marketing. I may be responsible for global warming all by myself--but I can still only drive one at a time. I have probably owned and restored over a hundred cars in my life. But my collection pales to the limousine collection of Fidel Castro.
Electraglideman, that Chevy Z71 pickup must really move. What's the fastest you've ever taken her up to? My dream car is a 289 Cobra, Carroll Shelby is making new one's out of aluminum in his Vegas factory at the Speedway. I will own one before I die and driving it may kill me.
Let's sit back and test my theory now and see what WorldT has to say about this.
Some of my favorite excerpts from " THE DIVIDED MIND " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| wrldtrv |
Posted - 05/22/2007 : 23:04:08
This is a personal attack and I don't give a f**k. Electraglideman, you are a complete f***ing idiot and I won't even bother explaining why. That should be apparent to anyone who reads your posts on this thread. |
| electraglideman |
Posted - 05/22/2007 : 18:32:19
quote:
Originally posted by shawnsmith
[quote]Originally posted by electraglideman
I think global warming (caused by mankind) is BULL ****.
I was just now birating a friend of mine via e-mail for having 5 cars. She respoded by writing: "Who gives a **** --- we are only going through this world once."
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I own a Chev Z71 4x4 pickup, a Ford Expedition SUV, a Toyota Camry, a Harley Davidson WideGlide, a Harley Davidson ElectraGlide, and a Yamaha Zuma 50cc scooter.
When Barbra Streisand and Robert Redford stops riding around in limousines and flying in private jets to do their tree hugging speeches I'll sell every vehicle I got except the Yamaha Zuma scooter.
Yes, you only live on this earth just once.
By the way, shawnsmith, I enjoy your TMS post very much. They have been a big help to me. Thanks! |
| armchairlinguist |
Posted - 05/22/2007 : 17:58:43
Shawn, I don't think you get it. This board is not a democracy, and limiting it to on-topic material is not censorship. This board is (as Stryder so eloquently said) a public, moderated, topic-focused online community and the moderator is a benign dictator. The policy is publicized and if you're here, you've agreed to it:
quote:
Among the categories of posts that will be deleted:
* Personal attack
* Way off topic
* Politics
If you don't like it, don't cry censorship, because it isn't -- there's absolutely no suppression of actual information going on, just suppression of nitwitted arguments. Dave is far more tolerant of all the above categories of posts than the policy requires him to be.
If you don't like it, leave, start your own board, and find out how much work it is to keep any online community vaguely sane and on-track. You'll soon be "censoring" like crazy -- or you'll be back here so someone else will do it for you.
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 05/22/2007 : 12:47:38
quote:
Originally posted by shawnsmith
quote:
Originally posted by electraglideman
I think global warming (caused by mankind) is BULL ****.
I was just now birating a friend of mine via e-mail for having 5 cars. She respoded by writing: "Who gives a **** --- we are only going through this world once."
*******
Sarno-ize it!
She can only drive one car at a time, right. We still live in a country with some vestiges of capitalism and can buy and possess whatever our wallets can afford. A study shows that my Jeep, basicly an anti-aerodynamic, 60 year old design, brick on wheels, getting crappy gas mileage, will have less of a carbon footprint from it's inception to it's demise in the crusher, than a new Toyota Prius.
(Is this the TMS board or the Jeep board, I forgot? This thread was about driving wasn't it?).
Some of my favorite excerpts from " THE DIVIDED MIND " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| shawnsmith |
Posted - 05/22/2007 : 12:29:49
quote:
Originally posted by Dave
Nevertheless, this thread will be deleted soon as will any other off topic threads that deteriorate.
With TMSers no topic is off topic, as every topic elicits emotions. I think there needs to be a vote regarding what gets deleted and what stays on and not leave it to the decision of one person. Censorship is un-American.
*******
Sarno-ize it!
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| shawnsmith |
Posted - 05/22/2007 : 12:26:58
quote:
Originally posted by electraglideman
I think global warming (caused by mankind) is BULL ****.
I was just now birating a friend of mine via e-mail for having 5 cars. She respoded by writing: "Who gives a **** --- we are only going through this world once."
*******
Sarno-ize it!
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 05/22/2007 : 09:46:47
quote:
Originally posted by Dave
For the life of me, I just can't figure out why the same cycle repeats over and over.
There's the potential for an interesting sociological experiment here, I think. Nevertheless, this thread will be deleted soon as will any other off topic threads that deteriorate. Please re-acquaint yourself with the policy of the forum, and feel free to have political debates elsewhere.
Hi Dave,
It's just human nature. Every board I've seen on occassion has flames--some folks get into car wrecks and others need to slow-down and look. I don't think we are going to change that here.
I would suggest that, if it's a problem, (which it may or may not be since, this could just as well be called the PsychologyBoard as the TMSHelp Board), perhaps another Board Forum for "Off-Topic or Political" stuff be created. That would probably require topics to be "moved" by a moderator, as these things originate out of seemingly nowhere and take on a life of their own. I'm not looking for more work for you since I appreciate your keeping the board going.
Sociolgicaly, it may serve a purpose of group catharsis or a form of Darwinian natural selection--those who's "fat mouthed opinion genes" are left get to repropagate and carry-on.
Dave, you can scuttle this one into the black-hole of cyberspace at your will. I started the topic because it occured to me that there may be two sides to the issue of "who is running who off the board?".
I was just surmising that some folks come here, obtain clarification of TMS "knowledge penicilin" issues, get well, don't want to waste their time defending a moderate political position (that's me) and split quietly, with-out acting like cry-babies, leaving a trail of curses and name calling in their wakes.
(When Dave jetisons this thread, I will be selling trancripts to board members at a 10% discount).
Cheers,
tt
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