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| victoria |
Posted - 06/07/2006 : 18:10:27
I know that Dr Sarno in previously books had said fibromylagia was extreme tms. Did he back off from this statment in hist new book? I had a little trouble understanding this.
I feel as though I had worked at this, did pschotherapy, read his books (stop re reading them, obviously that's a problem) Have been diagonosed with osteo, a touch of fibro. ( I really want to deny that part) The pain seems to get worse as well as anxiety. |
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| carbar |
Posted - 06/16/2006 : 21:51:06
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Car, I don't understand, did you apply tms to your allergies? or did they not resurface because you were working on the tms for your joints? Miche ]
Dear Miche,
Sorry this is coming late in the discussion. I think it was a combination of both. Definitely a shift in perspective that was responsible for being able to feel more in control of my health.
I guess as I saw TMS thinking was responsible for my arm pain, I could then see that other pain was related to TMS. Therefore, I was more aware of my unconscious funny business and not letting it affect ANY body parts.
Hope that's helpful. Believe in the TMS "diagnosis" was critical to having faith in myself that I am a healthy being and that alergies coming on all of a sudden doesn't necessarily make sense.
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| Susie |
Posted - 06/15/2006 : 07:42:50
Miche, I never got the head scan. By the time it came to that, I had such a mistrust in doctors I became argumentative to their suggestions. They were so unable to affect any change in my condition that I just lost hope and trust. I took antihistimens, decongestants,and steriod nasal spray. I used the spray religiously. They all seemed to work for about a week and then lost potency. Each day I would hold out to try to decide which to use. It was pitiful. I did the saltwater flush for 3 or 4 months.Then I realized I felt pretty much the same if I did nothing. I guess I just decided to live with the condition. It seemed to ebb and flo which, by the way, lots of tms symptoms do. When I had the back attack and began working on Sarno, I realized one day that my head wasn't stopped up. I guess the pain was so much worse than the head discomfort, I hadn't immediately noticed the improvement. Probably my brain decided that pain was alot better distraction for me than sinus. Anyway,all my symptoms left along with the pain. The sinusitis had lasted well over a year. When it left, all my energy and vitality returned. Also, no more circles. Well, maybe a few as I am a little older. |
| miche |
Posted - 06/14/2006 : 20:40:04
By the way Susie, I find it fascinating that you were able to apply tms to sinusitis and win, what an accomplishment, good for you!!!!! |
| miche |
Posted - 06/14/2006 : 20:38:06
Susie, what did they find out on the mri? I gather you never had the surgery, this was suggested to me also after a cat scan which found some infection last year, was given a strong antibiotic for a month's time, I think it was Tequin, anyhow I did not want to take an antibiotic for this long , so I did not and it went away only to come back every 3 months or so, what bothers me is the fact that infections usually don't go away by themselves once they are settled in even if the cause is tms, so you must have gone through a period of utter discomfort, how did you get on top of this? how long did it take? I finally took an allergy pill and resume the steroid nasal spray today , hate the nasal spray , it causes a lower immunity among other things, but I am going away to see my 83 year old dad tomorrow and need to function, he lives 12 hrs away, I will be back by Tuesday and look forward to your answer, sat in front of the xray machine today , just as the radiologist was ready to press the button , the power went out, I got tired of waiting for it to come back so I left, convincing myself that it is all tms and being able to get on top of everything would have saved me all this waiting for nothing, lol |
| Susie |
Posted - 06/14/2006 : 14:28:15
Hey Miche, ibs is a big equavalent symptom of tms for me. The antibiotic sure complicates stomach problems and could be what is irritating yours. I had the same reactions several times on the sinus-antibiotic thing. I would feel alot better in 3 days only to regress back into some form of sinus problems. They kept switching drugs and then suggested a mri of my sinuses. After that, they usually suggest surgery. I used to read alot of sinus message boards. There are alot of people suffering sinus as well as the people suffering pain. I am convinced it is all the same thing. |
| miche |
Posted - 06/14/2006 : 13:37:44
Ran out of room, anyone has an opinion about every day anxiety as a cause would love to hear,was also holding my breath for years, shoulders always hunched up, caught myself so many times, maybe the muscles shorten after months of tension, it felt like I could not breathe right if I lowered my shoulders, also I meant translate from French to English for the jokes |
| miche |
Posted - 06/14/2006 : 13:27:46
Thought I would share this with you all and get your thoughts on the subject, I read in my fibro book that tightness in the neck or in the face) can restrict the fluid in the nasal passage, that in itself could start an infection, also read about a condition called LPR , WHICH IS CAUSED BY ACID FROM YOUR STOMACH TRAVELING UP TO THE THROATH AND NASAL PASSAGE, IT IS CALLED SILENT REFLUX , most people who suffer from this condition do not experience hearburn , however according to all the research that I have done on the subject it only takes minute amount of acid to cause the problem, and is often caused by a hiatus hernia, I was told a long time ago by a gastro doctor that my stomach pain was caused by my back muscle, despite the fact that I have a history of ulcers, reflux and hiatus hernia, seems to me that it is all related to tms and body bracing, whether it is sinus, hernia, or fibro. I have been on antibiotic for five days now, the last two days, I went from complete blockage to constant sneezing , the doctor sees no sign of bacterial infection, he said it could be that the amoxil has done it's job or the sneezing comes from allergies, yet I was not sneezing when this started two weeks ago, all so complicated, I am still as white as a ghost, feel weak and shaky, my muscles are as tight as a board and my stomach is killing me, mind you I HAVE BARELY HAVE HAD THE STRENGHT TO GIVE MY OTHER PROBLEMS MORE THAN A FLEETING THOUGHT, yet I know that Ihave a problem as I have not open a bill in two weeks, gone to the bank to check the state of my finances and have not step in the basement since either, that place gives me the willies and I cannot shake the notion that it is bad for me , you are probably shaking your head by now wondering where I am going with my ramblings, I used to say when I translated a joke from English to French and people could not see the humor that it sounded better in French maybe that is the case here , I could explain better in French lol, good excuse when one is not making sense anyway, bottom line I believe it is all tms yet I am inclined to think not in terms of oxygen deprivation but more as a chronic tightnening of all the muscles caused by long term anxiety, all my problems started the year my husband of thirty years and I divorced, that same year my mom died, my house burned down spent Chrismas in a hotel, I totaled my car, guy missed a stop sighn, he was driving a pick up truck when he sideswept me, a month later I got fired when I refused to entertain my boss,( no union ) and I did not want to work for the jerk after this anyhow, this was the beginning of waking up with my fists tight, not being able to turn my neck , horrible headaches and all over pain eventually, ten years of hardship followed, until this year, met a great guy, but still afraid that eventually he will get fed up with my pain so I put myself under constant pressure to act cheeful and peppy, must look good at all times also to make up for my being sick so often, so I am still tense |
| Susie |
Posted - 06/12/2006 : 17:56:14
Hi Suz, I never had allergys but had several bouts with a "virus" that didn't go away. I would feel better for a day and then it would return. I had an episode about 8 years ago that lasted months. It involved sinus trouble with other flu like symptoms that finally went away when I exhaused all medical avenues and was told they couldn't find anything wrong with me. I believed I was ok so I became ok. The last problem was 3 years ago. Severe sinus for a year. I think I remember reading that the dark circles were associated with sinus problems. I particularly remember the exaustion. All I can tell you is I think the sinus trouble inadvertainly left with the Sarno treatment of back pain. I truly believe that most chronic sinus trouble is tms. That's not to say that one cannot have a sinus infection. Miche's post sounded like an infection as her nasal discharge was colored. Mine never was. |
| Suz |
Posted - 06/12/2006 : 12:29:56
Susie,
I would love to hear more about your allergies going away doing the TMS work. My back pain has gone - had a small flare two days ago but it went within a day when i applied Sarno's principles.
My problems left are fatigue/mild acne and I have VERY dark circles under my eyes. I had convinced myself it was related to my diet and have always thought I was allergic to dairy/coffee/sugar adn wheat. When I don't eat this things - especially dairy adn wheat, my dark circles are much much better. Could these circles adn the fatigue really be TMS? If so, do I do the same thing - keep eating what i want and ignore the fatigue. I have a feeling that I have to overcome the fear and that is what is standing in my way |
| miche |
Posted - 06/11/2006 : 09:54:57
Car, I don't understand, did you apply tms to your allergies? or did they not resurface because you were working on the tms for your joints? Miche |
| carbar |
Posted - 06/11/2006 : 00:53:17
Hi! Thanks for your nice comments about my very first post in the forum.
From my own experiences, I've experienced symptoms of TMS as sinusitis. My "allergies" began to develop when I was in college.
I went to the doctor and got the requistite perscription for pills and steroid spray, the latter, the nurse practitioner explained, might possibley be harmful to use long term, but she used it for her asthma and it was the only thing that let her sleep at night. Dang.
The second year I had seasonal allergies, I went as far to have them stick a little camera up my nose to proclaim that I had a deviated septum(right term?), which was the cause of my allergies. When I asked the doctor whether I was born like that or it developed, he admitted that I was born like that. The reason he gave for why now it was affecting me seasonally? That really nasty "sinus infection" I had in December (right as I was finishing my last class for my degree...) for which I took antibiotics. Doc explained: That one infection must have triggered sensitivity in my sinuses, which the deviated septum complicated.
Good lord, that made no sense then and makes even less sense through the lens of TMS. And, since I was reading Sarno in Novemeber and have been recovering from tendon pain ever sense, I've weathered allergy season better than I have in 4 years. For the first time, I took NO drugs/sprays, and only had mild symptoms on those crazy days when the pollen coats the cars green and you can see it swirling.
Amazing how our bodies just want to find more outlets for TMS.
Personally, I would recommend again using the steroid nasal spray, not coz of my RNP's glib comment, but because from personal experiences I found it dried out my nostils. Also, because it is so strong it always made me feel my symptoms really badly if I skipped a day. So, better not to get started. I still have it in my medicine closet and there was a day or two when I really had to resist using it coz I remember how well it works.
Be well,
car
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| Susie |
Posted - 06/10/2006 : 19:32:57
Miche, If the mucus is yellow I would take the pill. |
| miche |
Posted - 06/10/2006 : 09:53:25
Sue, Fox, thank you for your advice, I think that Fox is right on this one, I have been delaying taking the antibiotic for over a week now and I am getting sicker,feels like a very bad cold that is now going into my chest, the fact that I have the colored mucous (sorry) is telling me that this kind of infection will not go away on it's own, furthermore I am getting too scared to wait any longer , hard to breathe no matter how many salt irrigation I do, also I cannot stop shivering , I get a sinus infection clock work every three months, I am sure it is related to the fibro, hence tms, when the muscles in my face get so tight , from stress, it may restrict the fluid into the nasal passage, hence the bacteria has a chance to take root, this may not be accurate I am just guessing at this, hopefully while doing the tms work I will eventually be able to prevent them from occurring, fact remain that it is too settled in my body to do anything but take my meds now, thank you both again, really appreciate your input, Miche |
| Susie |
Posted - 06/10/2006 : 07:01:35
Miche, If you have never taken an antibiotic for the infection you could try it. I would personally never take one again as I am now convinced I really didn't have a bacterial infection, otherwise it would have responded to the antibiotic.People try to frighten you with brain infections the same way they try with mris and "you will never walk again". If it has been chronic for a while and you have already tried the pill thing, just try Sarno. Now, when I get symptoms,as I did this morning because we were talking about it, I remember it's my brain and the symptom goes away as it already has. |
| Fox |
Posted - 06/10/2006 : 06:45:03
Miche - of course you should take the antibiotic. Bacterial sinus infections are serious business with the chance of brain inflammation if left untreated... Sarno says it's okay to take medication for acid reflux even while doing the TMS work. He also says that it's okay to take prescription pain medication while at tha same time doing the TMS work. What would be the difference with a sinus infection?..Take the antibiotics and do the TMS work at the same time...Don't play around with a sinus infection.
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| victoria |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 22:51:19
on a CONstructive note, suz's note re sinus infections (seeming to be a large underlying theme in this forum) was very helpful to me. Getting a symptom like the physical manifestation of chills, made it obvious to me there was a serious problem. I need to review it as tms, albeit stubborn tms. Feel much more in control now. |
| Nor |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 15:13:45
Okay, now its my turn to be a party pooper. Can we please stop blanket-bashing all health professionals?? I simply can't agree that all chiropractors are "professional liars who don't understand basic physiology". In fact, I believe that most are caring professionals - even if we don't always agree with their treatment approach. We've all had bad and good experiences. We tend to hold on to the bad ones much longer. Its just human nature.
This forum is supposed to be CONstructive. |
| Susie |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 08:22:43
Miche, Sinus problems are definately tms. I had a "sinus infection" for a year. I took 4 series of different antibiotics, salt sprays,chills every night, exhaustion,flushed face,blah,blah blah. The sinus infection left with the back pain. I also had a good case of hives off and on for 6 weeks. The fact that you broke out in hives should be a good indication to you that something is emotionally bothering you. Hives are most definately tms. You always feel sick with the sinus trouble. I always had large dark circles under my eyes and would spend many evenings inhaling steam so that I could breathe. Please take heart. Treat it like tms and it too will leave. |
| n/a |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 08:02:41
The psychotherapist I was seeing suffered with back pain for years. She went to a chiropractor (professional liars who don't even understand basic physiology) for years with no improvement. But when her abusive husband left so did her pain, just like that! |
| moose1 |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 07:18:55
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Originally posted by victoria
I feel as though I had worked at this, did pschotherapy, read his books (stop re reading them, obviously that's a problem) Have been diagonosed with osteo, a touch of fibro. ( I really want to deny that part) The pain seems to get worse as well as anxiety.
For what's it's worth, I know someone who was actually bedridden with "fibromyalgia" for almost a year - this after having it for several years. This all took place while she was in an abusive marraige. She finally got divorced and the jerk she was married to moved away. Within two weeks of the guy leaving town, she was pain free and has been ever since. That was about four years ago. Sometimes it's as clear and easy as that, but usually it's not.
On page 320 of Sarno's new book, Dr. Douglas Hoffman states that "the severity and chronicity of one's symptoms is proportional to the underlying pain that harbors in the unconcious and the triggers that evoke pain." This has helped me a lot.
Moose |
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