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icelikeaninja
USA
316 Posts |
 Posted - 12/09/2013 : 12:24:52
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Hi,
I just bought this book after watching some YouTube videos where the authors list certain personality traits and habits for people who get pelvic pain problems.
Just like when I read Healing Back Pain everything stuck out and it was like they were speaking to me.
I have a regular job and can say iam not happy there and I get pains. On weekends or before bed the pains go away. They flared up really bad after I started working out again but even then I tested myself yesterday.
I do pro wrestling and decided to step in the ring for practice just because I was with the guys and we were doing what we do best.
I jumped, ran, slide, take a fall off the ropes of the ring the whole nine yards and felt no pain while doing so, my mind tried to think about them etc but I was moving to fast and if I mess up I can hurt myself and another person ie landing on our necks..
Felt 100 percent, afterwards we went to eat and the pain slowly came back. I've been reading about prostatis issues and believe mine was due to an infection that went away.
Took tons of meds and tests are fine.
I believe my focus is hypersensitive to the area and that's why I feel everything. My pains will move from my low back, to groin, to penis, to area in between all those places.
All these symptoms as well as the moving around are described in this book. But the difference is they use trigger points and Sarno does not.
How to approach this new method? The authors website describes me 100 percent.
So I ask. Is it possible to have an infection get it treated and feel residual pain? Especially given the fact this pain is moving around and basically has done so since the beginning?
**Sure I can lay down on a bed of nails and not have pain but why am I having back pain when laying down on a soft mattress? |
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eliuri
USA
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 16:01:11
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Hi there:
I've had "chronic non-bacterial prostatits" years ago. It plagued me for several years, and going to urologists made it much worse.It did subside after the muscle tension etiology of it was explained to me by a physician. She did use acupuncture to jump-start the recovery. It worked dramatically well. It does act up from time to time under stress and often seems to follow a flareup of other such conditions such as IBS. By some coincidence. I had a bad flare-up just this week, clearly driven by tension and sleep deprivation, and then I came across your mention of that book just now.
I did read that book about two years ago, and the essential premise seemed to match my own experience with this. In my own case, the pain or bizarre sensations can at times oscillate rapidly from pressure in my head, pressure in lower abdomen, and then settle down to pressure in the pelvic area along with the pain and urinary urgency. It does seem to jump around much as you point out. Trigger points in that area, as I recall, are often hard to reach manually via self-treatment. So if you tend to have a mental focus on that area, some of those techniques might even make it worse... At least I thought so in terms of going that route myself.
As to its origin with an infection, I somehow doubt it's truly residual infection . There used to be a theory that an acute bacterial prostate infection can turn into some chronic condition unless its aggressively treated with antibiotics for many months...Was later told this isn't true for the non-bacterial type-which constitutes ~90% of these cases. But that focus on it can make weird sensations take on a chronic pattern. The general area then becomes a focus of worry and is sensitized. It's probably incorrect to even use the term "protatitis" for this, though urologists seem to like this term for obvious reasons. This can be a tough set of symptoms to endure, but more often than not, its just that. A set of symptoms.
Good luck with this. Maybe I'll look for that book which I stored away somewhere..
-eliuri
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gigalos
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2013 : 10:55:37
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Originally posted by icelikeaninja
Hi,
I just bought this book after watching some YouTube videos where the authors list certain personality traits and habits for people who get pelvic pain problems.
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All these symptoms as well as the moving around are described in this book. But the difference is they use trigger points and Sarno does not.
How to approach this new method? The authors website describes me 100 percent.
Hi Ice,
Maybe it helps when I say I am pretty convinced that trigger points are mindbody symptoms. Numerous times I experienced people describing getting a warm sensation and even breaking out in a sweat when I helped them get rid of some trigger points. This, in my mind, resonates with the Sarno theory of reduced oxygen flow. In my experience, focussing on tp's does not have a long lasting effect, sometimes it makes things even worse as you are constantly focussing on symptoms.
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gigalos
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2013 : 10:56:37
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| btw, ice, could you shortlist those traits and habits here?? |
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icelikeaninja
USA
316 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2013 : 23:51:54
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Traits are in short,
Chronic depression
Anxiety
Sexual addiction with a person or over masturbation
High social status
There were so many,if you google the author on youtube they give a list. I think out of 13 I had 9.
I was half asleep while listening and it just jolted me that i almost cried just like when sarno gave me the Tms diagnosis
**Sure I can lay down on a bed of nails and not have pain but why am I having back pain when laying down on a soft mattress? |
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icelikeaninja
USA
316 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2013 : 23:53:56
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Annnndddd trigger points def are mind body syndromes. When I had chest and back pains I had a knot in my mid back for a few years. It went away after I conquered that Tms symptom.
I try to look for this knot/trigger point and its no longer there. Nothing. Been free of that pain for years
**Sure I can lay down on a bed of nails and not have pain but why am I having back pain when laying down on a soft mattress? |
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2013 : 15:07:42
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| Trigger points are not that mysterious. When a muscle is spasming (sometimes simply due to the pain), you find at nerve endings an accumulation of metabolic byproducts such as lactic acid. You can feel them with your fingers (pea size). They do irritate the nerve. You can massage them and that will give very short term pain relief. A few days later, they are back though so chasing them as recommended in the book "headache in the pelvis" is a completely futile exercise. |
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eliuri
USA
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 16:21:06
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| Aside from using various TMS approaches, there's just got to be other ways to stretch and relax those pelvic floor muscles-even internal ones- other than using that "Internal Trigger Point Wand". Way too invasive.. I see a few such exercises in Chapter 6 of the Sixth Edition of that book. Unfortunately, that chapter also goes into detail about that Wand which (if you're supposed do with it what I'm thinking...) would make matters much worse for me.. |
Edited by - eliuri on 12/11/2013 16:24:32 |
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2013 : 11:56:55
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I did the "headache in the pelvis" clinic (before I heard of TMS) and that did not help me. I see it as pain management but certainly not as a way to heal from pelvic pain.
The "headache in the pelvis" program is articulated around 50% daily meditation (so far so good) and 50% daily trigger points physical therapy (IMHO it is where it completely derails and prevents healing). I have seen people completely obsessed with those trigger points trying to find the last one (that allegedly explains all their symptoms) for days on end.
The author of that program does not believe in TMS but feels that pelvic pain is almost all due to stress that is stored in pelvic muscles. |
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icelikeaninja
USA
316 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2013 : 22:44:02
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So I've been consciously sensing when I tense those muscles and today has been pretty good.
I will take the info from the book and apply tms principles to it.
The trigger points didn't work for me when I had back pain and trust me I had tons of them.
Today was a good day
**Sure I can lay down on a bed of nails and not have pain but why am I having back pain when laying down on a soft mattress? |
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eliuri
USA
50 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 11:28:47
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Originally posted by icelikeaninja
So I've been consciously sensing when I tense those muscles and today has been pretty good.
Hi Ice:
I too can sense when those muscles are tightening. But have you fond a way to stop it when you notice this is going on?
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icelikeaninja
USA
316 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2013 : 00:53:45
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Yes I take a few deep breathes, understand this is purely muscular. I relax my core and take deep breaths visualizing all my muscles from the core down relaxing.
For the past two days my pain has died considerably. I am 100 percent convinced its Tms now.
The headache book makes me understand i am not the only person w my symptoms so it helps.
When I had Tms in my back this technique didn't work for me, it took alot of talk w my therapist to help that.
**Sure I can lay down on a bed of nails and not have pain but why am I having back pain when laying down on a soft mattress? |
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icelikeaninja
USA
316 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2013 : 15:47:25
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So my pains have died down and I experience the majority of them mostly when I wake up and it gradually dies down and flares randomly. I get the pains in my left or right groin, rectum, penis you name it. The sensations change as well burning,aching,fullness.
These I understand are indicators of Tms. But I have a question, while sarno doesn't advocate therapy other than for your head I find the headache in the pelvis stretches and advice helpful.
The only reason i mention the stretches is because people say I walk like an old man or seem like iam limping or dragging my feet.
In my life I have always been active whether in the gym or at crossfit I put my body through alot but never took time to stretch.
I feel more limber and loose after I stretch and feel like it is helping with my pains as well. I jog stretch and feel like it makes me faster!
Is this a placebo effect? I have always been "tight" in my leg areas but never paid it mind and didnt have problems but now when I stretch I have no range of motion it's like watching the seniors stretch when I was a personal trainer!!!!
What to do? I feel better and have the drive to workout again which didn't start with this book but just in general last week.
A light bulb in my head said start working out and get off the antibiotics. I can say it hasn't gotten worst if anything slightly better and more consistent.
How do I approach this. I feel for agility and performance I need to stretch but these stretches are also the "prostatitis" stretches that are recommends for the muscle in the pelvis.
**Sure I can lay down on a bed of nails and not have pain but why am I having back pain when laying down on a soft mattress? |
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 12/19/2013 : 16:39:26
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If you enjoy stretching and it makes you feel better, it is not necessarily a bad thing, provided you have the proper mindset and consider it part of a general health program.
However, it is a slippery slope. If you believe (even subconsciously) that the pain is due to "tightness" and therefore stretching relieves the pain, then it is contradictory to the TMS diagnosis.
This is why Dr. Sarno stopped prescribing physical therapy for his patients. While it may offer short-term pain relief (be it due to placebo affect or genuinely increasing blood flow to affected areas) it undermines the subconscious belief that the pain is psychogenic. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 12/19/2013 : 19:42:50
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| I had "chronic non-bacterial prostatits" and it is like being in the pits of hell. It is 100% TMS. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2013 : 19:45:29
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Originally posted by Dave
However, it is a slippery slope. If you believe (even subconsciously) that the pain is due to "tightness" and therefore stretching relieves the pain, then it is contradictory to the TMS diagnosis.
Yes Dave, BUT many people in chronic pain are severely de-conditioned and may actually require physiotherapy. |
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icelikeaninja
USA
316 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2013 : 16:05:23
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Yes Shawn,
That is my issue, I believe the stretching helped me tremendously before and after working out. I do feel myself tensing my pelvic area through out the day.
Shawn with your Tms prostatitis did the pains move around? Prostatitis is such a board term that even I have no idea what it means or what kind of pains are experienced with it.
As you can see from my post my pains are regional . I've gone through diagnosis of bacterial infections to a sports hernia.(in my head) i guess I just need to hear from people who have been there.
**Sure I can lay down on a bed of nails and not have pain but why am I having back pain when laying down on a soft mattress? |
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icelikeaninja
USA
316 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2013 : 18:26:44
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Lol stomach flu but no prostatitis symptoms...
Happened right before our Xmas party.
If this isn't even more of convincing strategy of my brain I don't know what is.
But then again denial is part of the syndrome
**Sure I can lay down on a bed of nails and not have pain but why am I having back pain when laying down on a soft mattress? |
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Anybody read A Headache in the pelvis
