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cecowe
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 Posted - 10/08/2013 : 09:21:06
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Further, there
are dozens of prohibitions and admonitions people learn in their
interaction with physicians and other practitioners, and sometimes
from family and friends, like these:
Don’t bend.
Don’t slouch.
Don’t sit on soft chairs or couches.
Don’t arch your back.
Don’t swim the crawl or breast stroke.
Don’t wear high heels.
Always lift with a straight back.
Running is bad for your spine.
Never run on hard surfaces.
Weak back muscles cause back pain.
Strong abdominal muscles protect you from back pain.
Always stretch before exercising.
If you have back pain avoid all vigorous sports
That mean to do not warmup or do dynamic stretching?
Someone are saying that 3-4 times workout per week is too much for the joints, ligaments etc. What do you think and what myth associated with TMS do you know?
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stayfit65
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Posted - 10/09/2013 : 12:19:44
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| I don't know where this list came from, but I know I work out 6 times a week, and no way am I cutting back. I like cycling and running, so I do that mostly. I do not ever stretch before a workout. I also no longer worry about the mechanics of running, cycling, etc. Have you ever noticed the spine of a professional cyc list? It is not straight . I don't give a bleep anymore about any of these "rules." I just do what I want and ignore this crap, and I am better for it. If I get a pain, I relax with some breathing and a smirnoff's and enjoy my blessings... |
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cecowe
68 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2013 : 13:34:01
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| The quote is from Dr. Sarno's book. |
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 10/10/2013 : 10:07:32
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I believe Dr. Sarno presents this list as an illustration of how we are conditioned to believe our bodies are fragile and subject to easy injury if we are not careful.
The fact is, our bodies are miraculous machines that can be pushed to incredible limits, heal completely from injury (in some cases, even stronger), and have evolved precisely for certain activities that we believe are "bad" for us, such as running.
Regarding stretching, certainly, athletes need to follow strict conditioning regimens to perform at a high level. However, there is no reason to believe that stretching prevents injuries. Such injuries happen all the time in sports despite top notch conditioning programs that include comprehensive stretching before every game. |
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GTfan
USA
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Posted - 10/17/2013 : 07:41:36
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I believe that stretching and physical therapy may have some benefits, but as Sarno has said, these things only take the mind off of the psychological and back onto the physical.
I think we, as a society, have just become so dependent on physical precautions and recovery that we really have to solely keep our focus on our minds as opposed to our bodies in order to see results. |
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cecowe
68 Posts |
Posted - 10/17/2013 : 07:46:09
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| So warm up to improve performance and records not to reduce "injury" chance. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 10/17/2013 : 09:29:29
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Originally posted by cecowe
So warm up to improve performance and records not to reduce "injury" chance.
Yes--and no, it's common sense (which is very uncommon, that's why we have so much TMS). You don't beat on cold muscles like you don't beat on a cold engine. Some injuries are real (for TMS purposes I'd guesstimate, 80% is TMS and 20% structural). If you're going out for your daily jog, start off slowly and warm-up as you go. If you're at the start line of a 5k race and look to finish on the podium, warm those muscles up with a light jog until you break a sweat, then do some light stretches to get the synovial joint fluid going and some kinesthetic awareness. Bascily don't beat on a cold engine--or body. A lot of people have been memed at this board through misunderstanding what the Good Doctor said about stretching-- thus creating more fear of movement and doing structural damage. Dr. Sarno teaches/preaches that the human body is strong--it's the collective mind that's weak.
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TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod =================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Dr. Sarno is now retired, if you call this number you will be referred to his associate Dr. Rashbaum.
"...there are so many things little and big that are tms, I wouldn't have time to write about all of them": Told to icelikeaninja by Dr. Sarno
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 10/17/2013 : 10:22:57
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Originally posted by cecowe
So warm up to improve performance and records not to reduce "injury" chance.
"Warm up" is different from stretching. |
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cecowe
68 Posts |
Posted - 10/17/2013 : 10:38:22
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| Dynamic stretches are warm up. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 10/17/2013 : 11:33:14
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Originally posted by cecowe
Dynamic stretches are warm up.
What's a "dynamic" stretch? Give us some examples, are you talking about something you'd seen in an Ashtanga/power yoga class? |
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cecowe
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 10/17/2013 : 21:42:05
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Originally posted by cecowe
Pls, don't talk by memory.
What does that mean? |
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cecowe
68 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2013 : 01:25:11
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| I mean that the last article can be an anathema for someone who is not open-minded. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2013 : 07:11:46
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Originally posted by cecowe
I mean that the last article can be an anathema for someone who is not open-minded.
HUH? What part of Bulgaria are your from? |
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GTfan
USA
84 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2013 : 10:37:58
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I know someone who is into yoga, and I'm told that the Western version of yoga is much different than the Eastern version. Here in the West, we stretch as far as we can, pushing farther each day in order to increase flexibility.
The Eastern way is geared towards "relaxing" your body into the stretch, not pushing yourself. From what I've been told, this technique along with mind relaxation techniques, can allow even unflexible people to do some of the harder yoga poses without "stretching until it hurts" like most of us do. |
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cecowe
68 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2013 : 09:32:45
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Everybody is saying how is "correct" to do some exercise but really, does it matter? Do not execute pullups with fully extended arms, don't squat like this...
It can be important for effectiveness of the exercises but how about the health aspect? |
Edited by - cecowe on 11/20/2013 09:35:07 |
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Waterbear
USA
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Posted - 11/20/2013 : 18:54:22
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Yes, good form is important because real injury can happen.
My uncle (a former power lifter ) has plenty of stories of guys who tore muscles from bad form. One guy even hurt his thyroid by tilting his head while straining at a 400 lb squat ( my uncle was the spotter who drive him to the hospital with a huge swollen neck ).
So workout, but work smart. Also good form yields better results and bigger gains in the muscles you are targeting. |
Edited by - Waterbear on 11/20/2013 18:57:00 |
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Fitness Mythology
