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gigalos
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 Posted - 08/16/2013 : 19:08:42
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In Uni I graduated on a thesis to develop a brace for hyper-kyphosis.
With the knowledge I have now, I wonder if there is a mindbody factor involved in the development of hyper/hypo kyphosis or scoliosis. For clarity, I am talking about the structural, idiopathic sort that mainly develops during puberty. In some cases it is mainly postural but it can also be or become structural with pain, thickened ligaments and deformed vertebrae.
I strongly think both kyphosis and scoliosis are closely related and share the same cause. I tried to convince my professor of that, but he laughed it away... I always was amazed that those guys tried to simulate a 3D scoliosis without ever trying to simulate a more simple 2D kyphosis. KISS was and is still not in their book (writing this I feel some cropped up emotions rise about not being taken seriously, good for me, something to work on :) ) Back to the main issue...
The understanding is still very poor about what causes structural, idiopathic hyper/hypo kyphosis or scoliosis. A very simple idea I developed from my experience with TMS is that certain muscles cramp in the body that directly or indirectly increase/decrease initial curves in the spine? What if this is all coming from mindbody symptoms?? When I read my TrP book there are numerous muscles that can cause this and as you know I strongly believe TrP's are nothing more than mindbody symptoms.
When a child hits the growth spurt, those curves start to get worse from the combination of growing vertebrae and the already out of balance pressure on these vertebrae. Moreover children that hit puberty are more prone to a lot of emotional issues, especially when it comes to looks. These puberty induced issues might even be the original cause of developing kyphosis/scoliosis.
I know this is all theory but I welcome any comments. |
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eric watson
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Posted - 08/17/2013 : 05:17:24
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| I love your theory Gigalos and I also think that when a person puts their heart to something- all things are possible to those who believe. I take you very serious, I never thought the time would be that id actually be free of the pain I had since 15. Some Drs would say I was born with the problem others said id never make it without surgery and others said id never be normal. Gigalos your not alone and were here for you. I remember reading a book about a kid born deaf and without ear drums. The Dr. told his father that he would never hear his entire life, This was like in the 30s or so and Nap which was the fathers name told the Dr. he was wrong. Now as time passed and his father never gave up on that dream. His son did go on to get his hearing 100%. A modern day miracle in science ? or a strong belief - Id say both- Dreams are made to be accomplished Gigalos. I believe with you. |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 08/17/2013 : 11:00:07
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| Yes look up Meir Schneider, a guy born blind and used the bates method. He improved to the point of being able to obtain an unrestricted California drivers license. Look him up. |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 08/17/2013 : 12:34:36
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| Gigalos I do believe your theory bc I believe that the mind strain causes reactions in the body that eventually change its structure, but what is miraculous is it seems to be able to go in the other direction too just like the two above posts indicate. |
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Back2-It
USA
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Posted - 08/17/2013 : 16:25:34
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If you think about the musculature of the body, when a body's nerves hence muscles are reacting to the "flight or flight" reflex, in all its severity, there is not a reason to think that especially developing and softer bones can be more easily bent.
I really believe my disc herniation and "mild" scoliosis" was due to this. My disc was just sitting there, edged out of its placement, not disturbing any nerves or the spinal cord, and it seemed to be right at the fulcrum point of where a head down, shoulder down, hip up and abdominal tightening would be. I was bent like a "C" to the side and a "C" in the front, turtling up with the reacting of fear learned over a life-time.
Because most of our learned behavior is established very early on, it would be interesting to test the severity of anxiety in children and teens in relation to kyphosis and scoliosis.
"Bridges Freeze Before Roads" |
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plum
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Posted - 08/17/2013 : 16:53:30
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My dear gigalos,
You have the mind of an engineer, the heart of a healer and the soul of the artist. You will ever be one of my favourite favourites. I love your theory and more than this, I believe you are right.
Building on Back2-It's comment, have you read any Thomas Hanna? Compelling thoughts and practice on all this.
Ace1 and Eric, thank you gentleman. Always so good to hear such things. Ace1, I shall research and pass findings onto my peeps with eye concerns.
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gigalos
Netherlands
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Posted - 08/17/2013 : 18:07:52
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Thanks for all your reactions guys and girls.
One has to realize that there are postural and structural kyphoses. Postural means it can be reversed by the patient himself, it is thought of by the doctors as a lack of muscle volume or tension (MBS???). With physical training of the musculature posture can improve, I think this is mainly because the child creates a more positive mind set from it. If a kyphosis is structural, the patient can't fully regain a "normal" shape of the spine and at certain locations the vertebrae have started to show "abnormal" wedging. In idiopathic cases I can only think of the reason that the shaping of the bone is influenced by the way pressure is put on it during growth. Compare it to hanging a large weight at the top of an already bow shaped growing tree. The bow shape will increase as the tree grows further.
When it comes to idiopathic scoliosis, it is more difficult to differentiate between postural and structural. There is to my knowledge no way to instruct a patient to improve his scoliosis by using certain muscles. Maybe in certain children posture does improve from training, again I think it is mainly the positive effect on the mind set if that is the case.
Once structural deformation starts, it has to be taken care of when the patient is still growing. After that it is pretty much irreversible other than that the postural component can be slightly improved. If vertebrae have become too wedgeshaped in any direction, normal posture cannot be fully attained because the shape of the vertebrae dictates the shape of the spine. Comparing this to correction of teeth by use of braces at an adult age is not far fetched. I believe a certain degree of reversal could be possible, but not much.
When adults develop a sudden scoliosis or kyphosis (and hyper/hypo-lordosis), I am almost certain it is due to TMS of muscles in the pelvis, abdomen or back. Even the unequal leg length that most of us have, can have a big TMS component. If I don't take in consideration the natural wear down of the vertebrae from aging, it is almost entirely reversible.
What is key in my opinion is that we should also focus on TMS when children start to develop kyphosis or scoliosis. That said, a small scoliosis shouldn't give anyone problems and is existing in many of us. It is therefore difficult to draw a line at which we should start treatment.
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Idiopathic scoliosis and kyphosis
