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MatthewNJ

USA
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Posted - 07/25/2013 :  11:52:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Recently Dr. Sarno's 12 daily reminders was re-posted. I read it as I had not done so in many years. Here are # 2 and # 3
-2- “The direct reason for the pain is mild oxygen deprivation”
-3- “TMS is a harmless condition, caused by mild oxygen deprivation”

NOW before you get all over my case abut the "cause" and "harmless" part, PLEASE read on:

In my opinion (I have been in the hospital needing western medicine to treat things ultimatley mediated by my reaction to my stress), it is dangerous (and could be harmful) to equate all of our symptoms with the classic case of TMS diagnosed by a "TMS" qualified Physician. I believe when Dr. Sarno created these reminders he was talking about the classic case of TMS diagnosed by himself. So folks, be careful, because my diagnosis and my treatment does not mean your diagnosis and your treatment. We are all individuals.

What does this tell me? Rule out the physical first with a qualified medical professional. And practice Don Miguel Ruiz's 5th and 3rd agreements which are #5 "Be Skeptical but Learn to Listen" (which also implies asking questions. #3 "Don't make assumptions" (That you have TMS or an equivalent)

Matthew
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chickenbone

Panama
398 Posts

Posted - 07/25/2013 :  13:20:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The problem is often that the physical cannot be completely ruled out (or you can also say that often the psychological can't be ruled out). It is simply not always a case of "either" "or". For example, with back pain, some doctors will always claim to find some physical issue whereas other doctors will say that one may have abnormalities, but they are probably not responsible for the pain. I agree that one should get checked regularly by medical professionals for obvious physical problems. There are just so many gray areas.

It is often the case that going to doctors just convinces one that there is a physical problem because most doctors think that, if there is pain, there must be a physical problem. So someone with TMS could be led down the wrong path.
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plum

United Kingdom
641 Posts

Posted - 07/25/2013 :  14:28:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Matthew, thank you love for your measured post. It is too easy to dive headlong into the comforts of what may (or may not) be an answer. Know what beast you are dealing with. A slippery fish presents a very different game to a horned mammal.

Chickenbone, have missed your sentient presence, trust and hope all is fine. And yes, you are quite right. As I mention to Matthew, elms and oaks are very different trees and it does well to know and respect that difference.
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