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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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pspa123
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 Posted - 06/17/2013 : 19:04:12
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| What's the relevance to TMS? |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2013 : 19:10:40
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like a good number of posts here, none at all.
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“Living up to an image that you have of yourself or that
other people have of you is inauthentic living – another unconscious role the ego plays.” -- Ekhart Tolle |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2013 : 19:15:00
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| Ah I see. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2013 : 19:42:16
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It is very relevant, but I don't have time to explain why right now. Let's see if you'll can figure this one out on your own. Here's a hint, "anxiety" does play some part in it.
Cheers,
tt/lsmft |
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pspa123
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Posted - 06/17/2013 : 20:14:13
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| Let me guess, Lyme Disease is really TMS and it was her belief that cured her not the antibiotics? |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 06:47:17
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| Yes totally agree |
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sue1012
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 07:24:39
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Ace, do you not believe in Chronic Lyme? That is my diagnosis (one of them)....one that sent me into a world of he*l.
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pspa123
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 07:42:20
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Let's put acute Lyme to one side, as I have seen cases of that and have no doubt there is a real infectious process going on. As a patient who heard chronic Lyme back in the day along with a host of other things, the difficulty is that as is the case with several "syndromes," almost any symptom you can name is on the list of potential symptoms, the diagnostic criteria are vague and flexible, the testing outside of the well-established mainstream labs is highly controversial, and the whole thing has become politicized. I also was under the impression, having studied it reasonably extensively at the time, that for some people, much like CFS, a diagnosis becomes a form of identity. All this is just my impression and I have no medical knowledge.
One thing that jumped out on rereading the story is that this woman said she was cured in four days. From memory, with so-called chronic Lyme, LONG courses of antibiotics are said to be necessary because the spirochetes allegedly become deeply embedded and hidden in the body. So that aspect of the story was surprising. |
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sue1012
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 08:18:00
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Pspa, I agree with everything you said. I tested highly positive from Igenex Labs, but negative on all mainstream testing. Problem is there is no definitive test. I was bedridden for 8 months and and am still housebound with dozens of symptoms. I tried 5 weeks of IV abx and some orals to no avail and then said screw it....I cant deal with the stress and ambiguity of the whole thing. That diagnosis struck major fear into me because I had a friend living in lyme hell, and I knew what a horrible disease it is. You're right, it becomes an identity for people. I am really trying to follow the advice from the pros around here to at least quell some of my fear.
Also, I thought the exact same thing about the article. No way 4 days of abx is going to cure her symptoms of 2 years. Pure placebo for sure if there was any truth to that article. |
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art
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 08:52:10
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Here we go again. I've seen dogs destroyed by Lyme. Good doggies too, from good homes, not needing distraction from repressed rage over not getting walked enough. I've had acute Lyme myself, and it wasn't fun. Both knees swelled to the size of softballs, and both elbows too (more like golf balls). Took the various tests for inflammatory illness and tested off the charts positive for Lyme. Think I got just about as high as a person can get...on both antibodies as I remember. Memory a little fuzzy on that.
Chronic lyme is likely a different story for some. But Lyme is a real illness, with effective vaccines. If untreated it can cause all kinds of havoc. They took the people vaccine off the market a few years ago, but it was definitely effective. Look for it to return.
Some of us need to put another tool or two in our tool chests, just so everything in the world doesn't have to look like a nail. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 08:52:56
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For the answer see page 107 of "MBP".
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8D7w0IUIPU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod =================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Dr. Sarno is now retired, if you call this number you will be referred to his associate Dr. Rashbaum.
"...there are so many things little and big that are tms, I wouldn't have time to write about all of them": Told to icelikeaninja by Dr. Sarno
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
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pspa123
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 09:05:51
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| Art, as I said I certainly would not question acute Lyme and there may well be chronic cases too. But from my experience the alternative medicine crowd tends to offer a lot of different "syndromes" -- usually depending on the practitioner's preference and/or what is fashionable that day - as unified explanations for symptom complexes including pain, fatigue, mood and sleep disturbance, GI issues, skin issues, immune problems, and so forth. Among the ones I have encountered personally are CFS, fibromyalgia, chronic Lyme, heavy metal toxicity, subclinical hypothyroidism, other vague hormonal imbalances, amino acid imbalances, vague metabolic issues such as impaired folate metabolism, hidden food allergies, and I am sure I am forgetting some. All of these involve expensive and controversial testing, and I have had personal experiences where the results do not reproduce. The treatments typically involve complex supplement regimes, which most of the practitioners will sell to you at a premium. Count me a skeptic. |
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art
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 09:26:06
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ps,
I don't disagree. Chronic Lyme is an easy catch-all diagnosis and made to order for "alternative practitioners" (what a swamp that whole area can be). My big quarrel is with those who insist acute lyme is psychosomatic.
My advice to anyone suffering severe inflammation which is otherwise unexplained, is to get tested by a good infectious disease specialist. If chronic antibodies are high, then it makes little sense to me not to treat and see what happens.
On the other side of the fence are those with a history of hypochondria and chronic anxiety who think they might have found the holy grail when some quack pot tells them they have Lyme.
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jaya
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 09:38:14
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Originally posted by tennis tom
It is very relevant, but I don't have time to explain why right now. Let's see if you'll can figure this one out on your own. Here's a hint, "anxiety" does play some part in it.
Cheers,
tt/lsmft
ANXIETY ALWAYS PLAYS A PART....NEVER A GOOD ONE.... |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 10:10:29
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quote:
Originally posted by jaya
quote:
Originally posted by tennis tom
It is very relevant, but I don't have time to explain why right now. Let's see if you'll can figure this one out on your own. Here's a hint, "anxiety" does play some part in it.
Cheers,
tt/lsmft
ANXIETY ALWAYS PLAYS A PART....NEVER A GOOD ONE....
I highly recommend the Mel Brooks movie "HIGH ANXIETY", very FUNNY!
Cheers,
tt/lsmft |
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gigalos
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2013 : 10:58:52
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| thanx for the movie tip Tom, added it to my list to watch |
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chickenbone
Panama
398 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2013 : 11:06:10
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I had Lyme disease. Two of my horses and one dog had it also. One of my horses almost died from it. This is a real disease. I was fortunate that I immediately developed Bell's Palsey and had a huge bite on my leg with a really angry-looking red ring around it. I also tested positive but not remarkably so. There was no question that I had it. I was on antibiotics for a month and then never had any problems with it since. I also knew 2 people who ultimately died of it. I lived in western PA at the time and we were over-run with the deer who carried it, all because of the stupid animal activists groups! Just about everyone I knew who had a horse or owned a stable got it at least once.
However there are those with TMS who are convinced that they have it or were never properly cured of it. It is a very treatable disease. I can easily imagine someone might feel immensely better after 4 days on antibiotics. Either this woman had a remarkable placebo effect or she really did have Lyme.
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icelikeaninja
USA
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Posted - 06/19/2013 : 15:30:03
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My mom has ms, with lesions of plaque on her brain and all.
For about 4 years it was progressing. Her last two mri's revealed no new lesions or symptoms.
You would not know she had ms unless she told you. What I find interesting is that she drinks,smokes,eats badly.
I know people who are so health conscious and have such bad ms symptoms.
Imagine feeling horrible pain when somebody hugged or shook your hand?
Dr.Sarno told my mom years ago he could not help her, who knows why really. I do not know if he gave her an answer. Either he thought/thinks ms couldnt be tms or my mom was not fully receptive to the idea of him telling her it could be tms.
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