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Sylvia
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 Posted - 05/29/2013 : 14:15:45
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Stage 4a cancer in 65 year old male, no other health problems
Squamous cell Cancer inoperable, PET scan shows edge to edge growth in cheek, 3 lymph glands also have cancer.
In 2 days he will have most of his teeth out, then heal, then 7 weeks of chemo and radiation.
Is this usually containable and survivable? Or does this have poor odds of beating?
Thank you Ace |
Edited by - Sylvia on 05/29/2013 15:22:26 |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 05/29/2013 : 18:32:05
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Hi sylvia,
It's about a 40% cure rate with the chemo radiation at that particular stage. So it is definitely worth going through the treatments. However as I said before, I'm pretty sure the basic cause of the cancer is the same as TMS. Therefore, it may be helpful, if he is open, to work on the TMS aspect of things also. I believe is it very hard to reverse the psychological causes when your that far along, but it is possible and worth a try at least. If he has any TMS equivalents, he can use them as his coach to help guide him in the psychological treatments. I wish him and your family the best during this difficult time. Tell him to not give up hope, don't let the diagnosis of cancer consume him, and encourage him to believe with all his heart that he will be among those healed. Let me know if you have any other questions |
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jegol71
USA
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Posted - 05/29/2013 : 19:39:45
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| What a beautiful response. Sending love to you, Sylvia. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Sylvia
199 Posts |
Posted - 05/30/2013 : 05:21:18
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Thank you Ace, I KNEW you'd come through for me.
This guy is a mule. He has no tms, and he has energy that he can go and go and go, it balances my 80 year old functioning.
Do you have a collection on anecdotal tips and trick that aint of course scientific, but you think may have some merit to minimize treatment side effects or help cancer slow/stop/reverse.
Like some walking the two days before the chemo crash
A low fat vegan diet
etc...
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Sylvia
199 Posts |
Posted - 05/30/2013 : 05:50:34
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| Thank you TT and Jegol. |
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art
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 05:51:42
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Sylvia,
I've a friend who out of the blue...one day he felt great and the next he was on the floor writhing in pain...discovered he had stage 4 kidney cancer. Very small chance of a complete cure as I understand it, with something like a 93 percent mortality rate within 5 years. He's coming up on that now and doing really well. Tumors have shrunk to almost nothing. At the rate he's going old age will get him first.
Main thing is he's got a resilient, upbeat attitude. Perhaps because of this...or partly because of this...he tolerates his weekly chemo quite well. He's working and participating in all aspects of life. With your husbands toughness and drive, he's already ahead of the game. From what I've seen both in family members and friends (cancer seems ubiquitous these days) attitude plays a major part in how it all plays out. |
Edited by - art on 05/30/2013 05:52:33 |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 09:09:46
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| I dont think diet has any bearing unless it plays a role as a placebo. Exercise is good because it helps with tension. Really the main things are the psychological issues that I believe could help him on top of his standard treatments. I remember you once mentioned that you had a strained marriage, this may be part of his issue, but because if he is as tough as you say on the outside, you might not see it. He may not be as tough on the inside as you think and maybe he needs love (both of you do). Tough people never show that they need love, but they need it as much as everyone else if not more. (Usually they had a reason from their past to be that way). Remember you cannot compare your tms symptoms to that of someone else. Everyone manifests their tms differently. So he may have a lot of energy, but be plaged by heartburn, headaches etc. He may have minor aches that he ignores etc. This is what I mean by tms equivalents. I believe the list I have compiled may be of use to him. |
Edited by - Ace1 on 05/30/2013 09:11:45 |
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1koolkat
USA
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 11:19:27
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| Sylvia, check into www.Gerson.org. 50% cure rate for many cancers. Not easy, but doable with help. Also, Dr. Burzynski. Don't know if he's still treating people with the crap the FDA handed him. There's a Netflix video of him and what he does. Hope this helps. Kat |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 11:40:15
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| I had a friends dad go to dr burzinsky and did no better than if he had not. The other diet seems like a bunch of hokus pokus to me. These people come up with figures of cure rates that are not backed up by anything and if it does work, it has to be a placebo. I have NEVER seen one person achieve this results by special diets and i have seen a lot of people with cancer. What's good is Sylvia's husband already has about a 40% cure rate by standard treatment and this is proven by studies. This is as compared to the 50% which is not proven. I think if the psychological work is done right, it can only add to his well being. |
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jegol71
USA
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 12:30:59
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Ace,
I know your take on books, but if you were to write one, I see it forming around your expertise as an oncologist: debunking the charlatans people succumb to while reiterating - nay, declaring - the vitalness of emotional healing along the allopathic medicine trajectory for cancer patients.
People are at their most vulnerable with a cancer diagnosis, and out of fear can approach healing like a blunderbuss, literally doing everything they can, straining to become people they're not if only to appease whichever charlatans are treating them., all at once. They include relaxing as part of their protocol, but wind up struggling to fit relaxing in with all of their vitamins, tinctures, nutrition shakes, primal scream retreats, tong ren acupuncture dolls and on and on and on into a collection of placebos (or not) that interfere with each other, which becomes the opposite of relaxing.
I hope this doesn't stand to hijack Sylvia's thread, but rather to be written in the service of her husband, who would likely benefit from such a book of straight talk that, even if not able to convince one of treating their emotional health, could separate the wheat from the chaff as to how placebo treatments work, and maybe help people save a lot of money. |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 13:08:29
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Jegol,
Thank you first of all for your kind words and faith in what Im saying. Your post really resonates a very deep understanding about what the cancer patient goes through.
Yes maybe one day I will write a book on this type of approach, I am still gathering information and when I feel I have reached a plateau in my understanding and helping others I probably will. The problem is that eventhough I think I understand the basic cause, most are not willing or able to do the psychological work and reconditioning. Even if they are motivated, it is hard,(just like a severe case of TMS). How do I help these? (maybe I cant, but Im still trying to understand).
My take on TMS books is just based on the fact that the vast majority of TMS books replicate the information in Dr. Sarno's book, with no or very little new helpful information. I see so many people on here just buying more and more books that dont contribute to their recovery. My book, if I wrote one, would have to be different, helpful, not only for recovery but for understanding. Some people (or maybe just one person) on this forum think Im on this forum so I can later write a book and get book sales- this is far from the truth and I would be tempted to not ever mention it on here if I ever wrote it for that very reason.
Thank you for your message |
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balto
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 14:48:51
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Hi Sylvia, wishing you the best.
The article in the below post maybe of some help or encouragement.
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7668
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience. |
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art
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 14:59:26
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Originally posted by Ace1
Hi sylvia,
It's about a 40% cure rate with the chemo radiation at that particular stage. So it is definitely worth going through the treatments. However as I said before, I'm pretty sure the basic cause of the cancer is the same as TMS.
Ace, how do you fit certain genetic advances in understanding, treating, and even predicting cancers of different types into your strong sense that cancer is caused by the same things as TMS. (People should understand of course that this does not mean that cancer *is* TMS.) As I understand it, based on Angelina Jolie's genetic profile, she had something like an 85 percent chance of developing cancer of the breast.
Of course that 85 percent must be theoretical, they can't follow populations around in big longitudinal studies to see if those numbers are borne out in reality.
All the respect in the world for you Ace. Takes courage to buck something as powerful and monolithic as the medical establishment.. |
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Sylvia
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 16:32:09
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Ace, this feeding tube nutrition is a bunch of bull****!
http://www.alternet.org/personal-health/sick-patients-are-pumped-full-feed-tube-formula-corn-syrup-thats-produced-nestle?paging=off
CAN I MAKE MY OWN?
Likely the first two weeks of chemo/radiation he will be able to swallow, then likely 5 weeks of the stomach tube for the duration of treatment maybe longer.
What can't I make the liquid? My Sams club has a Blentec that will absolutely liquify all his normal meals. I'd add coconut oil though to every meal for calories. Also simplest to digest fat. Add gelatin too.
Why not do this?
It is insanity to give such awful nutrition and expect resolution and healing. |
Edited by - Sylvia on 05/30/2013 16:41:31 |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 17:38:53
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Art, obviously I can't explain it all, if I said I could, I'd be full of it. Somehow I wonder if the gene somehow mutates with stress and is the passed down in the family and you then become very sensitive stress bc of the gene passed down from your parents. I wonder if this could be reversed and the perpetuation of this gene can stop with correct treatment. I really don't know for sure, but I have this suspicion. Just like dr sarno observed certain things in his practice that made him come up with is conclusions, this is what I am seeing. I think most of you who know tms first hand would come to the same conclusions if you were in my place. For just a few examples, tms almost always precedes the cancer dx in most cases. Cancer pain behaves just like tms, believe it or not with pain in areas where there is NO cancer. Stories such as like Dana Reeves where she was a young never smoker who died of lung cancer a few months after her husband died. We are up against a lot more with cancer than with just plain tms just as art and jegol have mentioned already.
Sylvia. Don't let that article on tube feeds scare you. Ones body is extremely efficient at getting rid of the "junk" and keeping the good. It's just temporary and I don't think it will harm him. I'm not sure if the stuff you mix together might clog the tube up. |
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pspa123
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 17:44:49
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| Do you believe cancer in young children is TMS, a TMS equivalent, whatever the right term is? |
Edited by - pspa123 on 05/30/2013 17:58:23 |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 19:01:00
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| Pspa, your question is very similar to the question is the eczema in my new born child tms? My son when he was born had eczema. This sets forth two points. First, it cannot be from a deep history of psychological trauma. Secondly if we use the concept of strain then it is possible to occur in someone or something (dogs etc) that does not have a past. My son had somewhat of a more strained temperament when he was born. Imagine this type of temperament, what kind of reaction will this get from most parents? This reaction feeds the strain etc. Strain is a deeply felt thing that is hard to explain or just see clearly in others sometimes. I hope this answers your question. |
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abundance72
Australia
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Posted - 06/01/2013 : 08:11:43
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Hi everyone, my mother has just been diagnosed with breast cancer and is going to have to get the lump removed, we're not sure at this stage whether it will be a lumpectomy or a mastectomy. She is very fearful of losing her breast at this stage. I have been researching alternative treatments over the internet and have come across two interesting treatments that I have never heard of but seem promising and people that are using these treatments are swearing by them. Ace do you or anyone know of any of these treatments? They are Black Salve paste and Cannabis Oil. I would appreciate any information if anyone can help out? Thanks 
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tennis tom
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pspa123
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Posted - 06/01/2013 : 10:00:56
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Tom you have often debunked mainstream medicine. Sites such as quackwatch are quite mainstream, rejecting anything not proven in a randomized controlled trial.
Interestingly, quackwatch includes a TMS questionnaire on its list of dubious diagnostic tests, but does not elaborate.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/tests.html |
Edited by - pspa123 on 06/01/2013 10:55:13 |
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Ace, help me with your expertise please
