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GTfan
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 Posted - 04/18/2013 : 13:45:50
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I have continued progress in my TMS recovery from my groin pain, but I feel like as soon as my groin pain is gone my focus will be on my TMJ pain.
When my TMJ first started about a year ago, it came on to the point of excruciating pain. I finally figured out what it was and started wearing the nightguard that I was supposed to be wearing for teeth-grinding. The pain lessened but was still uncomfortable. Now I feel like the pain is at its worse when I'm lying down and there is no groin pain.
Is TMJ considered a form of TMS? The dentist has said that I have definite signs of teeth grinding have had tooth pain issues before from ground down enamel. The night guard definitely lessened the pain, but I was wondering if I accepted this a form of TMS maybe I could elminate the pain altogether?
You’ll fall down, you stumble, you land square on your face. And every time that happens, you get back on your feet. You get up just as fast as you can, no matter how many times you need to do it |
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 04/18/2013 : 19:34:54
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TMJ is TMS. If you take the J off the one and put it on the other, take the M off that one, and add it to first one, you have TMJS. It may sound confusing cause it is.
Stress causes us to grind our teeth at night, and also clench while we are awake. But TMSJ can begin suddenly like all TMS, acutely, Phase 1 TMS). It often comes from seemingly nowhere as the bloodflow suddenly reduces what seems like randomly (Bell's Palsy, cramps, angina--all hypoxia, blood flow events). But the brain usually goes where there is focus or suggestion. So it can come after a dentist visit, or an argument with the spouse. Same thing---both are like pulling teeth.
I had a friend whose TMJS started after he got off the witness stand at a huge trial. Who knows what the brain is thinking? It has a mind of its own.
A night guard won't stop TMSJ. It only stops the teeth from grinding together. You can't stop jaw clenching with a guard, the jaws still clamp against the device. The only thing that matters is if the person thinks the guard stops it, then it does.
If you accept TMJS as TMS, then you do reduce it. Through awareness we are healed.
Steve
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GTfan
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2013 : 09:02:48
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Ok, so first step is accept TMJ as TMS. Should I try to not clinch my jaw throughout the day? Or is this just a classic TMS approach where I focus on my emotional issues and try not to do anything physical to stop my pain?
You’ll fall down, you stumble, you land square on your face. And every time that happens, you get back on your feet. You get up just as fast as you can, no matter how many times you need to do it |
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2013 : 10:31:03
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Don't "try not to do something" that's TMSing. The idea is to never think about what your body is doing. The whole concept designed by your brain is to keep you thinking about an area or "state" of your body like a cold, or sneezing, or allergy, or sinus infection, etc. Anything your brain can imagine, it can do. I call it "Bodylock." The mind glued to the body's state, to hold down anxiety,
It's chosen your jaw for any host of reasons, possibly due to a trigger such as clenching. But if you try not to do something you fall right into your brain's strategy by obsessing further. Deny it it's food which is attention. It's tough to do because it has chosen something that you can't ignore, but that's where part of the hard work comes in.
Stay focused elsewhere with activity, music, a secondary transparent mechanical act, etc. You also need to reduce the tension through relaxation and soothing and possibly affirmations. Stay physical but don't live in your head. One of the main problems with TMSers is that they live inside their heads. They need to become more physical, and with less "stinken thinken."
Slow the mental chatter.
If you just relax without doing the emotional work it tends to return. Think about why you are TMSing, never about the body.
If you just simply listen to music or write or talk, tension often fades. People will lose their pain by talking to me. It's all about expression.
You need to say something to someone, and your jaw is doing it for you. But you can't say what you want, so you bite your tongue, or in this case, clench your jaw, to keep from expressing anger or frustration.
Say what you need to say, even if to yourself. Express your TMS away.
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tmsjptc
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2013 : 11:11:37
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| SteveO, I don't mean to hijack GTfan's post, but I just wanted to say I'm glad to see you posting helpful advice, again. Although I consider myself at the tail end of the healing process, I enjoy still learning more about how all of this works. To that end, I bought your book and am almost half-way through it. It is an incredible story and I am glad you documented it. Tom |
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2013 : 12:52:43
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Hi Tom, that book will test your understanding. Truth is indeed stranger than fiction. I'm happy to hear that you're at the tail end of the journey. I just did an interview on "the end of the trail" and how it lingers for what seems like forever. Also some people have healed and don't know it yet. A perfectionist sees life through a prism of corrupted memory, and so never quite understand when they have won. They feel they never should, or aren't worthy of peace, and so won't accept it.
For me it was a spiritual journey of light against dark. But it doesn't have to be. People heal no matter who they are.
Where are you Tom? I want to start meeting more people as I begin this new tour. I've been busy but I want to make my book successful enough so that I can go back to working with people one on one again. That's the most powerful moment to be in. I have an interview with Emmett Miller in a couple minutes, gotta go. I'll try to check back but I'm never sure. Contact me.
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tmsjptc
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2013 : 14:43:00
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| SteveO, I sent you an email. I live in SoCal. Tom |
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gailnyc
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2013 : 15:17:49
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Originally posted by SteveO
Hi Tom, that book will test your understanding. Truth is indeed stranger than fiction. I'm happy to hear that you're at the tail end of the journey. I just did an interview on "the end of the trail" and how it lingers for what seems like forever. Also some people have healed and don't know it yet. A perfectionist sees life through a prism of corrupted memory, and so never quite understand when they have won. They feel they never should, or aren't worthy of peace, and so won't accept it.
For me it was a spiritual journey of light against dark. But it doesn't have to be. People heal no matter who they are.
Where are you Tom? I want to start meeting more people as I begin this new tour. I've been busy but I want to make my book successful enough so that I can go back to working with people one on one again. That's the most powerful moment to be in. I have an interview with Emmett Miller in a couple minutes, gotta go. I'll try to check back but I'm never sure. Contact me.
Steve
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2013 : 15:44:14
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The interview with Dr. Miller went well. He may have not known who Dr. Sarno was or what TMS meant before, but he certainly understands and agrees with the entire concept. He was one of the first mindbody MDs in the country in 1970, if not the first outspoken one.
O. Spurgeon English, MD, and Ed Weiss, MD, put out a book around 1940 called "Psychosomatic Medicine" that began a modern movement, and Georg Groddeck, MD, who died in 1934 used mindbody healing to great success where medicine had failed. So the roots are buried everywhere. Dr. Sarno often spoke of Alexander and Charcot and Cannon, etc. All true pioneers.
Tom from SCal I didn't get an email. Check to see if it went.
Gail I am starting a book tour but I don't know how much travel is involved. They seem to think in today's technology that much can be done via phone and local TV affiliates. So I don't know where the wind will take me. I enjoy working with people one on one more than anything. I would like to meet some of the people who have contacted me over this past year. The ones who have asked for help have been very kind and nice people. The greatest thing about writing a book has been meeting the people.
I try to answer all email. But I don't know if I'll be able to soon, it grows more each week.
Tom in NCal, tennis player, are you still out there? I hope you are well and that your balls always land in bounds. Keep helping people.
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tmsjptc
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2013 : 17:21:13
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| SteveO, I tried sending the email via the link in your profile page on this site. Don't know why it didn't go through. I just went to your paindeception.com site and sent you an email through the "contact" link. Hope that works. Tom |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 04/20/2013 : 18:38:57
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Originally posted by SteveO
Tom in NCal, tennis player, are you still out there? I hope you are well and that your balls always land in bounds. Keep helping people.
Steve
Hi SteveO,
Or maybe I should be saying "high", since I just popped a couple of Tramadols left over in the med cabinet from a prior experiment with pain killers. I was wondering what you thought of the following quote from a thread here from Lorimer Mosely, posted by Mala. I'm definitely not an addictive personality type (to drugs that is), but this quote lead me to think what the hell. I've got some Vicodens left over from some root canals too that I've been saving for a rainy day. I'm gonna' maybe do some experimentation as long as it doesn't throw my hand/eye coordination off too much.
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"...Respect opiates — but don’t be afraid of them. All of this suggests that a more enlightened, progressive approach to medicating pain is also required.
...Patients and doctors alike shy away from the powerful pain medications for fear of their addictive properties. Due to simplistic, obsolete views of how pain works, a widespread attitude that pain should be tolerated instead of treated, and a fear of drug addiction that verges on the hysterical — and is irrelevant to rational, medical treatment of serious pain — countless people are deprived of medication that could not only relieve enormous suffering, but actually serve to treat serious chronic pain conditions by helping to interrupt the vicious cycle of fear and pain.
...if you believe that you have a problem, you will definitely have one."
http://saveyourself.ca/articles/pain-is-an-opinion.php
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Thanks for stopping by to help some folks with the Good Doctor's and your TMS "KNOWLEDGE PENICILLIN"!
Cheers & nap time,
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Edited by - tennis tom on 04/20/2013 20:49:58 |
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