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chefjen
USA
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 Posted - 04/09/2013 : 16:06:38
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| I have only posted once. I have been experiencing a great deal of pain and started thinking the TMS way. Since, I have lost all function in my Achilles, side of my foot and calf. This scares me as I do not want to have permanent nerve damage...so I had an MRI last week and it showed L5, S1 herniation and doctor suggested a cortisone shot. I am miserable!! And do not know what to do. I am not functioning as the person I was 5 weeks ago..the foot/calf/Achilles has been weak, not functioning for 3 weeks. I am scared about a steroid injection not working and I am scared to loss complete function those areas. Any words of wisdom? |
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chefjen
USA
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Posted - 04/09/2013 : 16:08:17
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| I forgot to mention that I am still having buttock pain and low back pain. I also took a steroid pack last week that didn't seem to help... |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2013 : 16:26:00
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| Forget the steroid injection in my opinion. The results never last if it works at all. Follow advice on my keys to healing and be patient. |
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gailnyc
USA
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Posted - 04/09/2013 : 16:34:25
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I am really confused as to how an L5/S1 herniation could affect your Achilles tendon.
Are you anywhere near a TMS doctor? |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2013 : 16:40:26
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| Nerve root compression. Not saying thats what the op has but it seems a plausible theory. |
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chefjen
USA
20 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2013 : 16:41:41
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| The doctor says that the herniation is sitting on a spinal nerve that sends signals to the outside of the foot and Achilles. No, I am no where near a TMS doctor. |
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chefjen
USA
20 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2013 : 16:43:01
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Yes, nerve root compression is what they are saying, and I have the typical symptoms for that.
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2013 : 16:59:03
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| Personally and i am not a doctor with a clear match between finding and symptom, and a pretty benign suggested treatment, I would try the shot. But i am probably in the minority here because i think some problems do have a physical component. Just my personal opinion. Trust your own judgment. |
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chefjen
USA
20 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2013 : 16:24:26
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| I had a steroid shot today and felt almost immediate relief in my buttock. I still have weakness in Achilles and calf and numbness in side of foot. Dr says this will take time, depending on how bad the nerve is damaged. My calf muscle is almost completely gone so I am a little concerned about that. Now that my pain is at bay I will start back with Ace's keys to healing. They have help me every night this week when I've woken in the middle of the night. I do believe I have TMS, however also believe there could be an impingement of the nerve as my calf continues to disappear. I will continue to read post and look for encouraging words to rid myself of this mess I'm in. |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2013 : 16:51:52
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| Jen, I'm not sure why but steroids in general seem to give tms symptoms in general temporary relief. Almost every type of tms thing I can think of responds to steroids. Don't let that make you think you have a structural problem or one that can't be fixed by the mind itself. Keep working on the real cure. I think the more shots you get the more it'll impede real healing in the long run. Unfortunately, and everyone who has recovered will tell you, there will be a period of time where you have to suffer and accept it for your mind to make it go away. There is no way around this. Good luck. |
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chefjen
USA
20 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2013 : 17:14:53
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| Ace, thank you for responding. Do you not think there should be Amy concern about my calf losing its muscle? That is the most alarming thing to me. |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2013 : 17:43:13
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| So your muscle has actually atrophied? What is your doctor's explanation? |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2013 : 18:42:29
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| I know dr sarno repeatedly states in his books that muscle weakness is definitely part of tms. I have not personally experienced this in someone, where someone has weakness and they work on tms and the weakness goes away. . I do believe dr sarno but I have no way to back this up. If it were me I would just treat it as tms, but I can't personally tell you what to do with this because I don't know 100%. I know surgeons are quick to say if your not operated on by a certain period of time you lose the function forever, on the other hand I have seen these people operated on and no function returns anyway. These people are not working on tms, so I can't tell if it comes back with that type of work, but I suspect that it does. I hope that helps you. |
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chefjen
USA
20 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2013 : 19:09:02
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| Yes, the muscle has started to astrophy. The doctor says it is from nerve impingement. I am supposed to give it a few days, week and see if shot helps with the nerve. My ankle is hurting now because Achilles is so weak and I'm limping. The coming days I am going to focus on the keys t healing and keep my fingers crossed that I don't have permanent damage. |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2013 : 19:27:16
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| Just one more thing I thought of. Do you think it's just weak from not using it because your afraid of the pain and bc of lack of use it has started to atrophy? If that's the case, that's not true weakness. |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2013 : 19:38:44
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| Did you have an acute injury not sure if you mentioned the history here? Are you on any medication for which these could be possible side effects, I assume you have reviewed that but I know people get achilles problems (and muscle issues) with statins for example. |
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chefjen
USA
20 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2013 : 19:48:19
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It started as sciatic pain. I went out if town armed with my Sarno nook and ready to relax. Well while out of town I obsessed about it and my calf began to hurt. I was a little nervous about playing tennis the day after returning from out of town. I got up that Sunday morning and felt a little heavy iny foot. Got to the tennis courts and started limping. I played awful because I couldn't take my mind off the thought that I was dragging my foot around. I got home and realized I couldn't come up on my toes and the calf muscle didn't pop out. It has since gotten smaller.
I will say I felt the nerve when Dr put needle in today, right in my rear. |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2013 : 08:27:50
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| Yeah it seems to be related to the nerve, not from lack of movement from fear. This is what dr sarno addresses in his book. Like I said I don't have personal experience with muscle weakness. However it seems perculiar that it got worse the more you thought about it. I can't foresee that a structural problem occurred overnight that lead to the weakness. It smells like tms to me, but like I said I don't want to steer you wrong bc I have not personally experience this. Maybe someone else on this board has encountered this and can give you some encouragement. |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2013 : 08:45:17
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| Definitely a strange case, seems to have both physical and mental components. Maybe there's something underlying going on but you have amplified it by worrying/obsessing about it? The actual muscle atrophy in such a short time does seem beyond what at least I would think of as psychogenic though. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 04/12/2013 : 09:13:52
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Hi Chefgen,
You're seeing a doctor so you're covered for the dire boilerplate structural events like tumors, cancers and all that good stuff. One thing modern medicine is good at is dx'ing real structural causes for dis-ease. Along the way it also finds things that are normal anomalies that it can dx as "maybes".
I've been hobbling around the courts for well over a decade, even playing singles in national senior tournaments and my leg hasn't fallen off yet. Play doubles instead where you don't need to run around so much.
To maintain your physicality in your bum side run in the pool or try bicycling. If it's TMS then it's doing it's job of distracting you to be looking in the mirror to be looking at your calf muscle. Keep reading your Sarno until your calf muscle gets it on a cellular level. You can always practice your serve which is the most important shot in tennis. When Thomas Muster got squished between two cars by a careless driver and broke bones, he practiced hiw game while sitting on a wood crate.
G'luck!
tt
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http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
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gigalos
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2013 : 11:28:52
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Chef,
Did you ever consider you may have trigger points in your gluteus minimus and/or piriformis?
For example:
http://www.triggerpointbook.com/sciatica.htm
or
http://www.massagetoday.com/mpacms/mt/article.php?id=14414
Triggerpoints are most often due to TMS is my opinion.
Do some investigating and see if it applies to your situation. If it does, a good therapist could help you (temporarily?) get rid of the worst symptoms. If you really want to get rid of it, work on the mind...
I hope I am right for your sake, good luck |
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