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RikR
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 Posted - 03/14/2013 : 09:40:26
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I was reading on the concept of “symptom substitution” or how physical symptoms can arise as a Red Herring to distract from an unexamined life and the need for deep personal inquiry. This is not about old repressed emotions or childhood trauma but a current life out of harmony and not living from a “True Self”
Simply some part of us is needing attention and we would rather not deal with it so our protective psyche sends the energy into the body as a distraction. A pain in the neck may be preferable to knowing you need to make life changes – both in tangible, real life things or thoughts, beliefs and attitudes. |
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RikR
USA
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 09:44:35
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Part left out
I was reading on the concept of “symptom substitution” or how physical symptoms can arise as a Red Herring to distract from an unexamined life and the need for deep personal inquiry. This is not about old repressed emotions or childhood trauma but a current life out of harmony and not living from a “True Self”
While this fits with some of Sarno’s work it is also much different. It is not about regressive inquiry but looking right now in real time about our lives and how we live them – and in thoughts.
Simply some part of us is needing attention and we would rather not deal with it so our protective psyche sends the energy into the body as a distraction. A pain in the neck may be preferable to knowing you need to make life changes – both in tangible, real life things or thoughts, beliefs and attitudes. |
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eric watson
USA
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 09:56:56
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only an opinion here but what happened to
having repressions and stressful thoughts
i had both- dealt with both, and came out getting
healed from both angles |
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chickenbone
Panama
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 09:58:12
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| I think this idea is basically correct. I believe that most TMS is not caused by old repressed memories (although it can be in some people), but by situations in the here and now. Often it is caused by some concept over which we simply have very little control, but cannot seem to accept. A really good example is the fact that none of us are immortal. Although many are convinced that if they could only find the right pills, right diet, get their mind straightened out, they can be. These people seem to need to hang on to that ultimate falsehood. This is a huge source of unconscious rage. I believe Sarno mentions this in his books. I think it is possible that I am struggling big time with this issue right now. It is like part of me needs and wants me to face this reality and part of me will not face it. And this is not depressing, it is only as depressing as we chose to make it. |
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eric watson
USA
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 10:37:38
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Originally posted by chickenbone
I think this idea is basically correct. I believe that most TMS is not caused by old repressed memories (although it can be in some people), but by situations in the here and now. Often it is caused by some concept over which we simply have very little control, but cannot seem to accept. A really good example is the fact that none of us are immortal. Although many are convinced that if they could only find the right pills, right diet, get their mind straightened out, they can be. These people seem to need to hang on to that ultimate falsehood. This is a huge source of unconscious rage. I believe Sarno mentions this in his books. I think it is possible that I am struggling big time with this issue right now. It is like part of me needs and wants me to face this reality and part of me will not face it. And this is not depressing, it is only as depressing as we chose to make it.
thats right chickenbone, acceptance can be a very powerful tool |
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pspa123
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 10:59:02
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Originally posted by eric watson
only an opinion here but what happened to
having repressions and stressful thoughts
i had both- dealt with both, and came out getting
healed from both angles
We seem to debate here endlessly the question of present stress versus repressed rage/other emotions as THE cause of TMS. I don't think there's a right answer, for any individual it could be one or the other, or as Eric says, both. |
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RikR
USA
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 11:01:15
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| Focusing on the past is another way to refuse and deny the present work |
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chickenbone
Panama
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 11:02:02
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Absolutely right, Pspa.
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pspa123
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 11:02:09
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Originally posted by RikR
Focusing on the past is another way to refuse and deny the present work
Not necessarily, at all. The past can certainly shape our reactions to present stresses, it sure as heck does for me. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 11:26:14
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This passage may be of help:
From Dr. John Sarno's THE DIVIDED MIND:
Chapter Ten: "A Family Doctor's Experience With Mindbody Medicine"
by Marc Soper, M.D.
Page 344:
"...the unconscious mind is the site of repressed and suppressed emotions. It is where the reservoir of rage lurks...I think it provides a compelling image for the origins of pain.
To summarize: Dr. Sarno has identified three potential sources for this rage in the unconscious. In each person the quantity from each source will vary.
1. Stresses and strains of daily life
2. The residue of anger from infancy and childhood
3. Internal conflict (self-imposed pressure--the clash of the id
and the superego; it also comes from perfectionsit and goodist
traits)
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andy64tms
USA
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 12:02:25
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Hi RikR, pspa123,
How about when the past focuses on you? I am chugging along very happily, and then suddenly out of the blue I get a feeling of remorse-regret of how it should have been. This is usually about an event with my past family issues, something that I haven’t thought about for years. An example of this was when windsurfing once I thought: “I wish my dad could have seen me doing this, he would have been so proud.” In reality he would have laughed at me, or said: “Why don’t you do it properly, or some double-sided compliment, he wasn’t interested.
As I address these thoughts in an honest manner (RikR’s deep personal inquiry, what did or could really happen), they diminish in meaning and effect. I give them a bit of time, but not much!
What Tom says is true for me as I once wrote in my “Look at your three Pees post.”
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7787&SearchTerms=look,at,your,three,pees.
Past, Present and Personality are all valid TMS issues. Remember it’s the past that shaped your personality, and it may be your personality is effecting your present.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Stopped Wiki Edu Program in lieu of own journalling
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years, is almost gone.
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
Edited by - andy64tms on 03/14/2013 12:03:41 |
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