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balto
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 Posted - 03/11/2013 : 08:20:42
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Hi Shawn,
I personally and strongly believe we have to make positive changes in our life and our thinking in order to heal from existing MB illness and to prevent new one from happening.
Our physical body were designed to reflect negatively or positively what is going on in our mind. How can we not get tms/anxiety if we keep feeding negative thought and producing negative emotion?
Unless our brain is defective in some way, we will suffer from negative thought and emotion.
Ace1's method is a life style changing method and I believe one has to practice it for the rest of one's life to keep tms/anxiety away.
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alix
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2013 : 11:05:02
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Originally posted by All1Spirit
It was mentioned in an earlier post that Dr. David Wise required 12 years of meditation to heal his pelvic pain. I know David personally and I worked in the area pelvic pain syndromes and this is not true. This appears to be a way to discredit meditation as having a positive effect on TMS.
It took David a long time to discover what pelvic pain syndrome was and some additional time to develop a meditation technique that healed him. If you take the time to read his book you'll see that cognitive work was also an important part of his healing. The length of time the actual meditation practice took him start having recovery was not years, he was working in uncharted territory were doctors did not believe in the mind-body effect on the pelvic floor so he pursued all the standard allopathic treatments.
All1spirit: DW suffered 28 years from, chronic pain. He was diagnosed by a PT in Chicago and her colleague, a psychologist (that taught meditation) that was Jacobson's assistant. It took him 12 years to recover. The 12 years, I heard from DW himself.
Not everything is in his book.
Also all1spirit, Wise does not believe in the Sarno theory and he adds physical therapy to the mix which introduces a great deal of confusion.
For Wise everything is about stress and muscular tension. To relieve the muscular tension you need physical therapy (to release trigger points) and relaxation. That is not exactly a theory that is endorsed by anybody around here.
I know pretty well, I did the class followed by 2 years of daily meditation. If you read my posts, you would see that I am not discrediting meditation for TMS. All I am saying that meditation (as simply a daily practice) by itself is not a path to a symptoms free life.
I am symptoms free now and I did not need any of that stuff at the end. If you feel that TM has such incredible benefits and you have the proper training, why don't you use it to become symptoms free now? |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 03/11/2013 : 12:42:35
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Ace key #23. Everything to your best should be done with peace, calmness, forgiveness and ease (WITHOUT STRAIN or WITH FUNCTIONAL RELAXATION. You need mental control to achieve this.). Some people talk, behave and function in a strained way and this is to be recognized and modified for cure to occur. Observing a video of yourself may help to clue you in on this. Also be good to yourself.
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other people have of you is inauthentic living – another unconscious role theego plays.” -- Ekhart Tolle |
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andy64tms
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2013 : 14:09:46
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Regarding the change discussion:
I took it that Dr. Sarno was talking about people’s basic personality when discussing this change. He was referring to tension, that we only have to recognize it’s there for the reason of distraction. I also understood he considered anxiety and anger would forever be with us and stated “knowledge is the effective cure” for reducing pain. (It was all I needed by the way in 2000 when I overcame my back pain).
Reducing and removing our anxiety and anger is a secondary activity if our circumstances allow, but they don’t always, my recovery was at the height of a very stressful situation that ended in walking away from lucrative employment.
I do believe we have to change, whether its habits, diet, exercise, thought process, whatever, this is the hard part that we as individuals have to decide.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Stopped Wiki Edu Program in lieu of own journalling
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years, is almost gone.
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2013 : 15:01:01
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Andy,
If your your reading of Sarno is correct, then why is it that Arlene Feinblatt disagrees with Sarno? The fact is Feinblatt voiced her disagreement because she knows what Sarno was saying and she categorically says he is wrong on this particular topic. Change is necessary because your actions and thinking is what get you here in the first place and it is changing these that will get you out.
Why are people so resistant to change, especially when the recommended changes will make one a better, more well-rounded and balanced person? Why would one want to wallow in past behavior and thinking which made them ill? It just simply does not make one bit of sense to me.
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alix
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2013 : 15:05:52
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I agree with shawn and andy. We have to change and it is Tolle that showed me the way to do it in a couple of enlightening paragraphs in the power of now. I resisted reading Tolle for a long time and boy, was I wrong. So thanks Shawn for having a thread dedicated to his work.
As many have said, you can meditate but what is the benefit if the mind chatter comes back 20 minutes later?
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andy64tms
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2013 : 15:54:44
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Hi Shawn,
I f you want to check Dr Sarno’s statement and have Healing Back Pain on page 91. His perplexing words under “Questions People ask” were “One of the more difficult concepts to grasp is the fact that one does not have to eliminate tension from one’s life.” Maybe Arlene Feinbatt did not have personal experience of “Knowledge is the cure” message like I had as I stated above, does it really matter that she disagreed with him?
Please don’t assume I am resistant to change, I have embraced it all my life. Emigrating, giving up bad habits and coming to this forum, and I am not wallowing in my past behavior. Why do you think I am resisting change I’m all for it, I agree with you, read my last sentence?
Regards
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Stopped Wiki Edu Program in lieu of own journalling
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years, is almost gone.
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
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Transcendental meditation
