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RikR
USA
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 Posted - 03/02/2013 : 06:57:59
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I believe that anxiety needs to be placed higher in the symptoms list and I also believe that Multiple Chemical/Food Sensitivities needs to be added.
Over my life I had many of the TMS symptoms – IBS – anxiety – TMJ – fibro and MCS. Never all at once but every few years my body would express another warning.
When I had MCS it was so severe that we moved 45 miles into the woods away from civilization and I eventually recovered. I was made worse by both allopathic and holistic treatments so I started my own crusade for the why of chemical/food sensitivity.
I found hard scientific research that stress allows the blood brain barrier to become more permeable and this allows in chemicals and substances that are not designed to be in the brain and those that are, are in higher concentrations than normal. There is even some research that the way the body detoxes drugs and other toxins is altered during stress.
The Israeli army wondered why a person not in a war zone could tolerate a give dose of medication but once they were moved to the front they showed signs of overdose or more symptoms....stress!!
I now believe that living in the woods and not working allowed my nervous system to calm and the MCS resolved. This is the same reason people are drug sensitive.
When we are under stress the body also releases histamines that can make us not only sensitive to foods but also cause functional gastrointestinal symptoms. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 03/02/2013 : 08:06:35
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Originally posted by RikR
I believe that anxiety needs to be placed higher in the symptoms list and I also believe that Multiple Chemical/Food Sensitivities needs to be added.
I respectfully disagree, I feel hip arthritis/TMS should top the list.
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod =================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
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balto
839 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2013 : 08:28:03
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this is like comparing running nose and fever when we have a flu. They are just different symptoms of the same disease.
emotion created MB symptoms, fear keep symptoms alive.
no fear, no more symptoms.
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RikR
USA
94 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2013 : 08:41:32
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| Simple wisdom Balto - now if we just had that fear removal magic wand |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2013 : 09:42:01
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| Yes this is why I maintain that fear is an equivalent of the disorder. You cannot force it gone. If your mental state is good, in general, the fear dissipates without you trying too hard. |
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balto
839 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2013 : 07:40:13
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Ace1, I think egg come first and you think the chicken come first.  , we have to agree to disagreed on this one. Fear or mental strain, whatever come first, which is the product of which, just elliminate both then we'll elliminate our symptoms. I still think fear produced strain and tensing. We can be tense and strain without fear, but fear always make us tense and strain.
RikR, I am no expert, we are all different, but I truly think we all process that magic fear removal wand. It just that we tmsers got stuck in this fear loop for so long, we sometime forget how to use it.
For me, the first thing I do is aware that fear is what keep my symptoms alive. Awareness of the fact that fear instructed my body to tense up and strain, fear instructed my body to continue to release stress hormone, to restrict blood flow, to trigger and keep trigger my body's fight and flight respond. And that is what keep my MB symptoms alive. Even if you don't believe fear is the fuel for my symptoms, you have to agree that fear is not a good thing for our body... So be aware that fear is destructive for us and we need to get rid of it.
Id your fear. We need to know what we're worry about, what we're affraid of, what we're fear? Your back hurt and you fear your will have permanent nerve damage? your foot hurt and you worry it will be a permanent thing? it will be chronic? it will disable you forever?... you got headache and you think of brain tumor?, you have this symptoms and that symptom and you think CFS, IBS, Candida, Tumors, Chronic, chronic..... Oh man, I'm in deep shi... Oh man this can be happenning, I have everything and now my health is doom and I can enjoy it... what the hell?.... what is wrong with me?.... what if, what if this... what if that.... You need to know what you are fearing so you can deal with it.
Reasoning with yourself, talk to yourself. What is there to worry about. It is just some pains that were caused by my negative emotion. You have to make up your mind and "refuse" to be affraid, refuse to worry, refuse to fear. Whatever happen will happen, why don't I just live without fear for a month and see what happen? Try it for a month, Truly refuse to fear, live a fearful life, whenever any fear thought come into your mind, just gently dismiss it, just float right through it, just be an observer and then go on with life.
Accept your pain, accept your situation and just live for today only. Just focus on TODAY. Don't allow your mind to travel into the future. don't let it go anywhere unsupervise because if you don't supervise your mind it will always go into the future and start to produce all kind of fears. So take control of your mind and make it stay at the present. NO future thoughts and not past thought. They are nothing but troubles.
Reverse existing fear thoughts. Positive affirmation will work wonder here. Look up Ace's post on this. The only way you don't get better is if you don't practice it daily and don't keep at it long enough for it to work.
Stop searching the net for answers. Stop Googling, stop jumping from sites to sites looking for answer or asking question. Don't race from books to books. If you read, read it slow and analyse it. Don't believe everything and don't doubt everything. Just use what make the most sense to you.
Don't look for sympathy, this will only keep you in the negative thoughts territory. It only promote the victim mentality. You have to rise above it. We have to believe in our ability to win. We have to believe we can take back control of our mind. Our mind had wandering around unsupervise for so long, we're going to take it back. If we can think ourself into symptoms then we can think ourself out of it.
Expose yourself to thing you fear. I would wear a diaper when I have IBS and go out to places I want to go. I take a walk when I have foot pain, when the pain is too much to handle, I use clutches, I use walkers, I use wheel chair. Get busy, don't sit there and feel sorry for yourself. This Balto guys, he is a self declare looser and he can get well, I can too.
Seriously Rik, I just want all of us to get better. It can be done, thousand people have been heal. Don't make MBS into something so scary. Don't search for anything so complex. Don't waste your time looking for answer in your past, don't work with your unconcious mind, it is unconcious, we have no control over it. the answer is right here, right now. Stay in the NOW, put more positive stuff into your mind than negative, take back control of your mind, don't let it cross over into that fearful future. You will be cure.
Here is a few quotes from the wise:
“Worry gives a small thing a big shadow.”
Swedist proverb
“The whole secret of existence is to have no fear. Never fear what will become of you, depend on no one. Only the moment you reject all help are you freed.” Buddha.
“You gain strength, courage and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face. You are able to say to yourself, ‘I have lived through this horror. I can take the next thing that comes along.’ You must do the thing you think you cannot do.” Eleanor Roosevelt
"Have no fear of moving into the unknown. Simply step out fearlessly knowing that I am with you, therefore no harm can befall you; all is very, very well. Do this in complete faith and confidence." Pope John Paul II
"The world we see that seems so insane is the result of a belief system that is not working. To perceive the world differently, we must be willing to change our belief system, let the past slip away, expand our sense of now, and dissolve the fear in our minds." William James
"I believe that anyone can conquer fear by doing the things he fears to do, provided he keeps doing them until he gets a record of successful experience behind him." Eleanor Roosevelt
"A man who is not afraid is not aggressive, a man who has no sense of fear of any kind is really a free, a peaceful man." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Fear is pain arising from the anticipation of evil." Aristotle
"Look not mournfully into the past, it comes not back again. Wisely improve the present, it is thine. Go forth to meet the shadowy future without fear and with a manly heart." Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
"Fear of something is at the root of hate for others, and hate within will eventually destroy the hater." George Washington Carver
"Our heavenly Father understands our disappointment, suffering, pain, fear, and doubt. He is always there to encourage our hearts and help us understand that He's sufficient for all of our needs. When I accepted this as an absolute truth in my life, I found that my worrying stopped." Charles Stanley
"To conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom." Bertrand Russell
"Let us not look back in anger, nor forward in fear, but around in awareness." James Thurber
“Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. The fearful are caught as often as the bold." Helen Keller
“Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature…. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." Helen Keller
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2013 : 11:10:58
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Dear Balto
I think in your situation you conditioned yourself to become strained or hyped up/ excited by the thought that your symptoms meant something very bad. This is because you thought these thoughts for so long that the reaction became automatic. When you changed your thought pattern about this and you knew your symptoms were not serious, you were able to cure yourself. What ever first started your symptoms probably became resolved (ex girlfriend if I remember right). I think there are definitely a group of people where this is the major thing that they are conditioned to or is a part of their problem. I have to say though in my case and many others I have helped where this is not a problem at all. We are strained/conditioned in other aspects of our lives and if we don't decondition ourselves to these perticular situations we will continue to generate tms. Remember on my keys I said the reason one is conditioned to a particular situation was because they acted or thought so intense about it for so long it becomes automatic. There is absolutely no way I would have gotten better by eliminating fear because I didn't have any. I have many patients who don't give a sh-- that they have pain and they just push through anyway, but they never get better. Let me know what you think. |
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pspa123
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Posted - 03/03/2013 : 11:20:01
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| I am no longer afraid of my neck pain, but that has not eliminated it or even reduced it really. I blame unresolved major stress issues and probably deeper trauma that I still need to work through. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 03/03/2013 : 12:22:39
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Originally posted by Ace1
There is absolutely no way I would have gotten better by eliminating fear because I didn't have any.
You have to admit, Ace, that if one fears their symptoms this fear is not going to be conducive to healing. It will act as a barrier to anything a person is seeking to achieve, including recovering from TMS. You cannot simply discount the idea that fear keeps many people trapped and in a hyped up state of anxiety and that this keeps the symptoms going.
I think that the discussion between you and Balto is one of semantics and that your respective positions are closer to one another than you are willing to admit. Balto recovered using his method and it worked. How can one argue with that fact? The central point of his long post can be found in this sentence where he writes, "So take control of your mind and make it stay at the present. NO future thoughts and not past thought. They are nothing but troubles."
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2013 : 13:01:28
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| Hi Shawn if you look at my last post I do say that I'm sure there is a group of people where this (fear) IS the major problem. In my case however it was not and I think it just depends on what you are conditioned to. |
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gailnyc
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2013 : 13:59:30
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| I love your post, Balto. It absolutely fits my situation. I am going to copy it into a text file and read it when I need inspiration, or to be reminded to "live in the now," which wow, I have a hard time with! |
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balto
839 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2013 : 18:03:58
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Hi Ace1, I think Shawn is right say that you and I are much closer than we think.
In some of my past posts I have said that all undesirable emotions is capable of producing MB symptoms. I often compare negative emotion to temperature. Hot is uncomfortable, too hot will burn. Cold is uncomfortable, too cold will cause frostbite. Stress is uncomfortable, too stress, too unpleasant an emotion will cause MB symptoms. Any negative emotion, not just fear, will produce symptoms. Once that negative thought is converted to emotion, our body will produce the corresponding changes in our body to match that emotion. And when we already have symptoms I find that fear is the dominant force that keep the symptoms alive. Of course whatever emotion that triggered the symptoms if not remove, will continue to produce symptoms.
All negative emotions will produce stress symptoms. When the stress is chronic or intense it will produce MB symptoms. In severe case it will produce cancer, diabetic, heart disease...
Once the stress is remove and/or the mind no longer contain negative thoughts, the symptoms will slowly cease to exist, the human body is an amazing machine, it will fix itself if given the chance. The only way that symptoms remain with us I think is because of fear and conditioning.
I need to explain what I mean by fear, I think this is the part that I often failed to make myself understood and confuse lots of people. Fear in this case is not like someone jump out from the dark and we scream and run. It is not like we're being chase by a big dog. It is not like a near miss accident, it is not like we heard a loud explosion... Fear in this case is what we anticipate will happen in the future. We anticipate that our nerve will be permanently damage. We anticipate that the pain will be forever with us. We expect the worst, we fear of the future, we are hopeless we think there is no cure. If you visit some of those CFS or IBS forums, those are the most negative people in the world. They expect their condition to remain forever with them, they expect the worst, and they get what they "think" and "anticipate".
That is what I mean by fear of the symptoms. We fear the future. We fear we have to live with this pain, this symptoms forever. And we get exactly what we fear. In this case fear is like a negative affirmation. It is the exactly opposite of the positive affirmation you're recommended Ace1. That is why I often tell people to use your posted program because I believe it will elliminate most if not all their fear. And when all fear is gone, most of the symptoms will be gone or decrease in intensity. Whatever left is just conditioning that we need to work on.
Our body will be exactly what we believe it is. Our belief is the most important. If we truly believe we are well then our body will be well. If we believe our body is not well or in danger then it will not be well and will have all these dangerous symptoms. The body is just expressing our belief. It is an exact copy of our thoughts.
- So we have to elliminate fear and mental strain... negative thoughts.
- We have to change our perception about life and make it positive or peaceful as much as we can.
- We have to live in the present because the past is often upsetting and the future is scary.
- Acceptance the difficulty life handed us, laugh at danger, life is like a river. Sometime it flow straight and calm, sometime it go over boulders and down water falls. But we will all end up the the beautiful blue ocean.
- Try to elliminate the "I" and the "me". Live for others, live with others. I heard someone once said that: The purpose of life is to serve, serve others and we will find peace and joy. Most of our problems arise when we live too much for the I and Me.
Our health is being govern by either the placebo or the nocebo mentalitly. If we truly think we are strong and healthy we will be strong and healthy. If we truly think we are ill and something is wrong with our body then we well be ill and some parts of our body will be in pain.
The West often think of the placebo as something fake, something not long lasting. In the East we often try to harvest the power of the placebo effect. We will try to convert it into belief. Medicine men/women will try help patient believe in the healing power of the self.
You are what you believe.
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2013 : 18:23:30
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| Balto your right I do think we are very very close in what we are saying. Your right we have to get rid of both the mental strain and the fear of the symptoms (also a type of mental strain) in order to recover. For me the major component was the continued strain in the way I reacted to my life. I had no fear of what would happen to me. You are absolutely right though that if that was a part of my problem it would have definitely perpetuated my problem. So I guess we can both say that both issues are necessary to the person's recovery and while removing fear is necessary it is not sufficient to cure a person, right? |
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balto
839 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2013 : 18:28:35
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right Ace1.
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2013 : 19:01:36
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Alienation means you don't feel at ease in any situation, any place, or
with any person, not even with yourself. You are always trying to get “home'
but never feel at home. Some of the greatest writers of the twentieth century,
such as Franz Kafka, Albert Camus, T.S.Eliot, and James Joyce, recognized
alienation as the universal dilemma of human existence, probably felt it
deeply within themselves and so were able to express it brilliantly in their
works. They don't offer a solution. Their contribution is to show us a
reflection of the human predicament so that we can see it more clearly. To
see one's predicament clearly is a first step toward going beyond it. -- Ekhart Tolle |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2013 : 19:05:37
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fundamental difference between an instinctive response and an emotion is
this: An instinctive response response is the body's direct response to some
external situation. An emotion, on the other hand, is the body's response to a
thought. Ekhart Tolle (A New Earth) |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2013 : 21:48:13
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As usual, Balto has this right, imo...
I work with a guy who gets somewhat regular aches and pains in his back. A few times it's been debilitating.
I know it's all TMS. I've told him as much. He buys in to a degree, but he still sees a chiro, talks about bulging discs and
this and that. Falls for all of the usual cliche's random pain sufferers go for. He's under a lot of stress.
He's got a good life, but he's driven, and an achiever and takes on way too much.
But, there's one thing different about him. He's not afraid of his symptoms. He's simply not. They irritate him, but he's
never afraid. He just takes a few days off and has his wife pamper him. Or goes and gets his placebo chiro treatment and
gets back to life. He simply doesn't view it as dangerous, and he doesn't view himself as a sick person.
To me, he has a form of TMS... but it can't ever keep him down because he simply won't generate fear or anxiety about it.
I'm convinced if he took a fearful attitude about what was happening, anxiety (TMS) would work it's magic and have him
in knots 24/7. But, his symptoms pass... and he's back to life. He simply isn't worried about it.
Every single person on this board is afraid of their symptoms or they wouldn't be here. That's why the most successful
of those helping around here have continued to stress this as the number one factor to contend with.
I've yet to meet the person who posts regularly about their chronic health issues that didn't fear them. Particularly the kind
we face.
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2013 : 21:49:27
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Oh, and I agree on the strain too, Ace. I think it's a secondary issue and part of a larger behavioral issue... but you make great points as well.
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2013 : 06:38:57
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The voice in the head tells a story that the body believes in and reacts
to. Those reactions are the emotions. The emotions, in turn, feed energy back
to the thoughts that created the emotion in the first place. This is the vicious
circle between unexamined thoughts and emotions, giving rise to emotional
thinking and emotional storymaking. -- Ekhart Tolle |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2013 : 06:41:04
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The voice of the ego continuously disrupts the body's natural state of
wellbeing. Almost every human body is under a great deal of strain and
stress, not because it is threatened by some external factor but from within
the mind. The body has an ego attached to it, and it cannot but respond to all
the dysfunctional thought patterns that make up the ego. Thus, a stream of
negative emotion accompanies the stream of incessant and compulsive
thinking.
What is a negative emotion? An emotion that is toxic to the body and
interferes with its balance and harmonious functioning. Fear, anxiety, anger,
bearing a grudge, sadness, hatred or intense dislike, jealousy, envy – all
disrupt the energy flow through the body, affect the heart, the immune
system, digestion, production of hormones, and so on. Even mainstream
medicine, although it knows very little about how the ego operates yet is
beginning to recognize the connection between negative emotional states and
physical disease. An emotion that does harm to the body also infects the
people you come into contact with and indirectly, though a process of chain
reaction, countless others you never meet. There is a generic term for all
negative emotions: unhappiness. -- Ekhart Tolle |
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