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All1Spirit
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 Posted - 02/16/2013 : 06:51:39
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When looking for submerged anger do you count frustration ??
"Around and Around the Circle We Go....
The Answer Sits In The Middle and Knows..." |
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RageSootheRatio
Canada
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Posted - 02/16/2013 : 07:35:20
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Oh yes, frustration would definitely "count." Scott Brady talks about it in his book (Pain-Free for Life.) He lists the following continuum: bothered, disappointed, frustrated, irritated, ticked-off, angry, enraged.
Those would all "count" towards the reservoir of rage, in his opinion. He says, "The anger molecule (referencing Candace Pert), whether expressed or repressed produces enormous activation of our autonomic nervous system through the stress response. In fact, I've found that this buried emotion is the number one culprit in AOS* pain."
* AOS = Autonomic Overload Syndrome - Dr Scott Brady's coining of his own name for TMS. I can't quite recall why he chose to go w/ a different name. I think he's always credited Dr Sarno and had worked w/ him, and I believe Dr Sarno would even send patients to Dr Brady, (ie the ones who were in Dr Brady's geographical area.)
BTW, his continuum of fear (in his opinion, the other "biggie") lists: concerned, nervous, worried, anxious. He thinks of anything on this continuum particularly important for the People-Pleasers who are suffering from AOS. Also, he lists other (conversational) indicators of fear, such as when people might say: "I don't like that." or "I'm a little concerned about that." or "Let's not go there."
(On a side note, my own experience has been that following Ace1's Keys to Healing tends to "uncover" rages, fears, etc. with a less direct approach. Not sure if that's true for other people, but just thought I'd mention it.)
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All1Spirit
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2013 : 08:21:17
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RSR what is AOS pain
Question: when the condition causes anger how do you get out of the condition when it self feeds
"Around and Around the Circle We Go....
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chickenbone
Panama
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Posted - 02/16/2013 : 08:47:58
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| Ragesootheratio, I completely agree that Ace's Keys really do a tremendous job of releasing and letting go of bad motions like anger and fear without the pain and uselessness of confronting them directly, which never works. When you apply Ace's Keys, you automatically let go of these destructive emotions because you are creating a mental and physical environment in which they are not needed and cannot survive. I wish more people could see this. |
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chickenbone
Panama
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Posted - 02/16/2013 : 09:41:17
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Perhaps I can review what the Keys have done for me. I was in a lot of constant pain before I began using them. I began working on the first 5 the first week and began to notice a difference. The "edge" was coming off the pain. This was encouraging, so I continued to practice and read them all, but I think my path to cure was well on it's way before I had actually studied all of them. I was developing confidence and my fear was retreating. This process feeds on itself in a very positive manner.I was starting to be able to distinguish between normal aches, pains and discomforts that most normal people my age hardly notice from the crippling, scary pain that my mind produced. It is useful to remember that we all to some extent have some discomforts that are not TMS. But when our mind is up to something, usually because we are not paying attention to what it is doing, it is very possible that is creating TMS for you, either on it's own or as a add-on to a normal incidence of twinge, cramp, or other discomfort. When this unfortunate process begins, that is when we really lose it and dig up the pain's past story, tell ourselves how awful it is and project this awful stuff into the future. We end up in this loop without realizing it and it grabs our emotions. The idea, and Ace's keys provide you with all the information you need, is to nip this in the bud. And if you are living in a mentally relaxed, unstrained manner, this process is less likely to begin in the first place. This is because you will haven broken the old habit of constantly scanning your body for any slight twinge or pain you can find. With some time, you won't be thinking about pain when you first awake in the morning and it will not be the last thing you think about at night.
I continue to be pain free. I do not mean that I don't occasionally have a twinge, slight soreness or even cramp. This is normal for most people. I mean the "mind" induced pain, the TMS psychological overlay, is gone. I don't allow it in my mind and so it does not enter my body. This was not too difficult for me to accomplish.
However, I have another problem that I have come to attribute to TMS and that is trouble falling asleep. I have had this all my life since having various traumatic events in my childhood. For a long time I thought, encouraged by doctors especially psychiatrists, that I had a brain chemistry abnormality. I used a med when I lived in the US that helped a lot, just a very low dose. When I moved to Panama, that drug was not available here. So I started a low dose of sleeping pills. They worked sometimes and sometimes not (I have come to strongly believe that all sleep drugs are placebos). So recently since I was doing so much better, I decided to go for broke and get off the sleeping pills. I have also been using EFT when I detect that my brain is missing the pills. This healing process is much more difficult and is going much more slowly. I am trying to apply the Keys in exactly the same manner as I did before when I was successful in getting rid of my pain. So I have adopted a stance of "sit with my symptom (in this case, sleeplessness), don't fight with it, accept it. It is from WITHIN the symptom that you will be healed from it instead of from without. This is where the de-conditioning really happens. Before, I would fight it tooth and nail, bemoan all night the fact that I couldn't sleep and consequently feel really bad the next day. I realized that if I changed my mental attitude to the symptom to one of allowing it, giving it space, dropping the awful stories, that it is starting to be not a really big deal after all. I don't feel horrible the next day and I know I will sleep the next night because I am so tired that my mind won't, at least temporarily, bother me. I am coming to realize that the sleeplessness is more about my mental straining and anxiety than about my brain chemistry. And my new-found circumspection and relaxed attitude I learned before from Ace's keys is serving me well with this more difficult problem. I am cautiously optimistic and the "edge" is coming off the symptom. Please wish me luck. |
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chickenbone
Panama
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Posted - 02/16/2013 : 09:46:34
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| Sorry, All1Spirit, I realize that your original thread was about anger, but I think what I have described is a very effective "back door" method of dealing with it, so I don't think my posts were really off topic. |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2013 : 09:57:05
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| Chickenbone. I was thinking about you this morning and your sleeping problem. Why don't you try the following and see if it helps you? Try visualizing while lying in bed with your eyes closed. What I would like you to try visualizing is yourself asleep soundly completely at peace without any other thoughts. Try to imagine what that would feel like to sleep completely like a baby. Do this after you have done your affirmations for the night. See what happens, as you try to keep this image in your mind you might just get so tired that you fall asleep. |
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balto
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Posted - 02/16/2013 : 10:06:06
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In some acient tomb in the Middle East, coffin sometime were inscript with curses to scare off tomb robbers. One of them said:
...Let the ghost of insomnia take hold of him for ever and ever.
Insomnia is hated by everyone. People can't stand it, we fear it happen... and because of that fear, because of that hatred we keep suffering from it.
Chickenbone, you're doing wonderfully. Stop giving insomnia any value and it will leave you. Don't pay it any attention. So what if I can sleep or not. So what if I don't have enough sleep. So what if I'm tire the next day... So what, who give a .... When you no longer worry about not getting enough sleep is when you defeat insomnia. I suffer for years and years from it and that was how I got over it. Now I sleep like a baby.
Wishing you luck.
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience. |
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chickenbone
Panama
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Posted - 02/16/2013 : 10:33:40
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Ace, wonderful idea, I never thought of that. I am usually good at visualizing. Thanks so much and I will try it tonight.
Balto, I loved your quote, ain't it the truth? You are so right, I need to stop letting insomnia frighten me. Pain was not as frightening to me as insomnia and that is why this issue is so much harder for me. In fact I am going to hand write your post out on paper tonight, then laugh at the irony of it all. Just to get this into my thick head. |
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sue1012
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2013 : 15:04:31
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Chickenbone, Balto is exactly right! I got over severe insomnia by doing what he stated in that paragraph. Take away its power. You will succeed!
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chickenbone
Panama
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Posted - 02/16/2013 : 17:24:54
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Thanks, Sue. It is so nice to hear from others who have had the same problem and beat it.
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RageSootheRatio
Canada
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Posted - 02/16/2013 : 19:05:24
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All1Spirit asked:
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RSR what is AOS pain
Sorry, should have explained... AOS = Autonomic Overload Syndrome - Dr Scott Brady's coining of his own name for TMS. I can't quite recall why he chose to go w/ a different name. I think he's always credited Dr Sarno and had worked w/ him, and I believe Dr Sarno would even send patients to Dr Brady, (ie the ones who were in Dr Brady's geographical area.)
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Question: when the condition causes anger how do you get out of the condition when it self feeds
Not quite sure how to answer this, but at the moment I would probably lean towards the "mental strain" approach. Are you feeling angry in a mentally straining or intense way? If the anger is not too intense (ie not a full-blown stress reaction) then you could just allow the feeling to be there and accept that you are feeling angry and wait til the feeling fades / use affirmations. However if you are feeling like you are in a full-blown stress reaction, where you're kind of "beyond" being able to use affirmations / allowing the feeling to flow through, then I myself would use a "tool" from Emotional Brain Training ... like a chant eg.. "Do not judge. (yourself or others.) Minimize the harm. Know it will pass." or "Take a Break, Do something kind for yourself [ie soothing! don't forget the rage/soothe ratio!]; Know it will pass."
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RageSootheRatio
Canada
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Posted - 02/16/2013 : 19:19:07
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For Chickenbone: I know for myself, sometimes the same information, though said in different words can be helpful, so just wanted to throw out some different words that have helped me in the past re insomnia...
I really liked Deepak Chopra's approach (this may be different from other people's advice, but it worked for me) ... from his book "Boundless Energy" ... "If you've gotten into bed by 10 pm but find that you're unable to sleep, resist the temptation to get up and read until you feel sleepier ... instead, simply continue to rest with your eyes closed, and adopt what I call a "not-minding" attitude. This means recognizing that falling asleep is not really under your control, but is completely in nature's hands... So don't think about the process, and turn your clock to the wall. Your body will still get valuable needed rest... You may initially feel uncomfortable, but by continuing to let your body rest at this period in the evening you'll soon begin to feel much better when you wake up."
Also, I read something recently, which I haven't tried, but looked really interesting, if you're interested in visualizations:5 mindfulness techniques to help you sleep better from Buddha's Book of Sleep:
http://www.thestar.com/life/health_wellness/news_research/2013/02/12/5_mindfulness_techniques_to_help_you_sleep_better.html
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chickenbone
Panama
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 03:17:11
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| Thanks, RSR. I can use all the help I can get. The article you sent me was very good. |
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RageSootheRatio
Canada
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 07:47:46
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You're welcome, chickenbone!
BTW, going back to a different part of this thread, I wanted to point something out ... Dr Scott Brady says in his book "Pain Free for Life" - "The anger molecule [referencing Candace Pert's 'molecule of emotions' idea',] whether expressed or repressed produces enormous activation of our autonomic nervous system [ANS] through the stress response."
Note that he says, "anger ... whether EXPRESSED or repressed produces enormous activation of our ANS through the stress response."
So... he admits that even if anger is EXPRESSED and not just REpressed, that it enormously activates the nervous system. This seems to confirm the idea that even "good stress" (ie expressing emotions, as opposed to burying them) can trigger a pain response.
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