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All1Spirit
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 Posted - 02/05/2013 : 06:47:37
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| I was reading some papers by Dr. Howard Schubiner and he often states TMS or as he calls it MBS is caused by an emotional reaction to stress. Anyone have any thoughts on this – what this means |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 02/05/2013 : 17:38:07
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Hi
As I am certain you already know, the impact of stress on human health, especially very intense stress over a protracted period of time, is well documented. This can manifest in a variety of physical symptoms, some of which can be quite distressing and even fatal, such as strokes and heart attacks. We cannot eliminate stress from our lives, but there is strong and well documented evidence that with the right tools in our hands we can reduce some of its impact so that we can lead normal and productive lives.
I would be most pleased to hear what you have to say on this fascinating topic.
I wonder if all TMS practitioners, like Dr Sarno, follow a Freudian model of explaining the source of the symptoms? In other words, is it necessary to believe in the existence of the unconscious in order for Dr Sarno's treatment program to be efficacious? Dr Sarno himself is not 100% certain what brings about recovery in some people. Is it the information that the symptoms are benign and they thus can carry on with normal everyday activity without anything to worry about, or is it the concentration on the underlying psychological source of the pain? My own hunch is that those who can overcome their fear and resume normal activity tend to recover more rapidly even if they don't follow all the psychoanalysis stuff. |
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chickenbone
Panama
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Posted - 02/05/2013 : 19:07:04
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| Shawn, I feel pretty certain that your hunch is correct, that those who can successfully withdraw their fear and attention from their symptoms experience a faster recovery. This is in line with the experience of my own recovery so far. Also, I believe Dr. James Alexander's (I am reading his book now) opinion on Dr. Sarno's psychological model is based on both the Freudian psychoanalytic model as well as a CBT approach,so is somewhat mixed. Just a thought. |
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All1Spirit
USA
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Posted - 02/05/2013 : 19:40:19
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I have spoken to 4 major TMS practitioners (MDs) in the past 3 days and one commonality is teaching the patient to see all the diverse symptoms as non-threatening and changing the negative bias and thoughts/statements...read reduce the fear and create hope.
If you go to the fibro support forums they have all been told there is no treatment and therefor no hope...so they get poly-drugged. Same with anxiety, IBS and chronic fatigue. So how much fear does it generate when you are going to be sick the rest of your life. |
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balto
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Posted - 02/05/2013 : 20:12:39
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Originally posted by All1Spirit
... reduce the fear and create hope.
That was exactly how I got rid of all my symptoms. I stop all my fear thoughts and emotion. I make myself believe that I am healthy and strong and at peace. Once I achieved that, the symptoms just all melt away.
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2006/february1/med-anxiety-020106.html
http://www.bartleby.com/24/2/403.html
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience. |
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Peregrinus
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Posted - 02/05/2013 : 21:13:20
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All1Spirit:
The first post of yours that I read contained the following:
“I had … vertigo that was not going away.”
“the condition might be permanent….This scared me so bad that I went into a hyper aroused state”
“I came down with Achilles tendinitis I thought it was because I been riding my bike so much”
“I started getting muscle pain with any amount of exertion”
“I have a negative bias that I developed a my childhood...... so I tended to look on the symptoms with an attitude of oh no!!!”
“deep inside I believe I might never recover from this breakdown”
These quotes indicate that you believe your problems have a physiological cause and that you are in fear as a result. That you suffer following even light physical activity is an indication that you want to convince yourself that there is a primary physical cause for your problems. I suspect that since your work is to help others with similar problems you have an unrealistic self image. You see yourself as someone that is immune to the problems that are common to so many of us. Your TMS symptoms are in conflict with this self image and are the source of additional stress. I also doubt that you have “no external stress” in your life. If my words are disturbing there may be some truth in them.
Good luck!
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All1Spirit
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2013 : 08:18:55
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Thanks for your thoughts - I see absolutely no external stress in my life.
Everything we own is paid for and we have a sizeable amount of cash and investments. We have no children to worry about and all our immediate relatives and family have passed so there is no caretaking. My wife of 30 years is my best friend and we are closer every year. We live on the edge of a city surrounded by 3,000 acres of game preserve so it is totally silent and natural – no other houses for 5 blocks.
Were it not for my pain I would have a blessed life – I can tell you that the old adage is true- money wont buy you happiness of physical comfort |
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Back2-It
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2013 : 09:36:25
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Originally posted by All1Spirit
Thanks for your thoughts - I see absolutely no external stress in my life.
Everything we own is paid for and we have a sizeable amount of cash and investments. We have no children to worry about and all our immediate relatives and family have passed so there is no caretaking. My wife of 30 years is my best friend and we are closer every year. We live on the edge of a city surrounded by 3,000 acres of game preserve so it is totally silent and natural – no other houses for 5 blocks.
Were it not for my pain I would have a blessed life – I can tell you that the old adage is true- money wont buy you happiness of physical comfort
Is there a path in life, then, now?
Is there unconscious knowledge, fear, that the mission is over?
Has the "hunt" for the treasure been the raison d'ętre that kept mind and body occupied?
Can there be a new gold rush? A different journey to increase blessings?
"Bridges Freeze Before Roads" |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2013 : 12:53:54
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Originally posted by All1Spirit
I have spoken to 4 major TMS practitioners (MDs) in the past 3 days and one commonality is teaching the patient to see all the diverse symptoms as non-threatening and changing the negative bias and thoughts/statements...read reduce the fear and create hope.
Dr. Rik, would you mind sharing the contacts for those TMS docs with the group so they may also benefit. TMS work is a very small part of TMS docs practices, most patients won't pay any mind to it and will run the other way, never coming back when a physician suggests the pain is emotional and not structural.
These doctors you talked to may feel flattered to be consulted with and could be invited to the board for cameo appearances. It would probably be good for them for exposure to help acquire TMS patients for their practices. It must be frustrating for TMS physicians to understand the true origins of their patients pain and be helpless to convince them of it.
Thus TMS is serving it's purpose as the Good Doctor theorizes. TMS is a psychological defense mechanism. A PROTECTOR against feeling emotional pain, which the subconscious has decided to be even more painful then the structural or affective TMS symptom, avoiding dealing with the emotional causes head-on. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 18:19:31
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Originally posted by All1Spirit
Thanks for your thoughts - I see absolutely no external stress in my life.
Everything we own is paid for and we have a sizeable amount of cash and investments. We have no children to worry about and all our immediate relatives and family have passed so there is no caretaking. My wife of 30 years is my best friend and we are closer every year. We live on the edge of a city surrounded by 3,000 acres of game preserve so it is totally silent and natural – no other houses for 5 blocks.
Were it not for my pain I would have a blessed life – I can tell you that the old adage is true- money wont buy you happiness of physical comfort
My guess, from the limited info here, is that the cause for your TMS symptoms is subconscious fear of aging, which is a pretty common part of the "human condition", as the Good Doctor calls it. If you can consciously put your finger on the problem, the gremlin wouldn't be doing its job of, creating distracting structural and affective TMS symptoms. |
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