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chickenbone
Panama
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 Posted - 01/24/2013 : 16:24:28
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Steve, I'm sure we are all very happy to hear from you. I just want to mention another book by a MD spine surgeon named Dr. David Hanscom called "Back in Control". He is a firm believer in TMS and has developed a comprehensive program in his practice to help people recover from chronic pain.
You are so right about how difficult it is to make the final leap. I have discovered recently that anger and victimhood have been the basis of my existence most of my life. I have been horrified the last month every time I reread things I wrote when I was in my anger. I hid it well for a long time, but it almost destroyed me so I must face it and try to move on. I have not been in much pain for the last month because of this. However, I must admit that I miss the comfort of my pain. I never thought I would say something like that. When I had pain, I always had a good excuse for letting myself and others down. It is incredibly painful to admit to myself that the problem has always been "me" and not "them". In the end, the pain became my friend. And if it comes back, it will come back as my friend to help me remember, before I wreck myself, that I have emotional work to do.
I am so grateful to you, and Ace1, as well as all the others on this forum who have helped me.
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 16:52:11
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chickenbone, do you really think Dr.Hanscom's book is valuable?
The book has a massive section on surgery and physical therapy (chapter 10 and up). It even explains how to take care of your back.
Talk about mixed message. |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 18:30:31
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So I knew I had better back out of this site, and move on to people who were ready to heal.
-SteveO
So Steve, that was based on being asked by the site owner to take out book links? I'm just curious what part of that indicated folks weren't ready to heal?
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maccafan
130 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 19:19:59
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I'm on page 148 of Nicole's book, The Meaning of Truth and it is fascinating. I'm glad that I gave her a chance and did not condemn her because she broke some rule. In fact I didn't even know there was such a rule until Bryan and a few others kept pounding away about it and being down right nasty to Nicole as they were doing it.
To just keep going on and on about that rule and cutting her down for this and that, nit picking on and on is nuts! She even tried to explain and become part of the forum. A scam artist would not have done that and headed for the hills instead. But the bullying wouldn't stop. I don't blame her for unloading on Bryan. Whether she's a therapist or not she's still a human. And she did apologize which she didn't have to do. I haven't noticed Bryan apologizing to her. Isn't forgiveness suspose to be a big thing here?
Why don't the Nicole bashers get over it and give her book a try? It's a damn good book! Her writting style is different, not artsy fartsy, she uses all sizes of text and a curse word here or there (nothing worse than we hear on tv all the time). Her style is modern, down to earth and a good change from the usual.
It's genius the way she uses her words to lead you down the path to where she hits you with the TMS knowledge. We all know how hard it is to try to explain TMS to people we would like to help. Most of them just will not listen or even try to understand. Nicole does a fantastic job of getting the reader to the point where they will be ready to listen and accept the knowledge. And she writes about her first visit with Dr. Sarno and how it worked for her. She also teaches about "journal speak" and why the usual type of journaling doesn't work for a lot of sufferers. One of her main teachings is to show you how to make journaling work. I've learned something very important from the book already and you can too if you give her and yourself a chance. I'm looking forward to reading the last 1/3 of her book because I know it will be as good as the first 2/3.
As for the rules, isn't there a rule about continually manipulating your own post to the top of the first page over and over again for weeks and weeks?! It doesn't matter how good or not good the information may be it's not fair because MANY members have posted good information and not done this. What if we ALL kept manipulating our posts back to the top?! And isn't there a rule against being mean, just plain mean and rude to a new poster?
It's not about (winning) an arguement here (leave that to Charlie Sheen or Bryan), it's about getting rid of TMS pain. Tennis Tom is not trying to win anything he's trying to help us not go through TMS pain and suffering anymore. And he's been doing this since 2004. I just read the posts thanking SteveO and welcoming him back. If it weren't for TT, SteveO wouldn't be here for anyone to thank or welcome back!
MACCAFAN - The World's Number One BEATLEFAN!!! |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 19:28:13
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Actually Maccafan, many people chimed in not just because of the rule, but also due to concerns of fabricated reviews, data about herself that couldn't be confirmed, her diagnosing people on a forum as angry who disagreed with her, etc.
So again, if we're going to have the discussion it would be great to include all of the information.
I'm glad the book is working for you, though... and thanks for scorning those for speaking up for themselves, as you make your case for your own opinion.
And it's probably worth mentioning that I've offered to let this go many times. But, people keep making threads with my name in the heading.
Perhaps you could take it up with those who are attacking people's personal lives, making racial insults, swearing at people, etc.
Do those people draw your ire, or are their uncivil tactics acceptable because you agree with them? |
Edited by - bryan3000 on 01/24/2013 19:34:46 |
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chickenbone
Panama
398 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 19:42:41
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Alix, yes, I think this book is valuable for people suffering with chronic pain. But other books have helped me as much or more. It depends on how you think I tend to think scientifically.
He really drives home the issue of anger and anxiety and the role it plays in manifestations of TMS as well as the exacerbation of any type of pain.
He clearly defines 3 types of pain: structural, non-structural and mind/body syndrome (most cases)
This and another book by a neurologist really explained exactly how the brain processes information and the "neuroplasticity" of the brain, or the ability of the brain to create and memorize new neural pathways. This information removed all doubt that I had previously about the fact that I had TMS.
Even people who have organic pain sustain emotional scars from what the experience of chronic pain does to their life. Most of these people need therapy before and after their pain is fixed. Therefore, a clear line does not always exist between organic pain and pain caused by the brain in response to emotional problems. Pain is pain and it always leaves it's etching on the brain which poses it's own set of problems.
The book is really about chronic pain and back pain seems to be the flavor of the century. I needed to understand what it really is and what it does in order to heal from TMS. This book does a really good job with that. |
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maccafan
130 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 19:43:02
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Bryan,
If I had just written a book and some of my friends and colleagues had read it before it was published and wrote a good review because they liked it I would be glad to have them put it in the review section in as many places as they could until the others started to come in. Big Deal!!!!!!!!!! I'm diagnosing you as angry too and I also disagree with you on everthing you've just said. And do you ever just speak for yourself??? You really seem to need constant support too. Come on, give it a break. And you better not live in a glass house! |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 19:43:57
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| CB, thanks for the book review, it sounds like a good addition to the literature. |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 19:55:30
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Maccafan,
I am indeed speaking for myself, which seems to be upsetting you greatly.
I have made a distinction though, as Tennis Tom attempted to make this about me, instead of the many people who questioned the valid/credentials of a self-professed expert.
Truth is, life is pretty good! I hope yours is too. But I'm confused why someone disagreeing with you makes you so angry?
Can't we all just have an opinion, express it and be okay with that?
Do we have to resort to personal attacks? Do I have to agree with your assessment of the book seller? If I don't, am I a bad person?
I'm a big fan of many of the "experts" around here. (Ace, Dr. Z, Dr. A, etc.) Why don't they count? Is it only the people you deem important that matter?
There's a lot you could clear up for us.
Though, on one hand you're criticizing me for having an opinion... while forcibly giving your own. So, I guess that may present a challenge as we go forward? |
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maccafan
130 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 20:22:38
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Here you go again, man. You basically by yourself got this crossfire huricane started and now you want the winds to calm down. You hurt a person's feelings that did not deserve it.
It sure seems like there's more going on with you than just being angry about a new poster that wrote a book. And if you read her book you would probably figure out what it is. No kidding!
Come on, Bryan, give it a chance. And I don't mean you any ill will and neither does tt. I'm going to correct this sentence in case you already read it. I don't mean you any ill will and it's my opinion that tt doesn't either.
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 20:28:10
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Originally posted by maccafan
Here you go again, man. You basically by yourself got this crossfire huricane started and now you want the winds to calm down. You hurt a person's feelings that did not deserve it.
It sure seems like there's more going on with you than just being angry about a new poster that wrote a book. And if you read her book you would probably figure out what it is. No kidding!
Come on, Bryan, give it a chance. And I don't mean you any ill will and neither does tt.
Maccafan,
You probably didn't catch that part of my post. Life is actually prety good thanks. Improving steadily, like many of us here.
But, I'm not a big fan of trying to make a topic about the person. I love to stay on topic.
It seems that a popular tactic here has been to attack personally, call names, distort facts.
How about we just discuss whatever it is you'd like to discuss? At this point, I'm having a hard time following... outside of apparently your belief that you have the right to express your opinion but I don't?
And I'm not sure what "give it a chance" means? What needs a chance? I'm thrilled for you if the book is helping. Honestly, that's incredble. Why does it need my validation?
Especially when on the other hand, you're telling me I'm not allowed to have an opinion or I'm subject to personal attacks?
This is all confusing. Of course, I'm willing to let all of this drop.... but you seem insistent on making some kind of point. I'm all ears, if we can stay on topic? Or we can let it go. Your choice? |
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maccafan
130 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 20:36:58
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Bryan,
I mean give Nicole a chance, give her book a chance and for Pete's Sake --- Give Peace A Chance!!!!!!!!!!
I'm tired, I'm going to bed. So for now I'll quote Joy Behar, "So What, Who Cares".
Night, Bryan.
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 20:59:07
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| Bryan didn't call anyone names ("Bryann"), call anyone a "good German," mention anyone's marriage, or start a thread to call anyone angry. And he was not even close to the only one who had issues with the way Nicole introduced herself. I think he's taking way too much flak here. |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 21:04:25
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Originally posted by maccafan
Bryan,
I mean give Nicole a chance, give her book a chance and for Pete's Sake --- Give Peace A Chance!!!!!!!!!!
I'm tired, I'm going to bed. So for now I'll quote Joy Behar, "So What, Who Cares".
Night, Bryan.
The book isn't my thing, but I'm glad it's yours. Enjoy! |
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 21:21:21
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| I am the one that pointed to the Amazon reviews first (and I stand by what I wrote) so I should be "blamed" for that. It is not Bryan. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 01/24/2013 : 21:30:37
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Originally posted by bryan3000
I have made a distinction though, as Tennis Tom attempted to make this about me, instead of the many people who questioned the valid/credentials of a self-professed expert.
Can't we all just have an opinion, express it and be okay with that?
I'm a big fan of many of the "experts" around here. (Ace, Dr. Z, Dr. A, etc.) Why don't they count? Is it only the people you deem important that matter?
Bryan, you made this about you by proactively blocking Nicole and SteveO from announcing their TMS books. Other TMS practitioners have had links to their sites, books, and contacts for helping TMS sufferers--and I see nothing at all wrong with that--since this site is named THE TMS HELP Forum. How can a TMS practitioner "help" if they aren't allowed to be contacted and announce their books--about TMS? They both were blindsided by your vigorous demand on Dave that he enforce that boilerplate and both authors obliged.
Questioning both authors credentials which you are still doing quoting you above: "valid/ credentials of a self-professed expert"--how is one to feel with that job description? Bryan, what are your credentials for deciding who is a TMS valid expert? If Dr. Sarno posted here and happened to mention he had written a new book, would you tell him he couldn't do that, that he was a "salesman" and the forum rules don't allow him to "peddle" his "wares" here.
"Many people", maybe three, four, six? The evidence criticizing the origins of the reviews was all circumstantial. While circumstantial evidence is admissible in a court of law--this is NOT a court of law--it's a FRIGGEN' message board. You are hung up on the "credibility" of the Forum, why? Forums are forums, they are the some total of the people who step up to the soap box and speak--it's Trafalgar Square, not the House of Parliament. There is no way to vett posters at message boards, that's a given, like politics, you believe the lies you want to believe. The discussion is ever changing and so are the discussers--that's part of the beauty of message boards, they are ephemeral and ever morphing, otherwise they would be dull and boring and people would just watch TV--or read a self-help book.
You also made a reference to "race", could you explain what that is about please?
Bryan, trust me, this isn't about me or my ego or being angry, although I am, and I don't see anything wrong with being angry when it is the right emotion to be. This is about the TRUTH, but it's hard to refer to some of the facts, now that you have had them deleted.
Disclaimer:
I make no claims for the accuracy of the above as I am writing it while I am very hungry and therefore in an altered state of consciousness, possibly OCD, bi-polar, pre-Parkinsons, post-meonpausal or all of the above--what time does Howard Stern come on? I'm not previewing this post and God help anyone who reads it. I'm gonna' eat some Safeway fried chicken, (much better then the Colonel's extra-crispy), and some left over Panda Express--another exciting Saturday night.
Cheers,
tt/lsmft |
Edited by - tennis tom on 01/24/2013 21:37:12 |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 22:05:09
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Tom,
Go to bed. |
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 22:41:03
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Thanks chickenbone. I will be interested to hear your assessment of Steve's and Dr.Alexander's books as well which I think are both great.
To be honest I am very perplexed by Dr.Hanscom's book. The cases for which he advises and performs surgery seem to me that they would fall within the TMS category.
But I am probably oversensitive as I unsuccessfully went from books to worksheets to videos for close to 2 years getting distracted by discrepancies. The second time around, I was successful by simply doing "the work" without distraction in 2 and 1/2 months. |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2013 : 04:10:32
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| Dear Shawn reread your post on the previous page. That is an example of an extreme strain. You cannot want something to that degree, it is more than what is humanity possible and what you want isn't going to cure you any faster. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2013 : 07:34:58
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Originally posted by bryan3000
Tom,
Go to bed.
You first. |
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