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tennis tom
USA
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 Posted - 01/20/2013 : 02:40:08
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WOW!!! Waking up at midnight and coming back to this thread is a real WOWER!!! It resembles real life--CHAOS--in the best sense of the word. Much honesty here--maybe the recent board burp--fart--diarrehea will result in a higher half-step up the TMS homeostasis ladder.
Nicole glad your Mom talked you back here, mother knows best. You don't need to walk on egg-shells--let it all hang-out.In a short time it will all disappear below the fold into the black-hole called the archives. Which fortunately, only archivist look at, and that's a dying profession. We are on our way to once again proving, if you don't study history we are bound to repeat it. I think the proper outlook on posting at a message board is viewing it as an Etch-A-Sketch, good typing practice for the next book or writing fortune cookies. I've been more appreciative of chaos recently, though I can't say the same for others around me--as long as I know where everything is it will be alright--it's somewhere in that pile.
Welcome back, you survived your hazing. I'm impressed you had a communication with Dave, I hear he's at the end of the Yellow Brick Road, what was that like?
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2013 : 02:55:29
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Hi Pspa,
My sympathies for your personal struggle. Although the buzz word of the day is "community" in reality unless one lives on a commune or a kibbutz, most of us live in isolation because we can afford to. We have the luxury of not knowing our neighbors because we don't need them for anything--until the next big one hits. Add that to living in a world of perfect looking people and if yours is not the perfect Leave it to Beaver household, that's a lot of pressure. If we lived in real communities you would have more help to give you some respite. I think it was Balto who said it well, your son is a gift like TMS. In nature anomalies are the norm. It's like TMS, anomalies on imaging are the norm, there is no such thing as the perfect x-ray, that would not be "normal".
Best wishes,
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NicoleSachsLCSW
USA
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Posted - 01/21/2013 : 14:23:22
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hey tom,
tried to write you directly but it was blocked and then i was unable to click on the link. please let me know if i can be of any help to you. your kindness is uncommon, and should be acknowledged. so, if you'd like to consult about your tms struggles it would be my pleasure, free of charge. and before anyone jumps all over me for saying this... i am a sarno therapist so that's why i needed to qualify!
this group makes me leery now...
:)
n.
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Originally posted by tennis tom
WOW!!! Waking up at midnight and coming back to this thread is a real WOWER!!! It resembles real life--CHAOS--in the best sense of the word. Much honesty here--maybe the recent board burp--fart--diarrehea will result in a higher half-step up the TMS homeostasis ladder.
Nicole glad your Mom talked you back here, mother knows best. You don't need to walk on egg-shells--let it all hang-out.In a short time it will all disappear below the fold into the black-hole called the archives. Which fortunately, only archivist look at, and that's a dying profession. We are on our way to once again proving, if you don't study history we are bound to repeat it. I think the proper outlook on posting at a message board is viewing it as an Etch-A-Sketch, good typing practice for the next book or writing fortune cookies. I've been more appreciative of chaos recently, though I can't say the same for others around me--as long as I know where everything is it will be alright--it's somewhere in that pile.
Welcome back, you survived your hazing. I'm impressed you had a communication with Dave, I hear he's at the end of the Yellow Brick Road, what was that like?
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 14:37:31
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| I now have in my possession Nicole's book which I will read right after I finish the current book I am reading. |
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balto
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Posted - 01/21/2013 : 14:54:56
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Originally posted by NicoleSachsLCSW
hey tom,
tried to write you directly but it was blocked and then i was unable to click on the link. please let me know if i can be of any help to you. your kindness is uncommon, and should be acknowledged. so, if you'd like to consult about your tms struggles it would be my pleasure, free of charge. and before anyone jumps all over me for saying this... i am a sarno therapist so that's why i needed to qualify!
this group makes me leery now...
:)
n.
Embrace your Truth, Create your Life.
Hi Nicole, Just come here and share your expertise whenever you do have free time. Participate and help people right here is one of the best way to let people know about you and your book. All you need is just a little link to your website in your signature. Reader here will do the rest. People you help will be the best advertising force for your book. You don't have say anything about your book at all, they will find it and tell the world about you once they realize what you posted here make sense to them and helped them.
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plum
United Kingdom
641 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 15:16:04
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Nicole,
Thank you so much for sending me your book. I'm touched that you did that.
No need to be leery here, for there is much warmth and friendship.
I shall begin reading tomorrow.
Meantime, the Orwell quote rocks.
Take care sweetheart. x |
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andy64tms
USA
589 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 15:37:27
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Welcome Nicole,
I am a returning user who found it necessary to take a break from the forum recently. I had become disillusioned and irritated with how the forum works.
You’re joining the forum and the commotion it caused highlights the very essence of my complaint. I followed the thread without commenting for days and days, as I watched people’s emotions, views, fears and hates unfold. I was aghast at the depth of concern and the lack of trust my fellow TMSers had in you, for I had no concerns whatsoever, absolutely none.
Some were adamant at you not using the forum selling your book against the forum rules. Ludicrous, for we all buy and sell here in the form of helping and receiving advice- the cost is our time. Are people really jealous that you are making money, and do they begrudge you getting some recompense for the many hours you didn’t get paid? Also I was upset at the unfairness other people showed. Dr. James Alexander and Dr. Zafrides and perhaps others add links to their posts to sell their wares and offerings whether its books or podcasts, they were not rebuked in any way. And to cap it all many rules are broken here; take religious texts and political arguments that we shouldn’t be reading about.
This forum offers the 1st amendment liberty, known as “free speech” to the rest of the world. Does this mean users they can degrade to slander, verbal abuse, bullying and the behavior demonstrated in your first post? This seems to be so and this is why I feel alienated from the other posters. But I saw a glimmer of hope in your second posting.
I had this thought in that you have something to offer. Perhaps you might include that one word or phrase that would enlighten guide and help just one person in need. Little did I know that one person could be me, for when you included extracts from your book I was touched by what you wrote. “As we become even vaguely aware of our deeper truths..”.It was very sincere and received as such for it applied to me.
As one who is in the field of psychology you probably understand what went on here better than I do. We have many passive and extreme personalities here. I look forward to seeing you help some of them, and in turn helping others, the main attribute of a forum I believe.
So why did I have absolutely no concerns about Nichole’s entry to our forum? Because I am different to you:
As a shy introvert immigrant when I came to America, I noticed most Americans were sales people, for we all sell ourselves, we all want to be heard, we each of us want to survive and thrive. Later, when unemployed I joined job hunting clubs and was trained to seek jobs. Nichole did everything right. She advertised, she sold herself in the best possible light, she was enthusiastic and positive, she promised help. She even primed references, a commonly accepted occurrence when job hunting. Welcome again Nicole, your hired!
PS, I’m glad you’re helping Tennis Tom. There is much I’d like to say to him but don’t have the courage or skill. Hi Tom.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Stopped Wiki Edu Program in lieu of own journalling
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years, is almost gone.
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 16:03:25
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Andy, for clarity... the things people were adverse to were...
-Seemingly bogus reviews of her book by ghost reviewers (6, immediately, all new users)
-No mention of TMS or Sarno in her description
-Claims that she sees herself in posts that others have searched and can't find
-Two separate announcements of herself and her book here, despite the first drawing some concern
-Clear violation of the terms of service
-Her ordering people not to moderate because she had "talked to Dave"
-A lack of actual TMS information and an abundance of personal information and what appears to be fan-base building
No one said she couldn't sell a book. We have several published experts here who blend in like regular people and provide a world of help, all at no cost and with no advertising of themselves. In particular, no CLAIMS THAT THEY CAN HELP YOU in all caps, etc.
So, let's be fair to both sides, shall we? It's not really right to call some fairly factual concerns "ludicrous."
Some people see this one way, some see it another.
I respect your opinion. I hope you can respect that of those here who disagree with you. Either way, it's always important that we at least have the proper facts out on the table when we discuss this, as it affects the forum for everyone.
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pspa123
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Posted - 01/21/2013 : 16:17:50
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| James has provided a great deal of substantive information and advice in his short time here, and specifically answered many questions. Time will tell if Nicole does the same. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 16:31:10
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Originally posted by NicoleSachsLCSW
hey tom,
tried to write you directly but it was blocked and then i was unable to click on the link. please let me know if i can be of any help to you. your kindness is uncommon, and should be acknowledged. so, if you'd like to consult about your tms struggles it would be my pleasure, free of charge. and before anyone jumps all over me for saying this... i am a sarno therapist so that's why i needed to qualify!
this group makes me leery now...
:)
n.
Hi Nicole,
Thanks for you generous offer to help me, your email did come through and I will contact you soon. I've been busy with my tournament and will contact you as it wraps up. If you haven't participated much on message boards, this kind of thing is the occasional norm so don't worry about it. You have to go through a few of these wars to build up your immunity. After some experience you just learn to say your piece/peace and let the chips fall where they will, ignoring the bricks and bickering. Many come to message board just for the entertainment value of watching the train wrecks. It does take some getting used to but helps to clarify your beliefs. After participating in a few you learn to save your energy and observe others battling it out. Your post was clearly an announcement and not an advertisement--and who cares? I read "THE RULES" for the first time and it's your normal boiler-plate--no sex, no politics, no religion, no insults, no selling fake Rolex watches. If we obeyed all those "rules" where would be the fun in that?--might as well read a READERS DIGEST. I've broken everyone of those rules in my sleep except for selling the fake Rolexes--mine are real fake Rolexes.
Stick around for a while and have some fun. Say hi to your Mom. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 17:07:42
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| Guys, this kind of advice usually goes for $150-240 an hour the last time I got charged for it and with inflation it's probably a lot more now--that is if you can find a TMS practitioner, which are rarer then diamonds on the planet--how can you object to free?--I'm mystified but I usually am. |
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andy64tms
USA
589 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 17:15:19
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Hi Bryan,
After pages and pages of chit-chat, I don’t think we need clarity, we need peace and acceptance.
Yes I absolutely do respect everyone’s opinion, that’s why I mentioned the first amendment. Yes there are discrepancies and violations, but I’m not interested in going around in debate in point by point detail perpetuating fears and anger, it would add nothing to the value of what I have already said, and other people are better at this than me.
I trust and hope that your concerns will be diminished with Nicole’s future posts, or you could download her free pdf - just maybe she has something to say to help you. Time will tell.
Kind regards
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Stopped Wiki Edu Program in lieu of own journalling
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years, is almost gone.
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 17:18:34
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Tom,
No one is objecting to information.
It seems that this thread seems to consist of setting up straw men and knocking them down.
I think most of us are ready to hear some actual information, as opposed to personal and sales info.
But, it takes all kinds, right?
We're all free to comment on what we appreciate and what we don't, here.
As for info... there is a wealth of info from regular people here that is light-years better than any doctor I've ever seen, and yes... I have PAID to work with a TMS doctor.
I've also worked with a host of other psychs, therapists, etc. They're just people. Some are great at their job, some not so much. Some are collecting a paycheck.
I'm fairly sure that if we were on an auto mechanics forum, your average gear-head wouldn't be at the feet of any "professional" mechanic that came in without that mechanic offering them a reason to be.
Tom, people are allowed to have an opinion. Not just you, but other people as well. Doesn't need to get into personal insults about people's marriage, threats to leave the forum, etc. I haven't seen one person opposing you make personally disparaging remarks about your private life, or threaten to leave the forum.
Grown people can generally disagree, and just recognize that adults often differ in opinion. |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 17:22:37
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Thanks Andy,
I read the sample pages at Amazon and it's definitely written in a style that I find hard to get through. I didn't see anything compelling in the pages, nor in the intro or from her in posts thus far. But, her words may speak to others and I'm not here to block that, of course. I was just offering some clarification, and your sentiments aren't lost on me. I wish you well.
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andy64tms
USA
589 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 17:26:04
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Hi Tom. I am mystified too.
I’m frightened of asking one of these TMS therapists for help in case they send me a bill. Talk about “Looking a gift horse in the mouth”. Here is the link. Neigh…
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/dont-look-a-gift-horse-in-the-mouth.html
Neigh, Neigh, Neigh
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Stopped Wiki Edu Program in lieu of own journalling
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years, is almost gone.
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 17:36:17
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Guys... I'm telling you as someone who's worked with a TMS therapist and spoken with several... you should keep your expectations in check.
In fact, read some posts around here from others who have. You'll hear similar stories.
It's similar to anxiety. Every therapist on the planet claims to be able to treat anxiety. I'd say about .03% actually can. I had to find this out the hard way.
No one is looking a gift horse in the mouth, either. Look at the incredibly warm reception the other authors and doctors have received here.
Seems to me this forum has been wide open to help from those who approached sincerely and with respect for the forum's integrity.
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 18:06:27
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| Bryan, it's really interesting how you turn this around and make me look like the bad guy. I'm not going to waste much more of myu time with this internet sillyness. You Are the one who wants to shut-people up and shut them out of here with your silly adherence to some boiler-plate rules that no one but you gives a hoot about. I'm all for following the rules but in this case it doesn't help anyone here get better and you are the one acting the mod part not me. You haven't given Nicole a chance to say anything and you did the same with SteveO. As far as personal attack and your marriage you started that one too. Hospitality is hospitality whether it's in person or over the internet and your behavior to SteveO and now Nicole has been inhospitable. Why don't you let Dave speak for himself instead of pretending to be his spokesman here. I've been here a lot longer then you have and it is essentially unmoderated (thank you Dave) and everyone is free to express themselves, you, me and everyone else. But thanks for bestowing upon me some mystical powers that I certainly don't possess nor want to. |
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andy64tms
USA
589 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 18:20:44
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I was joking Bryan,
just trying to bring some humor to an otherwise stiff thread. Did you not look at the link and the horse’s mouth? I chuckled all the way down the stairs after I posted. While I’m being flippant I remember you read my “Now I’m being silly post” that I wrote last March. Here is the link again. I wrote it for fun, but much of it is really so very true as I look back nearly a year.
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7290
On a serious note, I’m sure there are good and not so good therapists. I haven’t used one yet. I get all the therapy I need from my wife and this board including many of your posts and comments. Thank you for writing them.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Stopped Wiki Edu Program in lieu of own journalling
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years, is almost gone.
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
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NicoleSachsLCSW
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 19:24:03
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lovely balto,
in our communication, dave very kindly let me know that the link to my site (in my tagline) was the one thing i should omit, as the outcry here was about accordance to the rules.
it's ok. trust me i'm over wanting to promote anything on this forum. i imagine the original concept of my first post was connect people to my book, but despite my most honest efforts i couldn't break the spell of skepticism.
just wanted to answer your post, as you took the time to think of me. i want so badly to simply participate and help. i just feel so attacked. i think i know what i have to do, though. i will try my best.
cheers,
nicole
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Originally posted by balto
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Originally posted by NicoleSachsLCSW
hey tom,
tried to write you directly but it was blocked and then i was unable to click on the link. please let me know if i can be of any help to you. your kindness is uncommon, and should be acknowledged. so, if you'd like to consult about your tms struggles it would be my pleasure, free of charge. and before anyone jumps all over me for saying this... i am a sarno therapist so that's why i needed to qualify!
this group makes me leery now...
:)
n.
Embrace your Truth, Create your Life.
Hi Nicole, Just come here and share your expertise whenever you do have free time. Participate and help people right here is one of the best way to let people know about you and your book. All you need is just a little link to your website in your signature. Reader here will do the rest. People you help will be the best advertising force for your book. You don't have say anything about your book at all, they will find it and tell the world about you once they realize what you posted here make sense to them and helped them.
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience.
Embrace your Truth, Create your Life. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2013 : 07:27:07
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OK folks, the TMS Help Forum's in-house therapist Nicole, had an untimely cancellation, who wants to fill it in? This is a great opportunity to get some TMS advice from an expert, who was "cured" and then went on to work with the main man, the GOOD DOCTOR, himself, now retired. This is a one time opportunity to get the TMS info from as close to the SOURCE as one can. Who's gonna' step up to the couch and lie down on it? Others pay good money for this kind of help if they can even find a practitioner who's TMS savvy.
GO FOR It!
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