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Jerry Mittman
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 Posted - 02/21/2005 : 12:46:52
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menvert
Australia
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Posted - 02/21/2005 : 18:02:13
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well, here's how it works for me .
alcohol generally relaxes me and stops me dwelling on pain, so for the most part it reduces pain.
Although I used to wake up in the morning with a lot more pain than usual . but this is usually when I've gone to a party or something(ie: pushing through my social fears successfully) when my brain resents me making progress in my life.
When my pain started many years ago, I had to give up POT, as it would only intensify my pain . I'm not sure why, whether I got too relaxed... or more likely pot gives me much stronger focus and at the time I would just focus on my pain.... plus pot makes me feel more insecure and would bring up more fears. |
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Jerry Mittman
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Posted - 02/21/2005 : 18:20:16
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menvert,
Thanks. Interesting point about pushing through your social fears. It seems like every time I go out and have a good time, along with drinking too much, the pain is excruciating the next day (worst with rum, but I haven't tried to figure that out). I have postulated that (while drinking) I forget about the pain and stop thinking about the reasons for it, and then at some point while I am sleeping, the unconscious starts to take over again. I also think that, upon waking up the next morning, it is harder to focus on the thoughts that are being repressed and that may give the unconscious a chance to take control again.
I did not ever think about what is happening socially and my internal responses or fears in regards to this. I appreciate your response.
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menvert
Australia
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Posted - 02/21/2005 : 18:32:25
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may i elaborate a tad,,
many times in the past I have woken up with a major flareup . and that is usually after a social event, or just about any event, which is 'a big step forward' in my life. To some degree my brain resents me making any progress and when I do I get punished with pain :)
One such time as I mentioned was going to a party where I only knew one person, which for me is are very very big step, and has many anxiety and fear related issues, I was profusely sweating and at times I felt like I was physically shaking... that's the sort of level of anxiety I get. But it all went well absolutely no pain flareups at the time, and I enjoyed myself a lot. But the next day . I had quite a flareup, which took a week to go down.
Another such event was after successfully completing my first solo skydiving. It was tremendously fun, if not very surreal and dreamlike :), but that was another exercise pushing through fear, particularly of 'but no I can't do it my arms will hurt and my knee will hurt if I have to land' but I did it anyway . and had absolutely no physical problems with the entire exercise. But upon waking, the next day I had a similar flareup to the first case. But at this stage I understood it to be TMS, and it pretty much went away in a couple of days, but more importantly, I didn't let it stop me doing anything.
The brain can be very crafty :)
And like alluded to, perhaps the brain... when you become sober enough ... suddenly realises 'HEY , I wasn't in control for a while.... I better cause lots of pain to make sure that will never happen again!'
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Baseball65
USA
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Posted - 02/21/2005 : 19:21:29
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This is a great question!
I am fully recovered,but about 2 years symtpom free,I began to abuse drugs at work.They are pretty much everywhere Vicodin,Morphine,Percodan,Darvon...whatever.
When I was in pain,they never worked,so I didn't take them.After all my pain left I took them just for the buzz to numb myself to the dreariness and overwhelming meaninglessness of my job(I worked in the film business)
I started to GET TMS flare-ups from taking the Painkillers! How funny is that? I did some paperwork and realized it was guilt and that I was really mad at myself deep down for ending up in a job I hated...dropped out of college and was stuck in a high paying manual labor position.
I stopped getting high because the drugs caused the symptom!!
I don't think drinking would be any different,if it were doing something in your subconscious...guilt,or perhaps freeing up some rage that was otherwise well hidden.
We all know we sometimes say things that are too true,but we ordinarily wouldn't say when we're drunk.Maybe the subconscious loosens up and the TMS system perceives a threat and creates a symptom???
I don't drink much...always been more of a drug user(I'm not using anything right now)
Coincidentally,I looked back through my life when I read the book and realized that I never had any TMS when I was a full blown addict...being addicted is like OCD...always focused on the next score...didn't need any pain to distract me!
good topic.
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Laura
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2005 : 16:04:36
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Jerry,
I have noticed in the past that sometimes when I would go out and have a glass or two of of wine my dizziness manifestation would be much worse. I noticed many other people said the same thing. The weird thing about that is that when the dizziness first started up (nearly three years ago, after being on a plane and boat trip) I would drink and it would make me feel better. Now, having a glass or two of wine doesn't affect me one way or another.
Laura
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Posted - 02/22/2005 : 16:52:56
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Interesting discussion - I gave up alcohol completely around five years ago. Although I'd never been a heavy drinker, I began to suffer from hangovers even after one or two glasses of wine.
It had never occurred to me that my alcohol intolerance could have been another manifestation of TMS, until now that is, on reading these posts.
I might give it another try - it would be nice to have a glass of wine in a restaurant again
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UK james
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/23/2005 : 14:19:33
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My symptoms would sometimes worsen after a heavy night on the beers. Doesn't alcohol accentuate your mood? So if you are feeling uptight / down on your luck due to the pain, possibly alcohol could worsen the pain. I think the key is to drink moderately so that you are still in control. Beating TMS requires clear thinking and control so if you drink to excess you are losing those abilities.
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Jerry Mittman
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Posted - 02/27/2005 : 19:01:55
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Personally, my symptoms alleviate while I am drinking. It is usually the next day when the symptoms get much worse.
I think the last message had some meaning in terms of keeping a clear head. I think when your head is not clear (for whatever reason) you are unable to think about what is necessary to get over this damn thing.
Thanks for the replys. |
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holly
USA
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Posted - 03/01/2005 : 15:49:28
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I am one who is very social and loves a good party. I find that I only like to drink when nothing is bothering me and I am in a semi- happy mood. When I do drink I tend to overdo a bit but not to the point of sloppy. I just feel like I regress back to the fun person I use to be back in the 1970s. I think it is important to have some fun once in awhile and I have discovered that if I take one of my old pain relievers like Ultram before drinking I magically do not get a hangover! Normally if I drank alot I would be sooooo hungover. New years I felt so good waking up after a long party of drinking! 
No TMS symptoms after fun! |
Edited by - holly on 03/01/2005 15:50:57 |
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 03/01/2005 : 17:58:28
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| FYI alcohol and Ultram are not a good mix; it can lead to breathing and liver problems. |
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holly
USA
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Posted - 03/01/2005 : 18:06:36
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Dave,
This is only about once every two months. The rest of my days are very straight laced. Now you have me wondering. Are you talking about problems to the extent that I sometimes do this? If so there goes my few fun little partying times!  |
Edited by - holly on 03/01/2005 18:14:49 |
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Dave
USA
1864 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2005 : 08:10:58
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I'm not sure about the specifics, but alcohol and tramadol can be a dangerous combination. Perhaps the doses of each must be pretty high to cause problems, but I would not want to take any chances with my liver or breathing.
Opiates such as Vicodin, on the other hand, are contra-indicated with alcohol mainly because the alcohol increases their depressant effects. Many people see this as a bonus  |
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holly
USA
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Posted - 03/04/2005 : 06:05:49
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dave,
can't get vicodin. just this old ultram prescription. I will try to watch it. called a pharmacy regarding mixing and they said bad mix too.  |
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menvert
Australia
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Posted - 03/06/2005 : 14:43:15
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lol,
well if its only every 2 months, surely a hangover aint all that bad?
better than potential problems anyway ;)
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