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 Posted - 07/08/2012 : 11:49:12
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I'm hesitant to post about this because I don't want to confuse newcomers. But I've had several instances of ignoring pain that turned out to be symptomatic of something genuine, and I think it's important for all of us, including veterans, to be reminded to check with a physician when in doubt.
Very long story cut short, I ignored knee pain, and swelling for several weeks, while continuing to run. Turns out it's not only the real deal....in this case quadricep tendonitis, the knee finally got so swollen I ended up with a blood clot. So I turned what should have been 4 weeks rest at most into 8 weeks at least of no running, and a potentially life threatening situation with the DVT (blood clot)...
It's easy for us veterans to simply assume TMS. We've often done it many times in the past, almost always with a happy ending. But not always.( Didn't you have some problem with in infection a while back, TT, that could have been treated earlier?)
The good news is that I discovered I have a genetic predisposition to forming clots,which I'd otherwise not have known. So maybe in the long run it's a good thing as now I'll be taking coumadin as a preventative for the rest of my life. . But if so, it's only by accident.
I should have known better just from the substantial swelling, because it's my understanding that Dr. Sarno does not think swelling common with TMS. but I ignored that because it was easier, and much more attractive, to just keep running.
Don't make my mistake. The first order of business is to clear yourself medically. A simple MRI would have revealed the problem, and I'd have avoided much trouble.
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balto
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 05:56:21
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I have double hernia surgery 2 years after the pain started. It was something I thought is tms. :)
In a perfect world, all the doctor should be train in tms for atleast a year. My fear of going to a conventional doctor is they will diagnose some real tms as structural or physical.
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Ace1
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 06:28:46
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| Hello, Believe it or not I specialize in blood disorders and cancer. The basic cause of the blood clot is the same factors that cause TMS. So, even though you have the genetic predispostion, it just makes you more likely to manifest TMS in that fashion. It is very common to have the factor V leiden, if thats what you have... many people have it and never manifest the illness. It only increases the chance by a few percentage points over the general population. Ive even had some people who give me a history of ignoring a leg swelling, which was probably a blood clot and it went away on its own. Unfortunently, if you dont treat it medically, there is a risk it could travel to the lung and in rare cases can result in death, but thats the same as someone with heart disase etc, that Dr. Sarno clearly mentions in the divided mind as being a mind body disorder. So its a balance on what to do, maybe the right thing would be to treat yourself medically until you think your "there" and then you'd probably be fine. I think your a prime candidate for the use of mind power to calm or relax you unconscious mind as Ive mentioned on my previous poste. Good luck |
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balto
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 06:59:35
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are you free of symptoms now Ace1?
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Ace1
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 07:36:05
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| Pretty much, I think I'm probably at were most people on this forum would call cured, but I still have to use my mind power techniques when going to work or when the tension rises to prevent TMS, which means I still have more work to do. So, still improving, and unrestricted, with some occasional not too bad pain in conditioned situations. I'll post my success story when I feel that I'm not conditioned to anything anymore which I dont know how long that may take, but I'm Ok with that bc my improvement is steady and consistant. I am also no longer confused on what it is that is making me better. In terms of vision,which I am correcting too, from a -5 prescription, I'm proabably about halfway to 3/4 improved. Its kind of hard to quantify, bc of the fluctuations that occur, but thats the best I can estimate |
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tennis tom
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 09:58:38
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Originally posted by art
It's easy for us veterans to simply assume TMS. We've often done it many times in the past, almost always with a happy ending. But not always.( Didn't you have some problem with in infection a while back, TT, that could have been treated earlier?)
Art, I believe you are referring to a rare condition I incurred called a Ludwig's Angina. It is swelling of the throat that eventually constricts the esophagus curtailing breathing, resulting in death. it was named in honor of a Dr. Wilhelm Friedrich von Ludwig who died from it. To make a long story short, my throat started visibly swelling, it started with tooth pain that I tried treating with OTC tooth meds. After three days I went to my dentist who took one look at it and said "This is serious!" and directed my to go immediately to a oral-facial colleague. He had a sophisticated imaging machine in his office, looked at it and said "I don't want you to get worried but I'm calling the head of the oral-facial department of the top teaching hospital in our area and tell him you are on your way over." The next thing I know I'm being wheeled into surgery, surrounded by a surgical team, looking up at the bright lights on the ceiling with the surgeon saying "This is very serious, we can't wait overnight to treat this."
I tell you what, you don't start proselytizing "Sarno" to a surgical team while on a gurney at midnight, with them telling you may stop being able breathing at any moment. So they put me under yanked, out a tooth that had a major infection beneath it causing the swelling. I had a nice private room for three days, enjoying what Deepak Chopra calls the Western form of mediation: staying in bed sick for a few days. I was left with a little hole in my throat where they yanked the tooth which has healed ok.
Previous to the Ludwig's Angina incident I'd had some extensive dental work done in that area by a periodontal guy and a root canal guy trying to save a tooth so as not to have an implant or a bridge. I wonder if those procedures caused the infection to begin with?
I wonder if they had treated the infection non-surgically with anti-biotics, would that have taken down the swelling. Am I going to throw the dice at midnight and proselytize TMS to a surgical team when they are telling me I will die without the surgery--not me!
Getting dental treatment may have gotten the ball rolling, necessitating further medical treatment, perhaps. I'll probably never know for sure, I'm not suing anyone for malpractice or going backwards, case closed.
In regards to the TMS board, NO ONE comes here first. They are here after exhausting many other allopathic, homeopathic, complementary, and voo-doo remedies that did not relieve their chronic pain. It goes with-out saying, one should get checked out by a competent physician and I'm sure that admonition is in the boiler-plate of this forum's homepage. Since about eighty percent of what ails man is of a psychosomatic mindbody TMS origin, the odds are good, if nothing else has worked, the Good Doctor's books may help. |
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art
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 10:09:25
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"In regards to the TMS board, NO ONE comes here first."
TT, this is true. I'm speaking more to new injuries/symptoms which have not been checked out by a physician. This is actually my 3rd experience with not getting something checked out that I ultimately made worse... though I figure one cautionary tale is enough.
My general operating assumption is that I'm a bit dumber than the average bear, but just in case others are tempted to take similar short cuts, I thought it right to post. |
Edited by - art on 07/09/2012 10:12:26 |
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art
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 10:14:12
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Originally posted by balto
I have double hernia surgery 2 years after the pain started. It was something I thought is tms. :)
In a perfect world, all the doctor should be train in tms for atleast a year. My fear of going to a conventional doctor is they will diagnose some real tms as structural or physical.
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Thanks Balto, Sorry about the surgery, but I'm glad you posted about it. This again could have morphed into something serious. Not likely, but certainly possible. |
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art
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 10:23:05
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Originally posted by Ace1
Hello, Believe it or not I specialize in blood disorders and cancer. The basic cause of the blood clot is the same factors that cause TMS. So, even though you have the genetic predispostion, it just makes you more likely to manifest TMS in that fashion. It is very common to have the factor V leiden, if thats what you have... many people have it and never manifest the illness. It only increases the chance by a few percentage points over the general population. Ive even had some people who give me a history of ignoring a leg swelling, which was probably a blood clot and it went away on its own. Unfortunently, if you dont treat it medically, there is a risk it could travel to the lung and in rare cases can result in death, but thats the same as someone with heart disase etc, that Dr. Sarno clearly mentions in the divided mind as being a mind body disorder. So its a balance on what to do, maybe the right thing would be to treat yourself medically until you think your "there" and then you'd probably be fine. I think your a prime candidate for the use of mind power to calm or relax you unconscious mind as Ive mentioned on my previous poste. Good luck
Ace, that's quite interesting to me because I DO NOT want to take coumadin the rest of my life. I'm active, swimmer and runner, and I don't want to have to worry about injuring myself then bleeding out...
I'm not sure what I have. I'm seeing a blood guy today. As I understand it i'm low in a certain protein. I think the normal range is something like 62-100 or something like that, and I'm at 56.
I do have a lot of work to do with existential fears. I'm much better than I used to be, or at least I was, but now with my recent 61st birthday I've had a recurrence of that kind of anxiety. It sure is a battle at times... |
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tennis tom
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 10:43:32
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Originally posted by art
I do have a lot of work to do with existential fears. I'm much better than I used to be, or at least I was, but now with my recent 61st birthday I've had a recurrence of that kind of anxiety. It sure is a battle at times...
Art, have you gotten SteveO's book yet? In it he states a major TMS tension inducer is repressed anger over aging. Since I'm a budding Senior Age Group tournament player, I look forward to each new five year age level, transforming into a junior again. My heroes are guys like Ken Beer who I had the pleasure of meeting at a tournament once when he was competing in the 90's against young tikes in their 80's, because they didn't have anyone in his age group for him--HE WON!. He played everyday until 102 when he went to the great grass courts in the sky.
Another hero of mine, I had the pleasure of sharing a dinner table with is Alex Swetka, the number one player in the world in the 90'. He is petitioning the tennis governing body to create a new age group for 95's.
Another hero of mine Tom Brown, who recently passed on in his eighties. He played Jack Kramer in the 1947 Wimbledon finals. When Tom Brown was fifty he took a set off Jimmy Conners in his prime. I only compare myself to those in my age group because we've endured the effects of gravity for the same time.
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Ace1
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 10:44:57
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| Oh, prob protein C or S deficiency. Typically, it is really low if you have the genetic condition. I doubt you have it. At the level it is now, it may be low due to being already on coumadin when they drew your blood, (which falsifies the test), The clot in itself can consume the protien and make it look slightly low initially, but when checked down the line, OFF coumadin, it is usallly found to be normal. Get Kehoe's book and work on it like a PROJECT, in order to reverse your fears and calm the revved up mind. If you work on it daily alot, you will reverse it, it just takes time. |
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art
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 11:25:34
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Ace, I'll give it a go. It's nice to be able to speak to a physician on the forum. It's kind of you to take the time out of what I'm sure is a very hectic schedule. That's good to know on the blood level. My pcp wasn't sure how significant my number was, hence the referral to blood guy...
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TT, that all sounds good. I don't usually buy into the repressed rage model, but given my current situation, I'm more open to things than usual. Funny, that. How we often have to be up against it before being willing to move out of our comfort zone..
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art
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 11:48:06
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Originally posted by Ace1
Oh, prob protein C or S deficiency. Typically, it is really low if you have the genetic condition. I doubt you have it. At the level it is now, it may be low due to being already on coumadin when they drew your blood, (which falsifies the test), The clot in itself can consume the protien and make it look slightly low initially, but when checked down the line, OFF coumadin, it is usallly found to be normal. Get Kehoe's book and work on it like a PROJECT, in order to reverse your fears and calm the revved up mind. If you work on it daily alot, you will reverse it, it just takes time.
Ace, is this the "mind power" book I see on Amazon?
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Ace1
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 12:05:03
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| Yes, but get the most recent edition of mind power into the 21st century. Also when you get it, he does not tell you what your goal should be. I'm going to tell you that, make it peace which includes, calmness, forgiveness, confidence and patience. Dont have to work on being healthy, that will come when you attain what I have told you and you do this by using the techniques in the book. |
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art
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 12:14:14
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Originally posted by Ace1
He does not tell you what your goal should be. I'm going to tell you that, make it peace which includes, calmness, forgiveness, confidence and patience.
Each and every one of those virtues resonated deeply for me. "Calmness and forgiveness" especially. |
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balto
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 17:38:40
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Originally posted by Ace1
Pretty much, I think I'm probably at were most people on this forum would call cured, but I still have to use my mind power techniques when going to work or when the tension rises to prevent TMS, which means I still have more work to do. So, still improving, and unrestricted, with some occasional not too bad pain in conditioned situations. I'll post my success story when I feel that I'm not conditioned to anything anymore which I dont know how long that may take, but I'm Ok with that bc my improvement is steady and consistant. I am also no longer confused on what it is that is making me better. In terms of vision,which I am correcting too, from a -5 prescription, I'm proabably about halfway to 3/4 improved. Its kind of hard to quantify, bc of the fluctuations that occur, but thats the best I can estimate
It is hard to be a father and to love a stressful job. My dad have 9 kids and fought with the communist his whole life, I don't know how he is still alive and well. He know nothing about tms, all he does is gardening and meditating.
My optometrist sister laugh at me when I email her the link you gave the other day (http://www.central-fixation.com ) and told her I now no longer need her help anymore. :) She asks me how many people would follow the instruction on that site?
I'm going to try it and hope I can prove her wrong. Thanks for the link Ace1.
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Ace1
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Posted - 07/10/2012 : 07:03:00
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| Balto, I am happy to help you with vision correction, it is really a joy to be able to see with your own eyes again. The vision without glasses is much more vivid, and the 3d aspect is improved. I can't describe it, but youll see. You may ask, well you said your not cured, how do you know. Well in the process, you will get flashes of 20/20 and when you do youll see what Im talking about. Remember the goal is to try and not wear glasses as much as you can. In other words, when you dont need them , dont wear them. Also consider getting a pair of weakened glasses for when you do have to wear glasses. I started out with 50% of my orginal prescription. I got them for $20 at Zenni optical, which you can find on line. I havent really needed to wear them for over 6 months now. Also remember, this is very important, the secret with all of the methods described is relaxation of the mental and eye strain associated with the blurry vision. If any of the methods do not do this for you, then your doing it wrong (they are not just excersizes to do). You will with time start to see the very clear relationship of strain and blurry vision, and it will take practice and patience. Let me know of any questions you may have. Read Dr. Bates books and magazines on the site, they are the best, dont worry about the other authors, there is enough to read with dr. Bates alone |
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drh7900
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Posted - 07/10/2012 : 13:02:48
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I am fascinated by the possibility that I can reverse my need to wear glasses...I had read somewhere that some people have been able to return to normal vision after TMS healing (SteveO's book?). This is something I'm definitely interested in as I'm tired of dealing with glasses (smudges, scratches, etc) and I can't seem to wear contacts since I gave them up to go into basic training in the Army. Plus...with improved vision...hello! Less money spent on vision correction. Win/win, you ask me.
Regarding the original post by Art here...even Sarno says to check with a doctor for new symptoms you're not familiar with. Even if just to rule out something more serious...like cancer or like one of those clots you mentioned.
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Ace1
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Posted - 07/10/2012 : 13:05:41
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| oh also forgot to say, blinking is very helpful when your eyes are strained and when your trying to read things through your day. Dont stare at anything, if you cant see it, try to lightly move your vision over the area your looking at to see it from diffent angles, you cannot force it to be clear. Also when you dont have your glasses on try to practice reading things all day without straining or staring. Print the eye chart out from the website and practice reading it from diffent distances, |
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