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Littlebird
USA
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 Posted - 04/24/2008 : 13:33:01
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drziggles,
Thanks for giving your opinion about MSG. It's something I've wondered about too, since it always triggers a migraine if I eat more than a small amount of food that has it. It can be a little confusing to try to separate the "real" from the TMS when some sensitivities disappear but others remain. So it was helpful to read your thoughts on it. |
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armchairlinguist
USA
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Posted - 04/24/2008 : 17:31:44
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MSG is sort of a weird one. It's not clear that the effects people experience are always from it.
http://www.chowhound.com/topics/415757
This thread references a few others that in turn reference papers/studies.
http://www.chowhound.com/topics/412802
But there definitely are a few people on that thread who do seem to have severe reactions to all foods containing added MSG, so...
Very unclear.
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It's not 100% belief that's required, but 100% commitment. |
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Irirangi
New Zealand
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Posted - 04/27/2008 : 16:51:59
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Hi Littlebird
Thanks so much for your reply, its is very encouraging to hear about you and your friend. I get a burning chest and wheezing, sore ears and throat and sneezing, sometimes dizzy too.
I have felt a lot of anxiety about being able to live in my home - nervous about keeping exposing myself to the allergen and hence the allergy jumping to include more chenicals. I left to housesit and get a break, only to find a house 4m away was being painted. I returned home with renewed determination and very happy to be back.
I have been reading The Divided Mind and find it really helpful, not sure if I've lessened my symptoms yet but I have lessened my anxiety and can see good reasons for why I would be repressing feelings. I think persistence is my key now.
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kenny V
USA
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Posted - 04/28/2008 : 20:23:40
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I just want to be heard once and leave it there, let the reader do his/ her own research if they are really interested to get to the bottom of this. That is “WHY are we such a sick society. What causes disease, cancer, auto-immune, dysfunction, Chron’s, leaky gut, chemical sensitivities, allergies, bipolar, Alzheimer’s etc how bout asthma, AUTISM, ADD ADHD, learning disabilities … and what can cause a MAJOR EPIDEMIC AT THISLEVEL never seen before in the HISORY of mankind.
Science can and will be heard / disclosed the public. We have much well documented evidence from some brilliant people that show the trends in this unsolved epidemic. Do some research on Aids, polio, gulf war syndrome; anthrax (among the us soldiers), the bird flue epidemic; to name a few and you can discern for your self a common denominator in all of these epidemics. Actually once you lean this you will also learn how to treat your self and become a healthy person and avoid sickness.
A good place to start
http://www.nvic.org/
Fact:
Btw 1in every 6 children will be born in the US with either a medical condition or a learning disability
May I ask what is this from with our great so-called advances in science and state of the art medical systems?
Do some vaccine research over the years from vaccine data bases found within all countries, NOT just the USA follow the trends and LEARN from history what they puled and discontinued and mostly WHY?. Read the VAERS reports http://www.nvic.org/Issues/VAERS.htm
Some news
http://www.vaccinationnews.com/
http://www.wnho.net/vaccinationnews.htm
http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html
and make the connections for your self. Bottom line is ……
Vaccines do cause adverse reactions. Today it can’t denied they admit many of them. Read what is written even in the vaccines own disclosures/ studies. However Don’t just read that the GOV the FDA, CDC or some other organization Bc they said theirs no connection with Autism BECAUSE THAT IS THE FATHERST FROM THE TRUTH.
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/
An averse reaction is an averse reaction, and that does mean can contribute or causes. If the FDA and the CDC would only listen to the parents in what they see is an ADVERSE REACTION they would have to consider what their doing by playing a blind eye. However if it’s a cover-up and the Big Phama as well as major vaccine are involved you will have a mass panic and the public would loose trust
Think about two things. First the only way to have a mass epidemic at this level is through a vaccine campaign.
Remember a vaccine can reach the body’s immune system more effectively than any other form of administration it can even effect cells and be at cellular level in seconds. This is the fastest way to create a mass epidemic with any form of disease known to mankind.
Now let me say one more thing. If you read all the litititure listen to both sides of the debates you may not believe However if you have spoke to hundreds of people that the same thing happened to their kid you may believe. Better yet if you saw this happen to your own child, a beautiful developing baby disappears before your eyes. Talking playing singing reciting A, B, C, s than bang…. All gone looses language, eye intact an ability to socialize from just one damaging jab. If you don’t think this is real then perhaps you don’t know he reality of what happens everyday with our kids. I have spoken to many that this happened with .I have looked in the eyes of parents that knew the day they lost their kids. If you don’t believe I feel sorry to anyone who doesn’t believe and it happens to them or a loved one. Bottom line educate before you vaccinate.
http://thinktwice.com/
Myths and Timelines
http://www.nvic.org/myths.htm
http://www.rense.com/general62/inno.htm
http://www.whale.to/v/phillips.html#VACCINATION
http://www.relfe.com/vaccine.html
Adverse reactions are real
As always my best
Kenny v
Ps
Finally, to all those who are going to post comments about the autism rates in California not coming down, following the removal of thimerosal from most vaccines: You are right. The most likely explanation is that thimerosal was not responsible for the autism epidemic. But that does not mean that it never harmed a single child.
And keep in mind that, of the record 1000+ additional autism cases recorded in California last quarter, some 75% of them were children who were six years of age or older, and thus born well within the "thimerosal generation."
There is evidence that many factors could conceivably be keeping the California numbers higher than the national average, including aggressive early intervention and outreach to low-income families, increased immigration from countries that still use thimerosal (and immigrant children who are routinely re-immunized upon arrival) and migration of families from less progressive U.S. states eager for California's relative public largesse.
And remember that the CDC, wisely, does not conduct autism prevalence studies on children until they reach the age of 8, to account for any late stragglers entering the database. If thimerosal did not come out of vaccines entirely until 2003, then it won't be until 2011 before kids in that birth cohort are studied by the CDC, so vindicating thimerosal entirely might still be a tad premature.
Always Hope For Recovery
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JohnD
USA
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Posted - 04/29/2008 : 09:35:45
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Yes a large percentage of the population is using deoderant with aluminumn and the population as a whole is not very healthy.... but there are too many other factors to consider to draw conclusions |
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kenny V
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Dave
USA
1864 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2008 : 08:29:25
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| Kenny, I understand this is a personal crusade of yours and that you are very fervent in your beliefs, but this is off-topic for this forum. Please refrain from multiple posts on this issue. Thank you. |
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kenny V
USA
268 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2008 : 09:18:56
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Big Thanks Dave 
For allowing past / present posts in lieu of these sensitive yet controversial topics.
There are allot of sick people seeking medical help and treatment that are not getting better and cant figure out why. And most mainstream docs have not a clue how to help. Most only further complicate their condition and keep people in a cycle of life long chronic illness.
Thanks again for allowing… so those who want to possibly research further/ make connections to their current health status and get better. Most of all protect themselves and loved ones for any further complications.
Its ashamed our health care system has failed us and broke the first rule to practicing medicine
“ First do no harm”
Today the only way to get better is to take it upon ourselves, learn of our conditions and make applications accordingly.
Again thanks, ill leave it at that and end with two TMS quotes by our great Dr Sarno
As always you’re a heck of a great Guy Dave sacrificing allot of your time to help others 
Say hello to tennis Tom for me tell em I stopped by
My best to all
Kenny V
Dr Sarno's Quote
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One theory of how TMS works tells us that it is a defensive reaction of the mind to prevent expression of repressed rage and anxiety and that the pain is created when blood flow to the tissues is restricted by the autonomic nervous system.
Last Quote by Dr Sarno
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"The most important factor in recovery is that the person must be made aware of
what is going on...information...is the 'penicillin' for this disorder."
Always Hope For Recovery
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la_kevin
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 21:48:40
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I'm sensitive to MSG and Aspartame(BY the way, they are KNOWN neurotoxins and banned in some states).
I also respond negatively to laundry soaps and fabric softeners. If I wear clothes with too much soap residue on them, my skin 'stings' like I have little ants biting me.
This is NOT TMS in my case. I switched laundry detergents to a completely natural soap, and I have no problems with it anymore.
People have chemical sensitivities, why would that be so outlandish to believe. They're chemicals. And they usually contain things not found in the human body, so they are in fact 'foreign'.
I'd like to see someone drink 4 tablespoons of MSG or Aspartame straight, no chaser, and come back to this board and tell us it's "TMS" when they end up face down going into a coma or convulsing in a seizure.
Please do this test if you feel so strongly it's TMS. Let us know how it works out for ya.
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 05/03/2008 : 10:36:07
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I always know when Chinese food has MSG because the back of my neck tingles and feels warm.
There is no doubt that our bodies are sensitive to certain chemicals. Our immune systems are not perfect.
Nevertheless I believe TMS can sieze these opportunities as well, to turn what might be a fairly innocuous overreaction by our immune system into a bigger one, triggering more symptoms. IMO anything that is controlled by the unconscious mind is fair game for the gremlin. |
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AmyAJJ
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Posted - 05/04/2008 : 06:30:41
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I think my MCS was brought on by a chemical exposure as a TMS convenience. I was working in a new building and my TMS had already been triggered before I moved into that building. Then when I got to the building and there was all this NEW contruction and furniture, the mind took advantage and hid as distracting symptoms there too.
For me most of my TMS has to do with SAFETY. If I don't feel safe, and secure, my mindbody creates things to cripple my body so that I don't interact with the world as much. So that I stay in bed where it's "safe" from all the terrible **** that happens out in the world.
I don't struggle with MCS anymore. I can walk down the laundry aisle of a grocery store. I can be in someone's house with a scented candle. I can work out near someone with cologne in the gym. These things are not issues that have me freaking out anymore. It has to do with safety for me which was a core childhood issue for me also. As I healed my childhood fears of not being safe and started finding safety in my everyday life as an adult, my symptoms of MCS disappeared. |
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Multiple Chemical Sensitivity?
