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bbz
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 Posted - 02/16/2005 : 19:58:58
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| hi, just found this sight and i could use some help...i have just read healing back pain a couple time in the past few weeks and am trying to work through some lower back pain that i have had for awhile...it started as neck pain, then mid back and now lower back...i really believe that it is TMS (the obvious signs of movement of pain, stress in life) and it went away for a week, but this week it is back...my problem is there is still a little part of me that is unsure. by that i mean, in the past i knew when my back was "out" of alignment and i would get an adjustment and feel better (for awhile)...well this week it feels out, but i don't want to get adjusted as i feel i would be starting over...i guess i need reassurance and support. i have been spending time reflecting about what emotions are causing it, but i am not getting anywhere, maybe its just my little bit of doubt...how do i get over it?? thanks a bunch |
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Baseball65
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2005 : 20:27:15
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Hi BBZ
You get over it by following the list of directives in the book,i.e. the 12 daily reminders,challenging the conditioning,and continuing your emotional introspection....you didn't say how long you've been "practicing" the Sarno way,so it's difficult to assess where you are with it.
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in the past i knew when my back was "out" of alignment and i would get an adjustment and feel better (for awhile)...well this week it feels out
I'm certain you read the part on chiropractic adjustments.....there is nothing "out" so there is nothing to be put "in"....no manual manipulation can change anything ,other than lightening your wallet.
If it has worked in the past,it was a good placebo response.
Continue to do what you are doing: quote:
i have been spending time reflecting about what emotions are causing it
It is not of paramount importance early on whether or not you figure out what exactly is the problem(s)...it IS important that you retrain your Brain that you know what it is up to.....doubt is normal...I know of No one who has recovered who didn't experience any...we were programmed too long...you will develop confidence as time goes on and you have moments of clarity,and eventual recovery.
Expect to get better.
peace
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 02/17/2005 : 08:32:10
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Getting over chiropractic was one of the toughest things for me.
I had seen a chiropractor for over 15 years (a good friend of mine). Sarno forced me to accept that it was all nonsense.
I had become conditioned to "feel" when my back was "out" and when I was in "need" of an adjustment. The adjustment would usually provide a (placebo) cure for a few days.
Now I have reconditioned myself to accept those same feelings as signs of TMS. I have not been to the chiropractor for years.
It's difficult, but an absolutely necessary step of recovery for you to stop seeing the chiropractor. |
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Michele
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Posted - 02/17/2005 : 08:36:58
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Originally posted by Dave
Getting over chiropractic was one of the toughest things for me.
I had seen a chiropractor for over 15 years (a good friend of mine). Sarno forced me to accept that it was all nonsense.
I had become conditioned to "feel" when my back was "out" and when I was in "need" of an adjustment. The adjustment would usually provide a (placebo) cure for a few days.
Now I have reconditioned myself to accept those same feelings as signs of TMS. I have not been to the chiropractor for years.
It's difficult, but an absolutely necessary step of recovery for you to stop seeing the chiropractor.
I'm in the same chiropractic boat.  I've seen them for 30 years and I stopped seeing mine on September 1st. However, I lapsed and saw him last week. I have no other appointments scheduled but like Dave, this is one area that I'm struggling with. |
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Wilf
Canada
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Posted - 02/17/2005 : 08:56:45
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I also had Chiropractic "adjustments" for over 30 years, and, like Dave, I had a placebo "cure" for a couple of days. The interesting thing was that a certain pain, say in the lower back, would go away with the adjustment, but a new pain would come up a few days later in a different place, in either the neck or shoulder . The adjustment would relieve that and the old pain would come back. My pains migrated all over my back, upper, lower, left or right, and came with different degrees of severity. I did not know I had TMS. Once I read MBP, it was quite obvious what I was suffering from.
I stopped all "hands on" treatments 3 years ago and have not had a re-ocurrence of the pains that I thought necessitated the treatments in the first place. I still have some low-grade pain, mostly in my neck, but nothing what I had before.
If Chiropractors could cure anyone, they would soon be out of business. |
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Albert
USA
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Posted - 02/17/2005 : 09:52:00
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I used to see a chiropractor for several years. Obviously he didn't help me.
When I think of how he used to do adjustments, there is no way that he would be able to know what precise adjustment needs to be done.
Plus I looked at one of those model spines closely, and the vertebra overlap each other in a manner that results in a lot of spine integrity. It doesn't seem that they could get disengaged in a manner that would require them to have the need of being put back in place. Plus there are various ligaments which provide support.
On the otherhand, TMS theory provides a completely logical reason for why a person will feel off balance/out of alignment/tilted at times. Lower back area muscles that have been tensed up by TMS on only one side of a person's body. There is no way that a chiropractor's adjustment will fix such tensing. |
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Jim D.
USA
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Posted - 02/17/2005 : 14:41:25
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To Dave:
Just curious--is your former chiropractor still a good friend? How did he/she react when you stopped going? |
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 02/17/2005 : 15:28:34
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Originally posted by Jim D.
To Dave:
Just curious--is your former chiropractor still a good friend? How did he/she react when you stopped going?
Yes, we're still friends. I really did not have a regular appointment with him, I just went when I felt I "needed" it. So the topic of my not going anymore really hasn't come up. Once in awhile he'll ask how my back is doing, and I say 'good.'
He is a very intelligent, highly persuasive individual. I specifically avoided mentioning Dr. Sarno early in the process so as to not risk shaking my faith in the TMS theory. But now I'm confident that there is no risk of going back to 'the dark side'  |
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bbz
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Posted - 02/17/2005 : 16:52:36
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| thanks everyone, i have been really tempted to go, but after reading today i absolutely will not go and i will get through this.... |
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TMS and 100% believing
