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ozagnes
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 Posted - 04/23/2012 : 02:18:15
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I have had a setback in the last 1-2 months, probably caused by lots of stresses in my life, so I am increasing my reading, writing etc.
I am learning a lot, but I think I have identified two things that my mind gets stuck on and give doubt a good chance to settle in...here there are:
1) oxygen deprivation vs neural pathways.
I am a scientist and a perfectionist. So my rational mind needs to know to beleive. And here we are presented with 2 theories, one of which would be supported by the current knowledge in neuroscience. So, is the problem in the brain, or is the problem local, in the muscle? central or peripheral? It should not make any difference, and I know it, because whatever the mecanics are, it is the fuel (emotions/repression) that is important. no fuel, no pain. And actually I think probably BOTH are involved, pain is learnt by conditionning in the brain (by strengthening of solicited neural pathways), and these neural pathways ultimatly "order" blood restriction at the peripheral level, hence blood deprivation, muscle tension and all the local reaction resulting in pain.
But still, it drives me crazy! It is like the chicken and the egg, is the pain in the brain or in the muscle/nerve? I know I have to beleive but I don't know WHAT to beleive (even if it does not mater)and that is destabilising me.
2)conditionning vs rage
I fully accept that pain can be a result of conditionning. Pavlov's dog (and much scientific data) does not lie, and I actually think a large part of my pain is caused by conditionning. It is only AFTER I was diagnosed and I read that some people could not even sit, that I started having problems sitting. I also know I must have a pretty full rage reservoir, considering my past and present issues, no surprises here. BUT, is my pain entirely caused by conditionning/programming, or is my internal conflicts and rage also causing the pain. Somehow if I am honest with myself, I tend to think "I know I have psychological problems, but to the point of creating pain? no, I have pain because I have been told by doctors I had something terrible and non-currable. Purely nocebo effect, that's it!". My ego plays in here and thinks I am above this. Ego is ok to beleive emotions can cause pain to some people, but me? How hypocritical ;)
And then comes the battle, I rationally try to convince myself that it does not matter if it is in my brain or in my blood, and that my pain is caused by both conditionning and repressed rage, but see, I am still at the stage of convincing. I know I need to beleive without doubt, and these details in the TMS theory are enough to set me back, I am sure.
Any advice or comment? Thanks :) |
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Sarnotic-nerve
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 06:01:16
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I think you have to view it as,
"oxygen deprivation and neural pathways."
"conditioning and rage."
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Edited by - Sarnotic-nerve on 04/23/2012 09:53:46 |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 10:34:23
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Originally posted by ozagnes
...So, is the problem in the brain, or is the problem local, in the muscle?
...and these neural pathways ultimatly "order" blood restriction at the peripheral level, hence blood deprivation, muscle tension and all the local reaction resulting in pain.
But still, it drives me crazy! It is like the chicken and the egg, is the pain in the brain or in the muscle/nerve? I know I have to beleive but I don't know WHAT to beleive (even if it does not mater)and that is destabilising me.
... I rationally try to convince myself that it does not matter if it is in my brain or in my blood,
It is both in the brain and the body. But it originates in the brain and the subconscious shuts off the O2 to any part of the body that is currently socially acceptable to discuss in public. For your scientific proof, it's in the books. Dr. Sarno cites a maybe Swedish? study (they're the best kind, they used to make Volvos) done by bonafide "scientists" who found that cells exhibited stress on a cellular level, when deprived of 02.
For more proof read-up on Dr. Candace Pert who has discovered how polyneuropeptides convey emotions on a mindbody level. The nervous system is an elaborate communication system that works electro-chemically monitoring and communicating functioning in the mindbody, both from the brain and back to it. It's a wiring system running through nerves, cranio-sacral fluid, synapses, propreoceptors and all that stuff--it's instantaneous like flipping a light switch.
All the scientific "proofs" are there for the physiological mechanisms of how TMS functions on an anatomical biological level. I suggest taking some of your scientific perfectionism and carefully reading the Good Doctor's four books carefully for your scientific clinical evidence--I've found from perusing this board that the TMS gremlin has it's ways of subconsciously blinding us from finding the truths we need to get better that Dr. Sarno has so carefully laid out. |
Edited by - tennis tom on 04/23/2012 10:35:59 |
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wrldtrv
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 12:08:14
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Yes, all of the above! I know firsthand how easy it is to get caught up in the details, not being able to commit without all the uncertainties banished. The point is, TMS theory is evolving based upon the most current evidence. What it looks like 20 years from now may look different, but the basic idea is sound. There is no doubt that TMS happens. The how is secondary.
By the way, your dilemma about whether pain is in the brain or the tissues is easy. Pain can ONLY be experienced in the brain, so what might be happening in the tissues is relative. Two people with the same tissue damage might have very different pain experiences. |
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