| Author |
 Topic  |
|
kenny V
USA
268 Posts |
 Posted - 03/06/2012 : 10:58:46
|
quote:
Originally posted by mala
Then I started watching a few videos by joe dispenza. One in particular had a deep impact. It's about how people dealt with illness. The gist is that those who were successful in overcoming their sickeness were people who wre willing to change .they had to become someone different. That somehow resonated with me. If I can,t change my past, my childhood, the people around me, the situations and circumstances well at least I can change myself and the way I deal with things . I can change the way I think. I really have to work at it though. It requires practice.
.
I saw a program on bbc recently about how different people deal with pain. In poorer countries or remote places wher there are few doctors people deal with pain in a very matter of fact way. It's not that they feel it less they just have better ways of coping. They believe they will get better becoz there is no one telling them they won't. They have to get better and surprisingly they do.
Anyway I'm still a work in progress.
Good Luck & Good Health
Mala
Wonderful Post and like Tom said Sounds like a great outline for TMS healing for the newbees JMHO It should be put in a help/ section for useful suggestions for those struggling With TMS and / or just getting started.
In addition I think that many folks should study how illnesses are treated in other cultures . One would
be amazed of allot things they do different. For one what doesn’t exist in other countries. As well as how poor our health system is. And mostly how smart they actually are with out all the latest and greatest test tools.
My Best
Kenny V
quote:
They believe they will get better becoz there is no one telling them they won't. They have to get better and surprisingly they do
 good stuff
Always Hope For Recovery
|
Edited by - kenny V on 03/06/2012 11:00:06 |
 |
|
|
catmac
United Kingdom
57 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 11:05:23
|
[quote]Originally posted by mala
[
I think what started the process was doing the structured program on the website. Although prior to that I had read many books on tms I had never journalled . I did all the other stuff like think psychological , ignore the pain etc but putting pen to paper was always difficult. The program requires you to write a lot . In the beginning I didn't,t know what to do , I felt I had nothing to express but once I got going i began to understand better what was happening and it gave lots to think about. The great thing about the program is it is very structured & there is feedback available if you feel stuck. I am very grateful to everyone out there who has made this program available & to those who are still working on it.
Hi Mala,
I'm new to this forum, can you tell me where the 'structured program website' is? I have just finished reading Dr Sarno's books and started to journal but am having many blank moments. Sorry if this info is already on the forum but I used the search engine and didnt manage to find it. |
|
|
|
Bugbear
United Kingdom
152 Posts |
|
|
mala
Hong Kong
774 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 19:09:37
|
Thx bugbear for the link & catmac keep us posted on how you are doing.
Indeed Kenny its the way those people think in cultures where there are few doctors & medical facilities that helps them get better quicker. It the way they think.
There are groups of thoughts that cluster together that you need to break in order to move on. Usually these t noughts are negative ones & you may find there is a pattern to them. For example the pain comes on & you go. Oh no, then the next feeling is anxiety or fear & the thought associated is this is here to stay or I'm not getting better. Sarno says that we should think emotional or psychological, think about what emotion we are repressing. Well when you have delved all you can delve & journalled all you can journal, there comes a time when thinking about the past does not serve you anymore & that is what I found with myself in fact it became awfully depressing.
The next stage is then to break those negative thought patterns . Every time you find yourself having a cluster of negative thoughts you must interrupt them and not allow them to continue. That is important if we are to recover.
Good Luck & Good Health
Mala |
|
|
|
bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 23:12:22
|
Mala,
Grateful you've been posting more. Very insightful. Thanks.
|
|
|
|
mala
Hong Kong
774 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2012 : 02:52:16
|
Thank you bryan3000.
I do really think why some people get better quicker than others is becoz of the way they think about their pain and also their attitude towards it
Good Luck & Good Health
Mala |
|
|
|
BecB
30 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2012 : 06:56:24
|
Mala,
I agree that this is the issue I have. Were you able to just sit with the pain, even when it was at a level 10? I am confused whether it is best to sit with the pain, day after day, or to take a medication to calm myself down in the short term. I read differing ideas on this topic. I am really angry at myself for letting things spiral back into pain, panic, depression mode. I thought I had done enough work so that it wasn't possible but I guess that is not the case.
Becca |
|
|
|
mala
Hong Kong
774 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2012 : 17:06:00
|
BecB, personally I'd make myself as comfortable as possible. Painkillers, patches, gels whatever. It's very hard to focus on anything when you are in pain. You just get more and fearful & anxious and then your body tenses up and you get even more despondent and this cycle is just awful. You beat yourself up becoz you are hurting too much to think psychologically & I,ve noticed here that a lot of people start having this guilt thing about taking medicine or doing anything to ease the pain.
Even Sarno says to take something if the pain is too bad. Of course you must remember that the real cure lies in the mental work & changing the way you think.
Good Luck & Good Health
Mala |
|
|
|
taxman
Canada
20 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2012 : 19:15:50
|
quote:
Originally posted by BecB
I am really angry at myself for letting things spiral back into pain, panic, depression mode.
Becca, I really recommend you shift that thinking. Yourself protected you the best way it knew how. You've learned from it and now, you're taking positive steps. Please don't get "mad" at yourself because you're whamming yourself with a major nocebo! It's OK. We're all human and we need to try different things to find what works.
How about saying, "I'm proud of myself because I am taking an active protocol to improve my health and since I have learned new things, I will trust the process and not judge my progress but rather, take things moment by moment all the while relishing in the fact that I am improving and that's amazing news!"
 |
|
|
|
PhilMid
United Kingdom
28 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2012 : 05:00:30
|
Mala – many thanks for starting the ball rolling on this post on how important it is for us to recognise how our thoughts can affect the body.
Here is a simple exercise that helps. Each day, think of 10 things (or more) that you are grateful for. So little effort and easy to do anywhere.
Phil
|
|
|
|
tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2012 : 06:54:43
|
quote:
Originally posted by taxman
quote:
Originally posted by BecB
I am really angry at myself for letting things spiral back into pain, panic, depression mode.
...Yourself protected you the best way it knew how. You've learned from it and now,...
...Please don't get "mad" at yourself because you're whamming yourself with a major nocebo!
...We're all human and we need to try different things to find what works.
How about saying, "I'm proud of myself because I am taking an active protocol to improve my health and since I have learned new things, I will trust the process and not judge my progress but rather, take things moment by moment all the while relishing in the fact that I am improving and that's amazing news!"
Good post Taxman, very TMS insightful points!
|
|
|
|
kenny V
USA
268 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2012 : 08:58:03
|
quote:
Originally posted by mala
I do really think why some people get better quicker than others is becoz of the way they think about their pain and also their attitude towards it
Good Luck & Good Health
Mala
Indeed Kenny its the way those people think in cultures where there are few doctors & medical facilities that helps them get better quicker. It the way they think
Not to change the subject of “change”
But id like to add comment on those who believe they will get better , commit to it work hard at it and get better.
One example I wanted to share (wrote about this some time ago but cant find it)..
Anyhows in short . If you look at rehabilitation of Military soldiers who have had severe battle wounds/ limbs blown off , they are among the fastest recovery rates . One reason to note is they were trained to fight and not give up. They would not settle for anything less than victory..
Think about it.... many that overcome a disability and beat the odds go on to accomplish great things too.
My best
Kenny v
Always Hope For Recovery
|
|
|
|
Topic |
|
You have to change
