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rbart4506
Canada
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 Posted - 02/23/2012 : 06:09:34
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Been making progress the last week...
Pain in the back :) is better during the day and I've been able to ditch the cane. Range of motion is also improving. The nice thing about the improvement is that everyone has stopped asking how I am doing. Makes it easier to not focus on the physical and actually think about the emotions....Which is much harder then I ever thought...
I guess being an athlete I am so use to focus on my body and how it's performing that I need to change my way of thinking...
The one area that isn't improving is night time and sleeping. I'm ok when I go to bed, but usually only last about 5hrs before I wake up and notice the pain. I try and not think about it and do fall back asleep, but it always broken until I finally get up.
I wonder if it's partially related to the fact I have a low resting heart rate and there's naturally less blood flowing around my body at that time. Add in the fact that 'TMS' causes mild oxygen deprivation in the muscles already and those two things jack up the pain.
But, I'll take it when comparing to where I was just over a week and a bit ago.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 02/23/2012 : 06:55:23
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You're getting plenty of sleep, five hours is a good stretch. Don't lie there and ruminate, it will only get you depressed. One thing you can do is do a search here about "sleep" and look up some of my past posts about that subject. I used to have pain while trying to sleep and it has gone away. I'm using a cane after playing three sets of tennis and it's amazing the little bit of balance it affords can be useful. I just got it, it's by Leki and telescopes into itself and becomes pretty short when not in use. Kind of pricey but cool and could come in handy if I get jumped by some hoodlums someday.
I don't think it has anything to do with your low resting heart-rate, you just got enough sleep, get up and do something, read or watch some tapes on tv or if you have a DVR save up some shows for when you wake -up. I woke up and I'm replying to your post and watching the Tennis Channel.
Cheers
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Wodg
Australia
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Posted - 02/23/2012 : 09:09:46
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Yeah 5 hours is plenty of sleep. This 7-8 hours thing is a load of rubbish.
Sometimes I will wake up at 2am and start doing house work. It can be a beautiful part of the day.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 02/23/2012 : 09:50:51
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Originally posted by Wodg
Yeah 5 hours is plenty of sleep. This 7-8 hours thing is a load of rubbish.
Sometimes I will wake up at 2am and start doing house work. It can be a beautiful part of the day.
Right you are Wodg, this sleep cycle we are supposed to conform to is a product of the industrial age and the assembly line. We've been taught as a cultural norm to go to sleep together (not literally, but that may be fun and a TMS tension reducer), and wake up together. "Rubbish" as you so accurately phrased it. Anthropologist have found in non-industrial cultures, people wake-up when they got enough sleep in the middle of the night and are productive, weave baskets, make stuff, hunt and gather for night critters and such. Studies of marathon runners showed there was NO drop-off in performance due to pre-race insomnia and not getting a "full nights" sleep. If your body needs sleep you will sleep. Our culture makes us feel guilty when we don't conform to it's sleep "rules"--it becomes another contributor to our TMS rage reservoirs filling to over-flowing. I like nothing better than to take a nice couple of hours nap in the afternoon. One can also be much more creatively productive working in the wee hours when all the "noise" of civilization is quieted. |
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Marlawantstohike
USA
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Posted - 02/23/2012 : 09:57:37
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Tried to search the word sleep and it just pulled me back to front page nothing new.
I have been having a hard time sleeping also lately. Pain in legs comes at night and when I am on either side which is how I sleep.
I try to ignore now that I know the problem is not physical but hard.
It's hard to do stuff in middle of night without waking my husband if I got up. But I have read and gone on iPad. |
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rbart4506
Canada
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Posted - 02/23/2012 : 09:58:35
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No offense guys, but with the training I normally do I need more then 5hrs to properly recover. Usually I'm closer to the 7hr mark.
I can handle 5hrs, but after a few days I begin to suffer a bit...
It's not a huge deal, but the last place I am seeing improvement...
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 02/23/2012 : 10:58:58
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Originally posted by Marlawantstohike
Tried to search the word sleep and it just pulled me back to front page nothing new.
It's hard to do stuff in middle of night without waking my husband if I got up. But I have read and gone on iPad.
No worries, I summarized it in my previous post. There's probably ten pages in the archives if you "search" the word sleep. By the time you go half way through them you will probably fall asleep.
Happiness is being single! Having to put other's needs before our inner child's is TMS tension/rage creating. When my gf sleeps over, she sticks ear-plugs in and puts an eye mask on. Even then I can't turn the TV on, having to worry if the lap-top is too bright and don a hat-light so I can read a magazine. I'll lie there wide awake ruminating.
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Edited by - tennis tom on 02/23/2012 17:54:29 |
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balto
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Posted - 02/23/2012 : 15:52:16
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one time, a doctor told me the worst thing you can do while having sleep problem is worry about not getting enough sleep. The more you "try" to sleep the harder it is going to be.
Just get yourself in a relaxing routine before bed, and if you can't sleep well, so what. You will once your stress is gone or subside. Sleep have to come natural, it can not be force. |
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Darko
Australia
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Posted - 02/23/2012 : 17:25:50
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rbart,
this is exactly what I suffered with for many many years. If you NEED to get more sleep try waking and takin a pain killer. I did this for a long time...not good I know. However not getting enough sleep, getting depressed isn't good either. Connect and allow yourself to get emotional before you go to sleep. Also squeezing your muscles as tight as you can for long as you can helps.
I also found chamomile tea helps. 5HTP and L-Tyrosine are also a must if your getting depressed. The problem is an over stimulated nervous system, your focus must be easing the tension on the nervous system and then living in such a way to not pump more tension back into it. You just have some bad habits that need changing....negativity, stress, worry, anxiety and a bad relationship to your emotions.
If you haven't read Scott Brady's Pain Free for Life, then I suggest you do. You will get a better understanding of how TMS works.
Good luck
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rbart4506
Canada
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Posted - 02/23/2012 : 18:41:01
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Thanks guys...
Honestly not getting depressed about the sleeping thing, it hasn't been too bad. I'm use to getting up and making the walk to the bathroom, so having broken sleep is normal.
Definitely have to work on the bad habits...
The double edge sword here for me is the lack of training, since that was a major stress release.... |
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balto
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Posted - 02/24/2012 : 05:21:31
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Originally posted by rbart4506
Thanks guys...
Honestly not getting depressed about the sleeping thing, it hasn't been too bad. I'm use to getting up and making the walk to the bathroom, so having broken sleep is normal.
Definitely have to work on the bad habits...
The double edge sword here for me is the lack of training, since that was a major stress release....
Broken, segmented sleep is normal according to this article at BBC news: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16964783 . Maybe you're one of those normal and the rest of us here are not normal rbart! |
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rbart4506
Canada
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Posted - 02/24/2012 : 06:07:45
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What a difference a night makes...
The night before was not good, a reason for the original post, and the pain had kicked up a bit. During the day the pain relaxed, but the stress went up. Some days work just gets to me and this was one of those days.
By the time I got home I was sore and grumpy and overall not in a very good mood...Not a good combo for 'TMS'...
I read a bit of Abigail Steidley's Ebook and tried relaxing as much as possible...I wasn't having a lot of luck...
My wife, who also has anxiety and stress issues has been taking Clonazepam to help with her nerves. Every so often she'll slip me a pill if I'm having a particularly bad day....I know not the thing to do...But, today I needed it! I took the pill, went to bed an hour later and slept. I woke up, looked at the clock, saw 1am and went back to sleep. I then woke at just before 5am and the first thing I noticed was a lack of pain in my leg. I laid there for a bit and just relaxed.
When I got up the leg was bothering me, but no where near as bad as it has. This definitely proves to me that stress/anxiety has so much to with this issue.
I know medication is not the answer, but at times it is useful to take the edge off so that you are able to focus on the task at hand. The task for me is getting my head fully wrapped around the mind-body connection and how to get control back...
Feeling so much more positive today, I have to build on this!
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 02/24/2012 : 08:24:20
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Thanks for that article Balto, I excerpted some of it that applies to TMS directly:
"But the majority of doctors still fail to acknowledge that a consolidated eight-hour sleep may be unnatural.
"Over 30% of the medical problems that doctors are faced with stem directly or indirectly from sleep. But sleep has been ignored in medical training and there are very few centres where sleep is studied," he says.
Jacobs suggests that the waking period between sleeps, when people were forced into periods of rest and relaxation, could have played an important part in the human capacity to regulate stress naturally.
In many historic accounts, Ekirch found that people used the time to meditate on their dreams.
"Today we spend less time doing those things," says Dr Jacobs. "It's not a coincidence that, in modern life, the number of people who report anxiety, stress, depression, alcoholism and drug abuse has gone up."
So the next time you wake up in the middle of the night, think of your pre-industrial ancestors and relax. Lying awake could be good for you." |
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Argh! I hate night time...
