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Wavy Soul
USA
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 Posted - 02/16/2012 : 22:54:40
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I have had the most INTENSE dry eyes in the last few months (since I went to UK when my stepmother died). My emotions about the death were a lot of anger and sadness (she didn't leave me my dad's full legacy). I acknowledged the anger and did some release work and feel like I've let it go. And I'm challenging the Will, but dry eyes still VERY intense.
Please don't come on here and tell me to "forgive" or any kind of "advice," but if you have some good ole TMS or personal experience to share, this symptom is agonizing and debilitating and absolutely has me googling the sh*t out of the dry eyes cure sites.
There is also the matter of dry eyes being a common symptom after a hysterectomy (which I had a year ago for cancer) so I am pursuing medical advice too.
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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Wodg
Australia
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Posted - 02/17/2012 : 04:59:35
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I had dry eyes in high school I hated high school.
Hopefully your compulsive mind will replace it with something equally horrific in the near future ;)(google is your friend) |
Edited by - Wodg on 02/17/2012 05:00:27 |
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jaya
USA
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Posted - 02/17/2012 : 05:07:58
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| when my father had a stroke last year i had extreme dry eyes, eye doctors thought they were eye ulcers-they were wrong it was tms-eye ulcers that just pop up after a very stressful event?? i dont think so...if ever i needed a distraction, it was then. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Wodg
Australia
89 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2012 : 05:34:59
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| I was thinking that sometimes you have to say stuff it! go to the doctor, take eye drops or double whiskey on the rocks... do whatever it takes to give yourself some relief. This can then allow yourself to start moving forward. |
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kstarnes
USA
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Posted - 02/17/2012 : 10:26:32
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I have had dry eyes for the past 20+ years of my life. I never knew that would be a symptom of TMS? I have been using restasis for the past 5 years and it has helped. Unfortunately that stuff ain't cheap! The more I find out about TMS, the more I realize it has run my life for so long. Anyone know how to minimize the dry eye effects of TMS? Thanks for sharing!
kevin starnes |
Edited by - kstarnes on 02/17/2012 10:29:05 |
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lynnl
USA
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Posted - 02/17/2012 : 10:49:35
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Yep, I had dry eyes for 4 or 5 years. The problem cleared up once I developed other pains, i.e. neck and then sciatica.
I would keep a saturated (cold water) paper towel at my desk at work and ever few minutes apply the wetness to my eyes. I found that every bit as effective as eye drops. It was miserable! ...but the subsequent neck and butt/leg pains that replaced it were even worse.
I had no idea what the cause was at the time. But after I discovered the Sarno/TMS sciatica cure, I then realized the dry eyes syndrome was just another manifestation of the TMS.
Haven't had a bit of a problem with it since.
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art
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Posted - 02/18/2012 : 10:36:44
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Another dry eye guy here. Drives me insane. Only happens at night though, when I wake up with orbs so desiccated you'd think I was sleeping in an oven. Hah! Or something like that anyway.
I just chalk it up to age. I've tried various medicaments...but the effect is too temporary to make them worthwhile. I find my natural lubricants work best. For instance, if I can work up a yawn that automatically makes my eyes water. |
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balto
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Posted - 02/18/2012 : 10:45:04
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Originally posted by art
Another dry eye guy here. Drives me insane. Only happens at night though, when I wake up with orbs so desiccated you'd think I was sleeping in an oven. Hah! Or something like that anyway.
I just chalk it up to age. I've tried various medicaments...but the effect is too temporary to make them worthwhile. I find my natural lubricants work best. For instance, if I can work up a yawn that automatically makes my eyes water.
Have you try sad movies Art?
I tried Bausch & Lomb's Artificial Tears and it does helped. |
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Wavy Soul
USA
779 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2012 : 22:36:20
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Thanks everyone.
I had never heard of it, and it turns out to be a very common hormonal symptom after hysterectomy, so I'm pursuing that resolution. I don't really get why it would be TMS. I mean, I just had cancer. Was THAT TMS? And this is a common after-effect for women.
Not that I don't have TMS, but that doesn't make everything TMS.
On the other hand, in my life I have had symptom after symptom that are not common TMS things and they have eventually disappeared mostly of their own accord and - yes - been replaced by other things. In the meantime, I need relief. It isn't as simply as just eyedrops - I haven't found any that work. Going to eye doc on Monday.
Thanks, Tom. I'm sending you a PM.
thanks to all
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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Wavy Soul
USA
779 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2012 : 22:39:13
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Since a few of you have dry eye, Manuka honey placed in the eye brings some very good-feeling tears.
And there is huge amount of research linking it to low androgens, so DHEA or testosterone eye drops are miraculous for some people.
Ok, Dave, I'm outa here! 
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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lynnl
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2012 : 17:18:09
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Wavy soul, you do raise a valid question: is the dry eye syndrome a TMS form or equivalent?
I'm not sure that it, and many of the other conditions can be absolutely ruled as TMS, without very extensive research and UNBIASED testing. Dr Sarno has identified many conditions as TMS that really aren't a muscle/skeletal pain, per se, e.g. eczema. But if we accept the notion that the purpose is to distract us and hold our attention, and also accept that mindbody is capable of producing any imaginable response in our bodies, then it's only logical that dry eyes very well could be TMS.
In my case, 1) there were no other reasons that I could ever identify and no eye doctors could suggest; 2) the fact it would sort of fluctuate (both presence and intensity) by the hour, day, week, and month for a few years with no apparent environmental change; 3) the fact that it disappeared (permanently so far) once other, more painful TMS issues developed, all taken together lead me to believe strongly that it was most definitely TMS. I'm now about 15 years older than when it last bothered me; if anything I would expect it to be more of an issue now, at age 68 (Today!...happy birthday to me. The banks and Post Office were closed in my honor, apparently.  )
Had I known about TMS back when I was having the problem I could probably have gauged its fluctuating behavior against my emotional states at the time, and made a more educated guess about the cause. But that was not the case, so I can only speculate now.
Lynn
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I noticed your comment: <qoute> And there is huge amount of research linking it to low androgens, so DHEA or testosterone eye drops are miraculous for some people.
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That's what I was alluding to with my "UNBIASED" qualifier above. All of these test results we're treated to by various intitutes and pharcological studies, as far as I know, NEVER really include emotions or mental factors in their criteria. At least I never see it stated or implied. |
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altherunner
Canada
511 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2012 : 21:57:08
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| I had intense symptoms when my mother and father passed, about 10 years apart. I spoke to Don Dubin on the phone, he said my symptoms were the result of anger, not grief, like I thought. You know it's anger, but they still persist, annoying this tms,isn't it? I have also been getting dry eyes for the last few months, and never thought it may be tms sneaking up on me. Hope you are better soon. |
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Wavy Soul
USA
779 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2012 : 05:56:06
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Thanks for these thoughts - happy birthday Madame President Lynnl!
Well, yeah, I doubt that emotions were criteria in these studies, (but they were NOT studies done for commercial purposes - the industry standard is still drugs and various kinds of eye gunk, and to get the hormone drops you have to get them compounded)...
...anyway, if 95% of people with severe dry eye were shown to be androgen deficient then even if one could control for emotions, everyone has emotions. I have written this before, but although I absolutely believe I have TMS, I don't believe I am any worse in my emotional make-up than the average bear, and better than most actually - I've done 30 years of work and I know what I feel, etc. So I still tend to think that there is some kind of underpinning to my TMS along the lines of being a "Highly Sensitive Person" by makeup, and I personally have definitely noticed that hormones have a LOT to do with this.
In fact, in the few times when my hormones are well-balanced, I don't have many physical symptoms at all.
There is a book called "It's Your Hormones, Stupid" that points out that many problems women have are hormone related yet docs treat them with drugs. For example, menstrual migraines, menopausal depression, etc.
Now, what makes hormones go off may be emotional. But everyone has emotions. Every stage of life has its own stresses.
What I'm trying to say is that even if something is emotional, if a study shows that a physical problem is highly correlated to another physical factor, the fact that emotions may come in doesn't matter, since it's true across the board, and you can't control for it in a statistical study.
Having said all that, I'm very pleased that you and others are saying this is TMS, because although I absolutely have to find relief where I can, I'm now taking it less and less seriously, and maybe I won't now plan my life around Dry Eye Syndrome.
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2012 : 06:18:58
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Originally posted by Wavy Soul
Thanks for these thoughts - happy birthday Madame President Lynnl!
Actually, I think it's Monsieur President according to his bio, but at 68, he's probably used to it by now. Happy birthday Lynn and thanks for the holiday. Doesn't anyone sleep around here? |
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Wodg
Australia
89 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2012 : 06:27:38
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| I though Lynn sounded male! better be male now that I wrote that! |
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Wavy Soul
USA
779 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2012 : 07:48:29
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Well, his name has a lack of androgens! Sorry Lynn!
No, no sleep in Marin tonight.
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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lynnl
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2012 : 08:55:22
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Yep. I'm male. ...at least the last time I checked. 
One of those names that commonly leads to confusion. But the misundertanding is only amusing; not offensive or irritating.
I've often thought it would've been interesting to be married to a women with the same name.
Lynn |
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Stryder
686 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2012 : 15:31:06
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Wavy Soul said: I have had the most INTENSE dry eyes in the last few months
Ask your doc if you can take over-the-counter 1000mg flaxseed oil three times per day. That totals 3000mg per day (yea I know that is more than the label says, so thats why you need to chat with your doc). My endo had me on that for dry eyes and it worked pretty well, along with 1000iu (not mg) vitamin D3 per day. It takes a week or so of this to start to kick in, be patient.
Take care, -Stryder |
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Wavy Soul
USA
779 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2012 : 22:39:43
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thanks - I forgot about taking Omega 3 type oils - I will ask my doc (who is both MD and natch) about flaxseed oil.
Since we're talking physical (although I'm afraid Dave will kick us off!) I had what felt like a root canal on my eyes done yesterday - the opthalmologist (at my request after doing lots of research) probed the blocked eye-grease glands (meibomian glands) with a tiny needle, and also put punctal plugs in (which stop tears from draining so they last longer). I'm feeling a bit better today.
The kind of multi-symptom TMS that I have is really difficult to manage - so many of my things are off the Sarno grid.
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2012 : 09:31:57
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Originally posted by Wavy Soul
Since we're talking physical (although I'm afraid Dave will kick us off!)
Kathryn, quit worrying about Dave kicking you off the board! If that were so I would have been booted out of here long ago. |
Edited by - tennis tom on 02/22/2012 09:37:27 |
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