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Trueq
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 Posted - 01/20/2012 : 05:35:10
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Hi Guys,
Its my first time posting here after reading quite a few stories and the healing back pain book by dr Sarno. If any one can give me any words of wisdom i would be very very grateful.
My story is that i currently have been off work for 4 months with first painful upper back muscles (just below my neck and across back) and also painful hands which have come on since last august.
It all started when i began experiencing achy upper back muscles last June but i put it down to bad posture as mine was terrible. I beared with it and have noticed if i lie on my left side in bed the pain goes completely within 5 mins and my back relaxes. This has subsubsided greatly in the last few months and i am now left with my hand pain which since September have been so painful i have been off work. Oddly the pain would jump from one hand one week to the other and back again, where the left would feel fine then the right one would ache and throb and vise versa. This happened for the first month then led into the top of the hands where they would burn and ache together and not in isolation. Really weird. My hand pain has been gradual and not acute , it has taken about 3 months of steadily growing pain upon pain to get to the level it was at its worst.
As a bit of background I have spent the last 18 years on computers constantly, at work and home for around 15 hours a day. In the time i began to develop the pain i was becoming depressed with the work life and home life but i am not sure if this contributes to the onset of this pain or the huge amount of time i spent at a computer as my hands are so angry at the momment and have been for months. but i worked through the pain.
Whilst i have been off work i have seen a rheumatologist,neurologist,chiropractor & physical therapist. All of which could not find any thing wrong. I do admidt that i have struggled to find anyone that understands rsi so i have bought a legion of rsi books by the top authors and buried my head in those. At the moment my RSI in my hands still persists where they are numbsish in the morning when i wake up & ache, throb & burn intermittently throughout each and every day. I have had Xray & MRI on my neck & upper back which came back negative and also nerve conduction tests which were also fine. So i am still searching for a diagnosis. Since i have been off i have also developed in the top of my right forearm a real tight muscle that aches real bad from the elbow to the middle of the arm, some time this gets better but flares up and is always there. All the books i have read on RSI seem to fit my description of the condition. Which i where i am getting confused.
I was after some advice that if anyone has had similar problems that turned out to be TMS instead of RSI as i am racking my head between all the literature i have read from the RSI books which suggests that RSI is a structural soft tissue condition to tms ?
My personality traits from the book 'healing back pain' are that i do have a 'want to please personality' with the mild depression with occasional OCD, and dont express my emtions at all, and i am definitely not a perfectionsit, i am confused about where my condition lies. Apologies for the ramble but i am really struggling with trying to find the cause. I have ordered Dr sarnos other books and also bought Howard Schubiner 'unlearn your pain' book which hasnt arrived yet to try anything but i think i need to somehow convince myself if i have this.
Any repsonses with advice would be gratfully recevied.
Thankyou :)
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Edited by - Trueq on 01/20/2012 06:10:23 |
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balto
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Posted - 01/20/2012 : 07:02:14
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RSI is tms. Even if you don't believe it is, just try to treat it as if it is. You have no other choice and you've got nothing to loose but pain.
Do a search here at this forum for "rsi" and you will find lots of usefull information and success stories on rsi. Goodluck Trueg. |
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tennis tom
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Posted - 01/20/2012 : 09:29:22
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Originally posted by Trueq
*My story is that i currently have been off work for 4 months...
*... i put it down to bad posture as mine was terrible.
* Oddly the pain would jump from one hand one week to the other and back again, where the left would feel fine then the right one would ache and throb and vise versa.
* i was becoming depressed with the work life and home life but i am not sure if this contributes to the onset of this pain...
*Whilst i have been off work i have seen a rheumatologist,neurologist,chiropractor & physical therapist. All of which could not find any thing wrong.
*I have had Xray & MRI on my neck & upper back which came back negative and also nerve conduction tests which were also fine.
*My personality traits from the book 'healing back pain' are that i do have a 'want to please personality' with the mild depression with occasional OCD, and dont express my emtions at all, and i am definitely not a perfectionsit,
*I have ordered Dr sarnos other books and also bought Howard Schubiner 'unlearn your pain' book which hasnt arrived yet to try anything but i think i need to somehow convince myself if i have this.
Sorry to hear about your travails, only a fool would dx someone over a message board but from what you say it strongly suggests your wrists and back are TMS, primarily because modern medicine is excellent at dx'ing structural conditions and you've had all the tests repeatedly and the white-coats give you a clean physical bill of health--that leaves TMS. If you can see a TMS doctor for an accurate dx that would be a great boost in your belief that it's TMS and not structural. You're in the UK I see, there are TMS practitioners there and an active TMS support group that meets in London.
Once you immerse yourself in the TMS literature you will see the fallacies in your above quotes I hilighted.
If you're getting paid while off work it's called a primary or secondary gain.
Bad posture is b.s., forget about it, the back is strong.
Depression is a TMS affective symptom, your home and work life is definitely a huge source of TMS, not just a contributor, it's the source. TMS is part of the "human condition".
Your wrist pain jumping from one wrist to the other makes no logical sense, in TMS terms it's called "symptom imperative".
Hope that helps some, do a search here under RSI and you'll find lots more relating to your specific symptom to make you feel at home but whatever the location it's all the same TMS gremlin stuff and the same plan of attack.
Take a look in my sig below at the Rahe-Holmes test to confirm your stress creating life situation sources. This will help you confirm where the buried TMS emotions are coming from resulting in your TMS rage reservoir overflowing and creating physical symptoms as a psychological protective device.
It is not your conscious mind that needs the convincing as to the powerful effects of psychosomatic/TMS on your body but instead your unconscious which rules the roost here. It takes many years to develop the unconscious thought patterns and it will take a little time to absorb the TMS "knowledge penicillin" on a cellular level so be patient and sleep on it.
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
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TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/page/Find+a+TMS+Doctor+or+Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
Edited by - tennis tom on 01/20/2012 10:54:03 |
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Bugbear
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/20/2012 : 10:10:57
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| In addition to the information, views, suggestions and success stories on this site check out the wiki page http://www.tmswiki.org/ppd/Repetitive_Strain_Injuries_-_RSI for the sheer volume of contributions. There is even a video you can watch if you scroll down all the way. |
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Trueq
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/21/2012 : 13:25:33
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hey thanks for the links guys,
I will try and dedicate myself to understanding this. I try to continue type but the hands hurt to bad. I will try to journal but my hands wont take it did any one journal with a dictaphone?
thanks craig |
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tmsjptc
USA
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Posted - 01/25/2012 : 16:23:55
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Trueq, I have a co-worker who showed up to work with a wrist brace on. When I asked her about it, she said her doctor thought she needed it because her pain was only when she was at work. I had just read Healing Back Pain because of chronic tension headaches and was already getting a lot of relief (I'm now 100%). I gave her the book, explained my success, and told her I thought it would help. Two weeks later she brought the book back and wasn't wearing the brace anymore.
I agree with Tennis Tom that we can't diagnose someone over a message board. But, there is nothing to lose and everything to gain by treating it as TMS. Hope this helps. |
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Trueq
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/27/2012 : 04:30:20
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Thanks stories like these do really help me in understanding that the hand pain i am expriencing can also be a factor in TNS. I have read the books but constantly there recant back pain over and over but i am beginning to relalise that this can apply to hands too.
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Trueq
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/27/2012 : 04:31:38
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| TMS i mean ooops :) |
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Hand RSI - Help would be really appreciated
