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CaroleRose

USA
2 Posts

Posted - 10/27/2011 :  18:52:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have read and reread Healing Back Pain. I have read Divided Mind. I have kept up with a journal about what is going on for me emotionally. There have been many "ahas" for me about repressed emotion. I have done some counseling and EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique- the tapping therapy) Yet I still want an MD, a chiropractor, a physical therapist, an authority figure in the medical world to say to me... "it's not structural.. your arthritis in your right hip is not causing you pain". There has been some improvement, just not to the degree I want.

wrldtrv

666 Posts

Posted - 10/27/2011 :  19:52:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Personally, I wouldn't consider a chiropractor "an authority figure in the medical world."
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Back2-It

USA
438 Posts

Posted - 10/27/2011 :  20:48:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
CaroleRose,

I can sympathize with wanting an allopathic doctor to give you the up or down on psychogenic, but they generally will not, because for most it is their mission to find a structural problem -- and cure it, or try anyway. I wanted to hear this so badly from an MD that I could imagine it being said. The closest I came was when my new doc, a DO, re-read my MRI, at my insistence, and then considered my symptoms and said that my problem "could" be anxiety.

The thing to do is to consider it TMS and do the work. I will tell you that at a TMS class that I took, one woman had had hip pain for a dozen years. About halfway though the four week class she was in a hurry and stressed and limping along on her hip when she told the pain to "get lost". It worked. I saw this woman with my own eyes. I do believe that she was the type that easily accepted TMS explanation, where some of us have lingering doubts, which continues the pain.

Might as well proceed as if it is TMS.

PS, I agree with wrldtrv about chiropractors. Some mean well, many are authorities on how to adjust only your wallet.



"Bridges Freeze Before Roads"

Edited by - Back2-It on 10/27/2011 20:49:55
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tennis tom

USA
4749 Posts

Posted - 10/28/2011 :  00:14:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi CaroleRose, most doctors are ignorant of Dr. Sarno or think he's a quack. There are very few TMS trained doctors on the planet. I agree that a dx from a TMS doctor would be EXTREMELY important to help you. Are you aware of how to find a TMS doctor? One source is here: http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm

There are several other lists if you can't find one in your area on this list. What state are you in?

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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g

TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale

Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti

"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown

"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
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kesh2

United Kingdom
32 Posts

Posted - 10/28/2011 :  04:32:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
have you asked a doctor whether it could be psychosomatic?

a lot of doctors believe in psychosomatic illness, but don't tell their patients because they are often very hostile to the idea, like they are being told by their doctor that they are mentally ill.

i asked my doctor, and told him i would be very happy to be told it was psychosomatic and he was very surprised i had that attitude and that it was unusual.
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mk6283

USA
272 Posts

Posted - 10/29/2011 :  08:26:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How old are you? What does the x-ray, CT, and/or MRI show? What are the symptoms you are experiencing? Have you ever dealt with any other psychosomatic symptoms and/or disorders? Osteoarthritis is an organic, degenerative process than can cause pain. That is not TMS. Give us some more information and we can take it from there.

Best,
MK
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tennis tom

USA
4749 Posts

Posted - 10/29/2011 :  15:24:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm

Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/page/Find+a+TMS+Doctor+or+Therapist

Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html

Edited by - tennis tom on 10/29/2011 15:40:32
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forestfortrees

393 Posts

Posted - 10/29/2011 :  15:39:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the link, Tom. When we made the list, we made sure that it included all of the practitioners on all of the other lists (including the old Tarpit list), so that people would only need to check one list. We also update it regularly with everyone we come into contact with through our other nonprofit work, so it includes a number of practitioners that aren't listed anywhere else. The fact that there are about 20 people working on it ensures that it will continue to be the most up-to-date list into the future.

I think that finding a practitioner to diagnose you is a great idea. Most TMS doctors agree that it is important to rule out serious conditions such as infections or cancer before assuming something is TMS. Accepting the diagnosis is also a key step, and having a doctor look you in the eye and tell you that it is definitely TMS can be a big help with this.

Forest
My favorite TMS Wiki pages: How do I journal?, Affirmations, Sarno on 20/20, Find a TMS Doc.
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tennis tom

USA
4749 Posts

Posted - 10/29/2011 :  15:45:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Forest, we posted simultaneously, so I have the two other lists including the Wiki's. If they are redundant that's good to know.

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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g

TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale

Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti

"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown

"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst

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TMS PRACTITIONERS:

Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm

Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/page/Find+a+TMS+Doctor+or+Therapist

Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html

Edited by - tennis tom on 10/30/2011 23:03:14
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CaroleRose

USA
2 Posts

Posted - 10/30/2011 :  21:47:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you all for your comments. I live in Colorado and I don't see any TMS folks here from your lists. I am continuing to treat this as if it is TMS and have been walking every day without pain.
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tennis tom

USA
4749 Posts

Posted - 10/30/2011 :  23:09:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Colorado
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Evana Henri, PhD (Therapist)

Dr. Henri has been treating people with TMS for over 9 years, and during that time has treated close to 200 people with TMS symptoms. She is able to draw upon her own experiences with chronic back pain, which she had for about one year, when she is treating her clientele. Henri uses several different therapy techniques to help her clients including EMDR, Solution-Focused Therapy, Mindfulness-Based Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (MBCT), and Brainspotting depending on the situation. Henri uses these multiple techniques to design a unique treatment for her patients. Dr. Henri graduated with a Bachelors in Arts from Stanford University and received her PhD in Clinical/Health psychology from Ohio State University. In addition, Henri completed her internship and Post-doctoral fellowship from UCLA. (Source)

Contact Information:

2101 Ken Pratt Blvd. Suite 200
Longmont, CO 80501
(720) 771-9248

evanahenri@accessyoureverest.com
TMS Wiki Profile / Survey Response / Website
Insurance Accepted: Aetna, United Behavioral Health, Humana, Mental Health Network, Rocky Mountain Health Plans, and Anthem/BCBS

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Mileah L. Koudele, LCSW (Therapist)
2696 S. Colorado Blvd., Suite 200
Denver, CO 80222
(303) 775-3458

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Edited by - tennis tom on 10/30/2011 23:13:31
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forestfortrees

393 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2011 :  16:04:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tennis tom

Hi Forest, we posted simultaneously, so I have the two other lists including the Wiki's. If they are redundant that's good to know.

Yep, we make sure to include all known practitioners in our list. We understand that most people will only check one list, so we make sure that if they check ours, they will find EVERYONE.

We've included all of the practitioners in the other lists, but if anyone finds any other practitioners, please let us know by emailing info (at) tmswiki (dot) org or by posting about it in the wiki's forum.

By the way, if anyone reading this would like to help out, we are always looking for helping hands. There are many ways to help, such as by contacting practitioners to get them to fill out our practitioner survey form or by adding your best TMS treatment ideas in a User Page. Currently, we are having some technical difficulties, but we are moving to a new software platform that will fix them for good. We're even incorporating and seeking official IRS recognition as a 501(c)3 tax exempt charity!

Forest
My favorite TMS Wiki pages: How do I journal?, Affirmations, Sarno on 20/20, Find a TMS Doc.
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golden_girl

United Kingdom
128 Posts

Posted - 11/02/2011 :  17:23:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Having known my GP for over 15 years since my teens, she saw me with my most recent bout of TMS/anxiety (bladder issues and severe anxiety) and did a few routine tests to placate me and then sent me off with a diagnosis of anxiety.

So, the reverse! I say recent, it was 8 years ago. I steer clear of doctors, but then I've just lived with it ever since! Thankfully my anxiety hasn't got to the point where I believe I've been double-bluffed, and the bladder issues which have been diagnosed by an MD as psychosomatic, are ACTUALLY physical - no!

Sometimes, we have to take a leap of faith. You say there has been some improvement? There have been "ahas"? Why would this be the case, if it was physical, structural issues?

"F.E.A.R.
Forgive Everyone And Remember
For Everything A Reason"
Ian Brown
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