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shawnsmith
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 Posted - 10/20/2011 : 18:58:49
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We think of pain as a symptom, but there are cases where the nervous system develops feedback loops and pain becomes a terrifying disease in itself. Starting with the story of a girl whose sprained wrist turned into a nightmare, Elliot Krane talks about the complex mystery of chronic pain, and reviews the facts we're just learning about how it works and how to treat it.
To watch this video, please visit:
http://www.ted.com/talks/elliot_krane_the_mystery_of_chronic_pain.html
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oneorbit
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 13:35:24
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Wow good talk. I just started reading the comments below that video and there's an interesting argument going on there.
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oneorbit
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 13:43:24
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Wow good talk. I just started reading the comments below that video and there's an interesting argument going on there.
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jegol71
USA
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Posted - 10/22/2011 : 10:16:27
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Outside of the folks seeking Dr. Krane's assistance, the comments (especially at the beginning) all have the philosophical charge of "Is it or isn't it?" regarding the mind-body continuum. Whether it is or isn't these days seems less interesting than the passion or experience that drives it.
One person broached that pain has domain in the physical, psychological but as well as the sociopolitical. She was hung out to dry, and Dr. Krane insinuated that because of her views she must have never experienced chronic pain. I beg to differ.
I would like to see Dr. Krane compare notes with Dr. Schubiner, and see what consensus can be made. They both draw conclusions stemming from neuroplasticity, but one calls it a disease, the other chooses Mind Body Syndrome.
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Back2-It
USA
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Posted - 10/23/2011 : 08:40:14
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Is chronic pain a "disease"? I think it's more of a syndrome. It happens but the reasons remain unclear.
However, the treatment for most chronic pain sufferers remains in reducing stress and anxiety in life and perhaps addressing emotional issues. That is what I believe based on the many stories in this forum and thinking back on my own experiences with other chronic pain issues.
When I was really suffering from a burning and aching and allodynia on my side, and searching for a structural cause, a suture pinching a nerve or some type of abdominal nerve entrapment, I was advised by Dr. Stracks and Dr. Schubiner to stop thinking of the pain as a disease and to think of it as TMS, or psychologically.
I couldn't do this finally and fully until I went to a neurologist to have it checked out, and the neurologist could draw no definite conclusions. With that, I knew I knew the cause: me. My brain.
After my trip there, the worst of the symptoms ceased. I have made great improvements by finally emotionally accepting the cause and by facing my fears about the pain.
Whether that is helping to rewire learned pain, I don't know. Krane's talk was interesting.
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Wavy Soul
USA
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Posted - 10/23/2011 : 08:51:56
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Interesting talk, and interesting argument about social-political causes below it.
When I had surgery earlier this year, it was SO painful afterwards that I do believe my other aches and pains disappeared - or I didn't notice them. Then the pain around the surgery location became temporarily chronic (I know that is a bit of any oxy!) and I had to take... oxy! (A very popular drug on the streets).
At some point I realized that my post-surgical pain was TMS. As I weaned myself off what could easily have become an addiction, I began again in the usual round of pains in other parts of my body.
As for the sociopolitical angle -- well, I think perhaps the point being made there is that life is unfair and stressful for most people, and we compensate with symptoms. I remember when I was at university how popular it was to blame everything on politics. However, I do think that the breakdown of the family is unhealthy. When I lived in South America I saw much happier people, and they didn't seem to have the stress illnesses, although they had others, from poverty, etc.
I'm looking forward to Dr. Krane's new drug that will simply kill the glial cells so they can't do their neurotic neuroplasticity thang we call TMS.
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Effie
USA
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Posted - 10/23/2011 : 12:18:02
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| Wow -- it's great to see the medical profession beginning to acknowledge this. It reminded me a lot of Dr. Schubiner's video on how the brain exacerbates pain. Not so sure I agree with the physical therapy part, but maybe having counseling along with the therapy would make a difference. |
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Elliot Krane: The mystery of chronic pain 
