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Branka
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 Posted - 05/30/2011 : 13:57:34
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Hi,
I have a question regarding hay fever. I heard that dr. Sarno considers hay fever to be a TMS like disorder.
I have a friend who has had hay fever since he could walk. It got very bad when he was 13 to the point where stopped going to school and spent most of his time in bed. Now he is 20. For a year or two he has had a better medication, so now he can move around a bit. Still, he is constantly in pain and has to spend most of his time indoors. Also, his brother is suffering from hay fever as well, but in lesser degree.
Has anybody had a similar medical history to then cure it with the Sarno approach? Or are there hay fever cases that are not psychosomatic same way there are herniated discs that really press nerves and cause a lot of pain?
I would appreciate very much any input you can give me, since I would really like to see my friend without so much pain. I personally am a great believer in the TMS theory since it helped me get rid off my RSI extremely quickly. However, in his case it is hard for me to say, oh this is psychosomatic, since he has been suffering massively since his teens.
Thanks in advance,
Branka. |
Edited by - Branka on 05/30/2011 15:59:49 |
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Javizy
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/31/2011 : 08:12:49
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Problems with your autonomic nervous system (ANS) can cause allergies. Stress and anxiety can wreak havoc on it. Does he seem like the nervy, introverted type? He could've had a tough childhood socially, and gradually sensitised his ANS until it began to malfunction in his teens. If his posture is bad, that would be another give-away.
Btw, what was your approach to solving your RSI problem? I'm a work in progress myself, and I always like to hear about tried and tested methods. |
Edited by - Javizy on 05/31/2011 08:24:52 |
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Branka
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Posted - 06/01/2011 : 05:24:45
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Hi,
isn't it immune system and not the autonomic nervous system that causes allergies?
I improved a lot as soon as I discovered the concept because I felt it fit me so well and I found it very sound. I had pain in my back, arms and hands. After the initial improvement I had still some little pain left, but not enough to impede me in doing things, so I did them and whenever I had pain I did them even more (like compulsively clicking on the key buttons) and I would intentionally think of thinks that bother me, but are not always in my thoughts and that would help too.
I wrote diary/lists of things that bother me, from every day life but also things I knew left a big impact on my life and are still there somewhere in my head. For a while I did that regularly, every day 20 minutes of writing and/or reading through these things. I would also talk to my friends. That I found very helpful as well. If you have someone you can trust, it is a very good feeling to talk to someone and formulate these things out loud, it makes you feel free. Also, I had almost immediately discontinued all other forms of therapy.
I think that is about it. Now I do not have practically any pain, I feel a tiny pang of pain once every few months when I am under stress, but it goes away immediately.
Also, meditation is cool because I noticed by accident that if you meditate and pain comes up and you focus on it it goes away immediately. Do not know why, but that is how it worked for me.
I hope I get some more hay fever answers too:). Thanks for answering! Can you maybe recommend a good phone consultation TMS doctor? I do not think I can find any in Netherlands. They may know more about hay fever
Good luck,
Branka |
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2011 : 09:53:05
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I had significant hayfever every year in September due to ragweed.
After treating my TMS back pain I realized I no longer get those hayfever attacks.
I did not do anything special to treat the hayfever as TMS but find it interesting that I no longer suffer from it. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2011 : 11:45:15
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Ok, hayfever...did a quick look in Divided Mind and the Good Doctor cites it several times but nothing really much to say about it except that it's a run of the mill TMS symptom. I wouldn't get too hung-up on delving into the "hay fever" aspect of it because that just plays into the hands of the TMS distraction gremlin.
Coincidentally, I was just diagnosed with hay fever by my doc's physician assistant nurse, through a "differnetial" dx. I was quite pleased to hear it after several months of putting off going to the docs with a chronic throat irritation. The PA gave me an RX for Fluticasone Propionate nasal spray, which I think is also known as Flonase, and also she recommended Claritin. True to TMS form I'm getting symptoms more consistent with hay fever like congestion and general malaise.
I say I'm pleased with the hay fever DX because I feared the chronic throat irritation was due to complications from an emergency midnight surgery for Ludwig's Angina, which can be fatal. I feared the Ludwig's Angina may have been a complication of some lengthly periodontal dental work I had for a crown.
So, I'm pleased to be told by a white-coat, that I only have hay fever versus all that other more fatal infectious type stuff. And, it makes common sense to me, because this is the hay fever season and many acquaintances are complaining of it.
So there's my hay fever story for you. I'm much happier to deal with that, versus my left shoulder, that is slowly freezing up and hampering the ball toss on my serve and my arthritic right hip that's been around for going on a couple of decades, that not a day goes by that someone doesn't pester me to get a hip replacement for. Hay fever--bring it on!.
DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
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golden_girl
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/01/2011 : 20:51:46
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Every day, from about April to August, when I walked down the road to the local pub at the bottom of my road, I would get streaming eyes and sneezes every time I walked past the same bush. So when I walked into the pub, people would think I was upset and crying about something (MAYBE I WAS!!!).
This year, no streaming eyes, but I get my main form of TMS at the same point in the road!
I know this isn't classic "hay fever" per se, but it almost seems like an allergic reaction to something - to my thoughts about my destination. There are some reasons why my body might not want to be at that pub, and a lot of reasons why my subconscious mind might have issues about it. This has been enlightening for me!
When you say you friend spent most of his teenage years in bed - is this due to the hay fever (ie his "physical illness")? Or because of his depression surrounding it? I'm lucky, in a way, that my formative years, my 'most important' teenage years were relatively free from TMS, so I lived a vaguely normal life, compared to my 20s. But, you can DEFINITELY suffer from TMS symptoms in your teens, and even in childhood. I did! (IBS, hypochondria, headaches, anxiety etc etc - from 9-18.)
I really hope your friend can get to grips with what is happening to him - you haven't mentioned any emotional issues he might (and therefore his brother might) have that might contribute to his hay fever? It would be a shame for him to miss out on his 20s, when it sounds like he's missed out on his teens - best of luck to them 
"F.E.A.R.
Forgive Everyone And Remember
For Everything A Reason"
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 06/02/2011 : 06:44:51
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Hi Tom,
My left shoulder has recently "frozen up" also. Ouch. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 06/02/2011 : 14:04:25
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Sorry about your frozen shoulder. I had it happen to my other shoulder about 20 years ago. It was pre-Sarno, so I went to my caring doc and he sent me across the street to a neurologist. He dx'ed it as pinched nerve at c6/c7. Prescribed me a traction bag contraption, and told me to quit playing tennis for a month or I'd be seeing him for surgery.
So, bored to death, sitting in the corner with this stupid bag hanging from my chin, I read a good book by Dan Millman and practiced learning to write left handed.
After a month of this, my shoulder was "healed", and I was greatly inspired by the writings of Dan Millman. Traction is now pretty much out of favor and if I'd gone to an ortho-doc he would have probably dx'ed rotator cuff, and rx'ed cortisone or PT.
So, I'm just waiting this one out, it's been a couple of months, not too worried, good luck with yours.
DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
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wrldtrv
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Posted - 06/02/2011 : 20:13:59
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Hay fever is a puzzling one. I've had it since childhood, though not as bad in recent years. This year, I thought I was going to get lucky, but it popped up out of the blue yesterday. I don't usually take anything, but I popped a Zertec and feel better. That's the stuctural part. As for TMS, well, it would certainly serve as well as back pain, right? And I think one's immune system could become sensitized for some reason. It's a magical balance the body must manage.
Don't quote me on this, but I seem to remember something I read in the past about shy people being more prone to hay fever, which would certainly indicate more than simply one's biology. |
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Branka
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Posted - 06/03/2011 : 05:58:41
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Thanks everyone for answering!
Golden_girl, according to him, it was really the physical manifestation of hay fever. He has a really bad case of it. Like, a loooot of pain in his eyes, he compares it to having his eyes ground with sand, and they look watery and bloodshot. Also, he coughs a lot. Now he has a better medication so he can move around more, at the time he just went to school to pass tests and things like that and did not go to classes. Now he is studying, but really dislikes going to his university because it is full of trees which is funny and sad at the same time.
Yeah, there could have been emotional issues behind it, but I do not know many details about it.
He is really not shy, though.
I think it could be TMS (what with finding out here on the forum it could start in the childhood and also some cases that got spontaneously cured while applying Sarno approach for back pain or other TMS manifestations) and I got him to read The Mindbody Prescription. However, there is no 100% guarantee it is a TMS like disorder and I find it difficult to insist since I do not want to give false hope to someone with so much pain.
Thanks once more for your answers,
Branka |
Edited by - Branka on 06/03/2011 06:03:43 |
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Branka
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Posted - 06/03/2011 : 06:05:34
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Originally posted by Dave
I had significant hayfever every year in September due to ragweed.
After treating my TMS back pain I realized I no longer get those hayfever attacks.
I did not do anything special to treat the hayfever as TMS but find it interesting that I no longer suffer from it.
This sounds really good. |
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Branka
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Posted - 06/03/2011 : 06:09:51
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quote:
Originally posted by wrldtrv
Hay fever is a puzzling one. I've had it since childhood, though not as bad in recent years. This year, I thought I was going to get lucky, but it popped up out of the blue yesterday. I don't usually take anything, but I popped a Zertec and feel better. That's the stuctural part. As for TMS, well, it would certainly serve as well as back pain, right? And I think one's immune system could become sensitized for some reason. It's a magical balance the body must manage.
Don't quote me on this, but I seem to remember something I read in the past about shy people being more prone to hay fever, which would certainly indicate more than simply one's biology.
I read something like that too, but then they said it might be the other way around, that because you are constantly in pain and with a problem that you become shy.
A friend of a friend developed hay fever at the age of 30. I suspect it to be TMS, actually. I noticed also that I get headaches when I am supposed to decide or do something I am putting off. Before I used to put them down to dehydration or fatigue. You think your hay fever may be working as my headaches? Or not at all |
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