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healingback

United Kingdom
134 Posts

Posted - 05/11/2011 :  04:23:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The past few days ive really been struggling with believing that my pain is tms, every time i hear a crack in my back, or ir hurts when i walk im back to thinking physical. Im now at the point where im consdering trying more prolotherapy, i know what your going to say that its concentrating on the physical, but im tired of waiting for change, i feel like im not doing anything to help myself other than not concentrate on the pain, im fed up of faking that i dont feel pain- as not to buy into it.... because i do feel it!!!

What Dr Sarno has helped me with is the fear of activity, going back to the gym and doing things like getting out the car normally, incase i hurt my back... i dont think about that so much anymore, and i am able to do more things and i realise it was just the fear more than anything that was stopping me, but despite me getting a handle on my fear and somewhat on the conditioning as well... the pain is not budging...

i feel like the prolotherapy did help (and i know im not ment to mention physical treatments) and while ive still got this thing in my head that if i try a few more prolotherapy sessions i dont feel like i can completely focus on the tms approach. I think i have to get to the point where ive tried everything, and while im still thinking about prolotherapy im not sure im there yet.

Im a cross roads, i believe heavily in tms, i believe that probably most of my pain is tms, but for some reason i feel like i cant rest intill ive had one more "physical" treatment... i know your probably all shaking your heads at me, and thinking why doesnt she get it?! - i do get it, i think, but for the last few days my brain is alot smarter than me.

If i could have some sort of breaththrough, where i was painfree for a coupls of months and it came back then i feel i could dive in and go full hog with the tms principle, but i havent had that, the pain has reduced at certain times but as ive read si joint dysfunction pain can be intermittent.

i do believe that fear has increased my pain, but im not sure its the cause of it. Im still in mixed view at the moment, one minute im jumping into the tms thing the next im jumping out again... but i know i either have to it completely or not at all, so a choice has to be made. maybe i need to get the physical treatments out the way and come back when im really desperate and tms is my only choice.

hb

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Darko

Australia
387 Posts

Posted - 05/11/2011 :  05:06:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Actually good on you for making a decision!!! Yes you need to explore the physical until you see there is no other cause for your pain except emotional. Most of us here tried everything and got no results so TMS was easy to accept......

Everyones journey is different HB......Good luck with it.

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art

1903 Posts

Posted - 05/11/2011 :  07:35:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"maybe i need to get the physical treatments out the way and come back when im really desperate and tms is my only choice."

Maybe you do.
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tennis tom

USA
4749 Posts

Posted - 05/11/2011 :  08:54:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In his latest book, "THE DIVIDED MIND", Dr. Sarno says that TMS is a defense mechanism, a PROTECTOR. TMS is doing its job for you. You may want to ask yourself what is it protecting you from dealing with emotionaly? For suggestions take a look at the Rahe-Holmes list in my signature.

Good Luck

DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g

TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale

Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605

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art

1903 Posts

Posted - 05/11/2011 :  09:05:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've long had the sense that many TMS'ers are afraid to give up their fear, as if their fear is somehow protecting them, and that without it they'll be defenseless.

This aspect of the illness seems to me to have a strong OCD component, as if fear itself is just one more compulsion, the denial of which causes intense anxiety.

Edited by - art on 05/11/2011 09:06:08
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Sara

66 Posts

Posted - 05/11/2011 :  18:44:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HB,

Maybe you need to explore the physical treatments. If they work great, if not then you will know you need to commit yourself fully to TMS. I know it is a hard, hard journey. I am living it myself as the others on this board.

If there is any way I can help, I am happy to try. It seems that you need to explore other possibilities and I get that. I think many of us have been there. However, the nocebo is incredibly powerful. For me, with my foot, I wish I had never gone to a podiatrist. I am still fighting his words and I am angry about that. In that regard I have learned a powerful lesson. But, in some ways I do understand where you are coming from. I did the same with my back and pelvis. I wish you the very best HB. I am sorry you are having such a difficult time.


Sara
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susan828

USA
291 Posts

Posted - 05/11/2011 :  21:57:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sara, I am wondering what the podiatrist said or did that was upsetting.
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healingback

United Kingdom
134 Posts

Posted - 05/12/2011 :  06:38:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi sara, im still at the crossroads, but i do think for myself im only going to be committing to the tms approach at 60% intill i rule out if prolotherapy can help me any further.

Your story and your past experince with si joint dysfunction is what had kept me going on the tms route so long, i wish i was as strong as you, and i could get to where you have got with it.
I know what you mean by the power of nocebo, i was told that with my si joint being loose i wouldnt be able to support my own body and therefore i should be in a wheelchair... you bet this still plays on my mind.

you said if there was anyway you could help, if possible would you mind sending me your email address, maybe we could chat on skype sometime ?.. i feel your previous experience with tms is few and far between and i would like to keep in contact with you.

can i ask you when you had you confirmation for you, that it was tms ? what were the things that made you carry with the tms approach other than desperation.

really apprieciate your time.

hb

This to shall pass....
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Gibbon

United Kingdom
138 Posts

Posted - 05/12/2011 :  07:35:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I think sometimes it is best to have actually exhausted all physical routes - because then you can really throw yourself into TMS. You might need to be able to tell yourself "I've tried all these physical therapies and they've not worked", because then you can ask yourself why not.


Check out the TMS website: www.rsi-backpain.co.uk
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JulesJ

9 Posts

Posted - 05/12/2011 :  14:50:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Art,

"I've long had the sense that many TMS'ers are afraid to give up their fear, as if their fear is somehow protecting them, and that without it they'll be defenseless."

I think this is very true.
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