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jaya
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 Posted - 09/14/2010 : 05:15:01
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the last 3 days ive had dry eyes, tingles throught the body, warm sensations, slight ibs, eye flashers-are these yet more tms manifestations?? theses seemed to be triggered by a large fight with my wife, is there a fine line between tms and anxiety? has anyone else had this?? i have noticed when im distracted from tms(working on rc cars) the symptoms seem to improve or resolve temporarily, also ive had a lot of muscle twitches, very weird, any advice would be greatly appreciated-im pretty down in the dumps about this....
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Hillbilly
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Posted - 09/14/2010 : 10:23:34
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Jaya,
Rather than resurrect long-fought discussions I have had here on this board, I would just like to say that in my opinion there is no line between what you and others here call TMS and what others refer to as anxiety. They are synonyms, like 12 and a dozen. The real debate, I suppose, is about the psychophysiology of how the symptoms appear and why, but they aren't relevant to your questions. I have had no symptoms like the ones you describe for four years, but I had anxiety brewing just beneath the surface for decades before it exploded on me in my late 30's, wrecking my health and functionality for nearly a full year.
Back, neck and shoulder pain were by far the worst part of what I went through, although I had bouts of months of diarrhea, fatigue that cannot be described, strong emotional reactions to things that were mundane, electric jolts that jostled me awake, on guard, watching for symptoms to worsen, headaches, trouble walking, dizziness or a feeling like walking on a ship, strange eye tricks, muscle twitches all over, loss of appetite, bizarre thoughts that I would hurt someone badly, and the worst thought of all.....there was no way out of my symptoms or problems.
I wonder how strong your belief is in the explanation you have been given for your symptoms. If you believe TMS or anxiety is responsible, you cannot possibly take your nervous reactions seriously, even though they are awful and distressing, they are in no way dangerous or indicative of an illness. They are just unhappy nerves blowing off some steam. Forget about them and they will fade into the sunset. Try to resolve the conflict with your wife as best you can and take heart in the knowledge that you are healthy.
In case you need reinforcement that anxiety states can and do cause bizarre and awful symptoms that can last a long time, visit Jim Folk's website: anxietycentre dot com and check the list of symptoms he has compiled that either he or someone with whom he has worked has suffered from in their emotional distress. You'll feel better and take them less seriously.
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jaya
USA
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Posted - 09/14/2010 : 10:41:59
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i guess its hard to come to the grips of reality that emotions can cause physical symptoms-that are as life ruing as mine and everyone elses, how do you convince yourself?? 3 counselors and they cant seem to convince me..let alone themselves obcessive compulsive disorder doesnt help either
jayaquote:
Originally posted by jaya
the last 3 days ive had dry eyes, tingles throught the body, warm sensations, slight ibs, eye flashers-are these yet more tms manifestations?? theses seemed to be triggered by a large fight with my wife, is there a fine line between tms and anxiety? has anyone else had this?? i have noticed when im distracted from tms(working on rc cars) the symptoms seem to improve or resolve temporarily, also ive had a lot of muscle twitches, very weird, any advice would be greatly appreciated-im pretty down in the dumps about this....
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Hillbilly
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Posted - 09/14/2010 : 11:11:26
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Jaya,
Have you ever been in a near-miss car accident? Did your heart beat faster, sweat pour out, muscles tighten, eyes dilate? Have you ever played sports and just before a game thrown up or had to urinate 30 times and barely go squirt? Stood up to give a speech and had trouble walking or speaking? These common examples of mind-body connection are simply not possible to control on your own, and you can't make them go away. You also don't think you are dying when you get them if you are in the situations mentioned. But if you get them outside these situations, it is because your mind is still in distress, and most likely you are distressed 100% of the time about how you feel. In all these examples, however, the physical reaction goes away once our attention is diverted and we feel we are no longer in danger.
The fight with your wife or the stress at work or somewhere in your personal life is staying fixated in your mind, or your thoughts about your condition are staying fixated in your mind or both. This is keeping your body in a state of high alert when it doesn't need to be, which makes you notice your distress symptoms when you should or want to be relaxing. You are tense all the time, which is the T in TMS.
Dr. Abraham Low and Claire Weekes have written great books about how patients fool themselves into thinking they are ill when in fact, the only thing that keeps them ill is the thought that they are. One last question: If thoughts can't cause physical reactions, how do people have sex?
I hate quotations. Tell me what you know.
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jaya
USA
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Posted - 09/14/2010 : 12:34:05
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what i know unfortunately is, anxiety has been my beast of burden since my overcontrolling mother passed away 5 years ago to lupus.
i loved her but she controlled every aspect of my life, im an only child surprise! part of me is relieved that she is gone--i unfortunately was the one on the proxy to decide whether or not to pull the plug--sorry so blunt, but thats how it went down- my life has been upside down ever since-- i had many symptoms in child hood though.. very strange stuff
jayaquote:
Originally posted by Hillbilly
Jaya,
Have you ever been in a near-miss car accident? Did your heart beat faster, sweat pour out, muscles tighten, eyes dilate? Have you ever played sports and just before a game thrown up or had to urinate 30 times and barely go squirt? Stood up to give a speech and had trouble walking or speaking? These common examples of mind-body connection are simply not possible to control on your own, and you can't make them go away. You also don't think you are dying when you get them if you are in the situations mentioned. But if you get them outside these situations, it is because your mind is still in distress, and most likely you are distressed 100% of the time about how you feel. In all these examples, however, the physical reaction goes away once our attention is diverted and we feel we are no longer in danger.
The fight with your wife or the stress at work or somewhere in your personal life is staying fixated in your mind, or your thoughts about your condition are staying fixated in your mind or both. This is keeping your body in a state of high alert when it doesn't need to be, which makes you notice your distress symptoms when you should or want to be relaxing. You are tense all the time, which is the T in TMS.
Dr. Abraham Low and Claire Weekes have written great books about how patients fool themselves into thinking they are ill when in fact, the only thing that keeps them ill is the thought that they are. One last question: If thoughts can't cause physical reactions, how do people have sex?
I hate quotations. Tell me what you know.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 09/14/2010 : 14:57:22
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Originally posted by jaya
what i know unfortunately is, anxiety has been my beast of burden since my overcontrolling mother passed away 5 years ago to lupus.
i loved her but she controlled every aspect of my life, im an only child surprise! part of me is relieved that she is gone--i unfortunately was the one on the proxy to decide whether or not to pull the plug--sorry so blunt, but thats how it went down- my life has been upside down ever since-- i had many symptoms in child hood though.. very strange stuff
jaya
Jaya, Hillbilly gave you some very good examples of mindbody interactions. To me the mindbody are inseparable and the Good Doctor so reflects in the title of his book. Some body parts that are clinically observable would be the entire nervous system, polyneuropeptides that create electro-neuro communications between the brain and the outlying territories, propreoceptors that are like relays in the joints, being just a few.
I don't need anymore proof of TMS or psychosomatic stuff, whatever one wants to call it. If others do, then maybe they need to get their "imagination" systems checked out. On Dr. Sarno's Audiobook, I recently recommended in a thread here, he states that the brain is so complex that we may never discover the intracasies of it's operation and that answer is fine for me.
I think you need to deal with your mother's death issue professionaly or talk it over with an understanding friend. I also was in that position with my mother but our circumstances were probably very different. She had been in ICU for over six months after unforseen (aren't they always), complications for kidney cancer surgery. Her body had been ravaged by then, being kept alive by the best that technical medicine had to offer.
After being apprised of what "heroic" resucitation procedures would amount to, there wasn't much thinking involved to spare her any final indignities. I have no problem with having had to make the last call and better me than anyone else.
So try to find a TMS savy therapist and get some sessions, you can do it by phone if there's not one near you. It usually doesn't take a lot of sessions to fix TMS stuff--grasping the concept is the hump.
Minimally, buy Dr. Sarno's Audiobook and listen to it as often as you can until it sinks into the recesses of you mindbody.
Good luck
DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6415
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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miche
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Posted - 09/14/2010 : 15:33:36
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Jaya ,
I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia shortly after my mom passed away 15 years ago , she was very controlling also and I felt guilty that I had decided to somewhat distance and assert myself some six or so months before she died , her death came as a complete surprise and had I known this was going to happen I would have been stayed the ever patient and available daughter that she always relied on , I went through a divorce and a house fire that year so there were other factors involved , but anxiety and guilt go hand in hand , the anxiety brought on panic attacks and a host of other symptoms I had no names for , I thought I was dying ,the muscle tension was so great I felt like I was incased in cement , now I look at it as some form of protective armor , it held the tension in and it protected me from emotions I had no cure or solutions for , your symptoms are typical , please remember that having felt relief when your mom passed away was a human reaction that you had no control over , if you believe in an afterlife then you must believe that she knows that you loved her and that she now realises that she was draining you with her personnality .
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Hillbilly
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Posted - 09/14/2010 : 17:23:16
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Jaya,
I am more convinced now than ever before that people are born with a predisposition to nervous conditions of all sorts. There's a nature/nurture debate to be had here for sure, but almost everyone with whom I have spoken that has had a "nervous breakdown," protracted stress illness, TMS, whatever, had difficulties with stress from very early on in their life. So don't beat yourself up for being sensitive. You can't really help how your body reacts to stress.
But you can control what you do and how you think about your symptoms. If you choose to allow them to convince you that you are dying or have some yet unnamed illness, you will continue to suffer. If you accept them for what they are, normal under the circumstances, and common among anxiety-prone people, you are on the road to recovery.
Here's to feeling better!
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