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pericakralj
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 Posted - 03/16/2010 : 10:45:46
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Hello everybody,
as ussual i need some of your toughts since i cant do it alone.
Last year this time i was fighting big battle with anxiety and stomach pains.In the end it was all TMS and i manage to solve it,in about 3 moths.I was ok till New year and then some minor low back pain started.First it was on and off,but last 2 months it became constant.I KNEW IT WAS TMS AGAIN.Since it operated it very strange ways.I could ride snowboard and fall my ass off,turning twiching,etc,but when i sit in my car more then half an hour i get very bad pain.
BUT WHEN I SIT ANYWHERE ELSE I DONT GET PAIN, JUST IN MY CAR.
Also i had pain when i bend over.I worked with my theraphist again and lost fear of it since he told me its 100% somatization again.BUT,the day i lost fear of i was on amazon reading reviews of ppl who read sarnos books to reinforce my belif in tms and that backpain was just tms,altough i had more then enough evidence that it was.
MISATKE,since i always made symptoms i read online.In the last post i was reading one man sad that he had back pain and aslo sad among other of his text sentence that i think brought me my latest symptom.
HE SAD,,AND THEN TINGLING AND NUMBNES CAME''
When i finished reading all that i was pleased and very confidant that my pain was only tms and it was just matter of time before it will go away.But i wasnt aware of that last sentece i red.I think it made no value for me.
BUT,half hour later i developed tingling in my feet.I was scared to death.What is this,oh no,there must be something wrong with me since i have this now.That was my first thoughts.But then i realised that i just red it and i tought its a bit suspicious.I went for a walk and it was gone.But when i came home and tought about it again ofcourse it was with me again.
Next couple of days i was panicking and did same old mistake.ONLINE RESEARCH OF SYMPTOMS.AND I FOUND THAT TINGING IN BOTH FEET IS SIGN OF MS.I WAS AGAIN very SCARED.
What i didnt realised for a couple of days that my back didnt hurt me anymore.It was only thing i needed to close the story about my back.Since then i can sit in my car for as long as i want and bend over again with 0 pain.I KNOW that that is 100% but now i am scared of tingling in my feet.
IS it common that tms cause tingling sensations in both feet?
IS this TMS AGAIN playing me because i stoped fearing my for back?
DO i have MS?
Tingling also comes and goes.When i do something interesting,or walking,or when i wake up i dont have it.But when i sit and i am alone with my self i do have it.
Needless to say that i am going thru some MAJOR,i must repeat,MAJR chages in my life.I moved from my city to take a job.I now live with my girlfriend i rented appartment.I still dont know whill i be paid for the work that i am doing,maybe they wont need me because they have enough ppl.I didnt sign contract yet.My financial situation is very bad.My girl has great paychek but i dont want her to support me.etc,etc,etc.
ANY TOUGHTS?
sry about my english. |
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Dave
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Posted - 03/16/2010 : 11:26:40
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It seems you have still not been able to commit 100% to the TMS diagnosis, since you are still researching alternative explanations for your symptoms.
You must realize that TMS is a clever process, and if you give it an opportunity to make you believe that your symptoms are not psychosomatic, it will take it. TMS will give you exactly those symptoms that have the best chance of convincing you they are "real." Not surprisingly, when you research symptoms on the Internet, TMS will capitalize on your weakness and attack.
Another critical point to understand about TMS is that it relies on conditioning. You have been conditioned to feel certain symptoms at certain times, such as getting back pain while sitting in your car. This is nothing more than a habit you need to break.
Assuming you have seen a medical doctor and ruled out serious disease or structural issues, then you need to commit 100% to TMS treatment if you are to succeed. Step #1 is to repudiate the structural diagnosis. You clearly have not done this yet, since you are looking for other explanations of the symptoms.
Unless you commit, you cannot expect to get relief. Even if you can't get yourself to believe 100%, you need to commit 100%. In other words, act as if you believe 100% that the symptoms are psychosomatic, and do the work required for recovery. |
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pericakralj
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Posted - 03/16/2010 : 11:37:59
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Dave i am grateful for your response.
I know that all my previous pains inculding latest back pain is 100% tms.I dont try to find any other explanation.
I just have fear about my latest symptom that is tingling in both feet.I just dont know is this other manifestation of TMS or something else.My theraphist says its 100% TMS AGAIN.He says that illness dosent operate on principle you read it and it comes after half an hour. |
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Dave
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Posted - 03/16/2010 : 21:21:16
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TMS symptoms are highly variable. The symptoms you are most likely to get are the ones you fear the most, and the ones that are convincing enough to shake your belief that they are psychosomatic.
Nevertheless, any symptoms should be checked out by a medical doctor to rule out serious disease or illness. If you have done this, then it is not unreasonable to believe that numbness or tingling is a TMS symptom. Muscles and nerves are a common target of TMS.
You need to recondition your reaction to the symptoms, such that you refocus your thoughts on difficult emotional issues. |
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Hillbilly
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2010 : 07:58:44
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pericakraljl,
My baby sister has MS, and she has had it for nearly 13 years. She has the type that relapses and remits. She also has had her thyroid ablated by swallowing a radioactive pill, her appendix burst two years ago and nearly killed her, and she has had a horrific case of optic neuritis (a fun sidelight to having MS). I remember when she was diagnosed. My mother called me sobbing. I sobbed too. We were both envisioning a future of wheelchairs, repeated hospitalizations, and no one to care for her because she wasn't married at the time. She grew up in the same household as me, and she is a classic overachiever/perfectionist/summa cum laude/attorney/etc./etc.
Today, she leads a completely normal life outside taking her Synthroid and giving herself a shot every day. How did she achieve all this? By not worrying. She never worries about anything. She was given a good tongue-lashing by her neurologist upon diagnosis that she would need to cut the stress down in her life. At the time, she was in third year of law school, on law review, and clerking for a judge. She was on a career path that had superstar legal eagle written all over it. She is now a happy homemaker who works part-time doing contract work for a Savings & Loan. She wasn't meant to be a superstar legalist, just herself. That's the bottom line with life. All you are meant to be is who you already are. All the initials after your name might impress others, but it doesn't impress you if you aren't being true to yourself.
Whatever calamity you envision when you feel your pain is an illusion of your mind. There is a neuro who visits here from time to time that could fill the Library of Congress with case studies of folks who have anxiety who are convinced in their heads that they have a brain tumor, MS, ALS, or some other horrible thing because they don't "feel right." Their tests always come back normal or with normal abnormalities, and they continue to search endlessly for the cause of their ills and do not accept the fact that stress piled upon stress is the one and only cause.
Phase I of recovery from this problem is to gather information that convinces you that your problems are not organic. This phase can be endless. It can carry on for decades and decades because you erroneously look elsewhere. Clear and rational thought is an absolute necessity. Listen to the docs when they tell you nothing's wrong.
Phase II is acceptance, and it often throws you back into Phase I, as you get some strange symptom you haven't had before and start to ruminate, work up a calamity, search the Merck Manual or webMD for diseases that match this new and uninvited guest. If you step out of Phase II into Phase I, you have to come back to a place of acceptance in order to get to Phase III. Your initial post is a classic example of this. Yes, nerve problems can cause lots and lots of tingling, numbness, and oddities that are wholly benign. I had that and lots of others. I played ping pong and whack-a-mole with symptom obsessions for a number of months. Mostly this occurred when I was by myself, a fact I used to fill the column labeled "Evidence I have Nerve Problems and Nothing More" during Phase I.
Phase III is returning to all normal activities: going to parties, standing in bank or grocery lines, writing checks, typing on computers, bending, stretching whatever you used to do without a thought. If you are scared, tell yourself to "feel the fear and do it anyway." If you have accepted the definition of benign, harmless, unimportant, laughable, for your symptoms, you have only to keep at Phase III for a short time (a few months perhaps), but with a steely mindset that no matter what noise your body makes today, you will accept and carry on. That's it. Accept and carry on. Accept and carry on, day after day for the rest of your life.
Phase IV is expanding your boundaries and living more fully. Look for attitudes that hold you back and activities that make you tense just thinking about them and then just go do them. My big one was public speaking. I still battle the mind demon, but I can conquer. Once I get going, I'm fine.
I hate quotations. Tell me what you know.
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Edited by - Hillbilly on 03/17/2010 12:51:12 |
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pericakralj
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Posted - 03/17/2010 : 08:52:50
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Hillbilly, thx for replay.
Mine theraphist and my neuro both sad that there is no need for any tests,becuse they are both assured that this is just another anxiety symptom as they call it.they both know my history very well,and they know that i am prone to somatizations very much.
About evidence i think i have more then enough,and thats one of the reasons they dont want me to do any tests.
1.mine tingling began half an hour after i was reading about it.the same day i comleatly lost fear of my back pain that is all gone now.
2.when i walk or run i dont get any kind of tinglig.
3.when i do something that occupies my mind or having fun with my friends i dont have tingling.
4.when i woke up in morning i dont have it until i start thinking about it.
5.when i dont have it during day,and start think of it ,it comes right away and as long i think of it it only gets stonger.
6.when i red that ms produce tingles in other parts of the body,not just feet,i developed some minor tingling in my lips,hands and my head,next morning.but they are gone now since i know that it is rediculus for any illness to act that way.
You are right when you say i have hard time accept it because i never felt nerve symptoms before.i just had pain and i beat it every time.i am very mad because i have these relapses every now and then,but i just realised i never changed my negative toughts patterns,that causes my symtoms.every time i get tms i go to my therapist and work on my emotions ,but i never changed my negative and catastrophical thinking.
This time i will but i must take some more time to assure my self that all these new symtoms are just as benign as all others were.and in the last 7 years i had them more then enough. |
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pericakralj
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Posted - 03/17/2010 : 13:26:22
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For some reason i cant read your latest replay hillbilly.and i realy need every peace of edvice and encouragmet.
So pls post again. |
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Hillbilly
USA
385 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2010 : 15:51:07
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I edited the earlier post. There isn't anything new. There isn't anything new in what I wrote above either. It is stuff that you already know. You have read extensively and have been told repeatedly by doctors and therapists that you are fine, merely suffering the effects of chronic negative thinking and stress. There is a quote by Friedrich Nietzsche that goes something like "If you stare into the abyss long enough, eventually the abyss stares back at you." Well, you are staring into your body with an eye trained, intent, obsessed on finding something wrong that would explain your ordeal. But the cure is simply to stop looking into the abyss. It is no more complicated than that.
I hate quotations. Tell me what you know.
Ralph Waldo Emerson |
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pericakralj
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Posted - 03/17/2010 : 16:28:15
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ok,
i will stop looking in the abyss.
Thx for your replay. |
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n/a
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Posted - 03/17/2010 : 17:11:06
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| Hillbilly: is there a way I can contact you? I am reading one of Claire Weekes's books after reading some of your posts, and I agree that anxiety is a huge issue (I am planning to go see a therapist about this and related things). Let me know how I can get in touch because for me as well the pure TMS approach has been difficult. |
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