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patrickneil
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 Posted - 03/02/2010 : 18:25:23
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Heres where I am, not sure where to go
I am 25 years old living with neck & back pain. My upper back is really tight when I wake up and not as bad as the day goes on. My trigger is mostly posture -- whether my head is tilted looking at my phone or sometimes my laptop, it could be 5min it could be 20 min.
I have read Dr. Sarno MBP & Fred Amir's Rapid Recovery as well as completed Dr. Schubiner's 4 week online program.
My problem is as I try to set short term goals as recommended by Rapid Recovery (Fred Amir), I find it challenging because i have pretty much full mobility and strength.
I feel like every post I read about on the board basically says they are not pain free but they are feeling better. I see lots of posts of people who are 80% after 6 months to 3 years of applying TMS treatment to their life. It scares me. It scares me that a program that says most people get better within a few weeks, there are so many people on this board you arent better. I just really want to know if TMS treatment actually cures the pain or if people just learn to live with the pain.
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HellNY
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Posted - 03/02/2010 : 20:23:11
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My pain is 80% better. The remainding 20% is no longer bothersome. Sometimes I feel it but it has little meaning. I have been liberated from the pain-related nonsense I used to live with.
Pain has a sensory component and and emotional component. People's suffering is actually due to the negative emotional component.
As your emotional reaction to the pain subsides the pain signal itself subsides.
Mileage could vary I suppose. Im not sure being scared is the response I would have. Im thrilled to have achieved so much in less than 2 years. |
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catspine
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 00:02:08
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Tms is almost like having an affair: even if you end the relationship for good you can never tell what will happen if you meet again somehow because you don't know what the emotional reaction will be then or what consequences it will have. Unless you can stay away from what got you in trouble to begin with. |
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HilaryN
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 05:57:42
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I feel like every post I read about on the board basically says they are not pain free but they are feeling better.
That's because people who get better don't usually hang around the board - they're too busy getting on with their lives! Have you read the Success Stories forum?
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=4
(Note that the Success Stories forum was only created a couple of years ago - there are loads more Success Stories prior to that, too.)
You don't get many people who have recovered posting to say "I need advice - I'm fully recovered. What should I do next?"
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I see lots of posts of people who are 80% after 6 months to 3 years of applying TMS treatment to their life. It scares me. It scares me that a program that says most people get better within a few weeks, there are so many people on this board you arent better.
It's true that lots of people don't get better within a few weeks. Everyone is different - for me it took about 6 months, but I am now pain-free and have fully returned to the activity which I perceived as causing the pain. (Using computer keyboard and mouse.)
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I just really want to know if TMS treatment actually cures the pain or if people just learn to live with the pain.
IT CURES THE PAIN.
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Edited by - HilaryN on 03/03/2010 06:02:38 |
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patrickneil
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 07:52:13
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| Thank you all and thank you Hiliary, thats exactly the answer I was looking for. My inital thought was that the people who are pain-free are not on the board, but I'm pretty sure when I get better I will stay on the board to help others and I assumed most other TMS patients would do that as well. |
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skizzik
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 08:02:02
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Originally posted by patrickneil
Thank you all and thank you Hiliary, thats exactly the answer I was looking for. My inital thought was that the people who are pain-free are not on the board, but I'm pretty sure when I get better I will stay on the board to help others and I assumed most other TMS patients would do that as well.
yeah, it's that little bit (or whole lot) that keeps people attuned I think.
When I'm in no pain, like very comfortable, the thought of this board scares the crap outta me and is just a reminder of the pain and when I searched and read everything here and reached out to so many.
I've suffered with anxiety and depression at different points of my life, and when I did I searched the net, and found some relief I was'nt alone. But what I did'nt find was people who were cured and hung around those forums. They probably forgot they even suffered.
Read "Newmom"
http://tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3785
I mean, here's a woman who was totally disabled with tms. Came here desperate for support. At some point eased her life, her mind, her pain. Then after she runs a marathon, AND FORGETS THIS BOARD EVEN EXISTED!!!!!
I think thats how the treatment is then successful. If TMS were logical "If P then Q" then anyone could write a "cure your chronic pain book" and become wealthy beyond belief. Recovery or should I say forgetting is just a very individual thing.
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Edited by - skizzik on 03/03/2010 08:02:50 |
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patrickneil
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 15:24:57
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| Skizzik - thanks I really appreciate it. The link to NEWMOM's post really helps and really puts this in perspective. Based on my structural diagnosis alone I know I SHOULDN'T be in pain, I just needed a little boost. |
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HilaryN
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 16:19:17
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Patrick,
That'll be great if you do stay on. (As long as you do it because you WANT to and not because you think you SHOULD.)
I know that encouragement from recovered TMS-ers was crucial in my recovery, which is why I stick around to "pay forward".
skiz, I love that you stay around and keep us all laughing!
It's true, too, how easy it is to forget what pain is when one is no longer suffering.
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Edited by - HilaryN on 03/04/2010 16:20:54 |
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HilaryN
United Kingdom
879 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2010 : 16:22:07
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btw Patrick, reading your first post, it sounds like you'd like some advice on what kind of goals to set yourself?
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pandamonium
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/05/2010 : 02:31:49
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Patrick, I think some people "learn to live with the pain" and in doing so the fear receeds a bit, and after a while they notice the pain has receeded without them noticing. Fear and pain go hand in hand, fear fuels the pain, fear made my body tense up and heighten the pain.
Hilary is right, the pain goes away completely. If I very occasionally have a twinge I start thinking psychologically and it stops. I have only been using this board for 2 years but I notice that new people come, struggle for a while, then get better and move on. A few of us are totally pain free but stick around to help others, but we are in the minority.
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