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dtes87
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 Posted - 12/10/2009 : 19:04:02
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Im 22 years old and recently had a whiplash accident through weightlifting. I yanked this thing badly. MRIs show I have a straight neck b/c of resulting muscle spasms. I have been in pain and misery for 3 and a half months in my neck and upper back, and fibro is quickly developing b/c the imbalance is causing all my joints to hurt and be pulled. I also now have sinus pain and pressure, and occasional ringing in the ears.
I became interested in Sarno after desperation, and b/c I fit all the TMS personality characteristics. However, I clearly had my pain after my injury, and following was anxiety, depression, etc. My point-AFTER the injury.
I want to just ignorethe pain and continue to work out. But I cant help but think how stupid that is since even Sarno (i think) acknowledges everything isnt TMS. pLEASE GUYS.....i dont wanna live my life in chronic pain, im only 22!!! Doctors say besides pinched nerves on my MRI, no treatment is needed and nothing can be done. Ive also tried chiros, PT, and acupuncture to no avail.
Should I just go all the way and ignore the pain and believe Sarno, or is my injury to obvious to avoid? |
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winnieboo
USA
269 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2009 : 20:35:59
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| You won't be in pain forever! I had a neck injury that sounds similar to yours, and it took months to go away--but it went away! Improvement was gradual, and I feared the gym (which I LOVED before my injury), but today I'm back doing everything. The pinched nerve bothered me for less than a year...the residual tension in my shoulders and neck took longer. I started with doctors, painkillers, physical therapy, acupuncture, nothing worked. I was told I had fibromyalgia. I rejected that diagnosis and read Sarno instead and went to psychotherapy. Sarno and talking helped; so did prayer and meditation for me. So, hang in there. It really won't be forever. The body heals. Pinched nerves are still alive, just trapped and irritated. Eventually, your muscles will relax, and things will get back to normal. For now, try to enjoy the holidays; do lower body stuff at the gym--but don't give it up altogether--that would be depressing! Try to keep as much normalcy and routine as you can despite your pain. There are tons of great books recommended on this forum. Helps to have a couple of those at your bedside. I agree that Sarno can be confusing b/c not everything is TMS, but if your MRI and docs say no treatment, then trust that and give it time. Good luck. |
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dtes87
19 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2009 : 21:00:11
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Thanks winnie. so what are your views towards injuries causing TMS? I am really in denial of what I know to be a structural problem. I mean, if an anvil falls on your foot and its hurting a few weeks after, can you really deny the pain is physical?
I had no problems until the injury. I am just admitting that Im impatient and miserable over the pain, and fearful that it wont heal due to whiplash having a reputation of an injury that often doesnt go away for years, or doesnt even heal completely. |
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la_kevin
USA
351 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2009 : 22:07:20
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You have to understand how TMS works first. Physical problems can be triggers and most often are. "Injury" does happen from time to time to everyone. It's what happens AFTER that makes up the TMS dilemna.
You speak of "Fibro" as if it is a definitive diagnosis. It isn't. Not one test in the world exists for this so -called "fibro" diagnosis. It's a term to describe a chronic pain syndrome that has no known provable cause. I was diagnosed with it also. I believe "fibro" is TMS.
You mentioned you had depression and anxiety AFTER the injury. Those two things are common with pain and injury, but can be a hint at something deeper mentally, a precursor or a pot waiting to boil over, so to speak. It's worth pondering.
Yes, Sarno acknowledges not everything is TMS, and it's good to know that. That's why a proper diagnosis from someone trained in TMS is a good helper I feel.
You've had "treatments' to no avail you say. That might be a hint.
When doctors say "nothing can be done", they have basically given up their oaths. I've known and seen this said by many Doctors. Just because THEY don't have an answer, they shirk it off as impossible. It's one of the most irresponsible statements a Doctor can make.
And the statement itself can cause a patient to go into a panic, MORESO with TMS patients I have found. It starts the "what if" ball rolling in your head.
You seem like an intelligent guy for 22 years old. A characteristic of an analytical mind. TMS playground LOL.
I would start off by trying to relax for starters. You sound scared and it's normal, but it's not going to help, and if you are a TMS case, it will only make things worse.
Try to clear the fear based thinking of "what if " and "this will never go away" type of thoughts. Then try to see a TMS doctor. You might have to even take a plane or a long ride to see one, but the expense is worth the diagnosis. Explain how you need a thorough exam from him since you travelled far. After that you don't really need to see them to be "treated".
You can then work on it as a "TMS patient" if that is what you have.
Now I'm not trying to convert you here or anything. I usually am one of the people here who say "be sure it's TMS" before giving any advice to people. But, you have certain traits of the TMS type, I can tell just by reading your posts and the overall tone. Let's just say you fit the 'model', or one of the models.
"Pinched Nerves"on an MRI? Had nerve testing to see that is what is being blocked? I for one don't believe in the usual pinched nerve theory, and it has very loose science to back it up. It's a chiro based/neuro based overused term.
Your neck muscles and the supporting ones are very much "postural" muscles. I had tense neck muscles for years before discovering TMS . Even now and then these days I can feel them contract when I am angry or fearful at stuff and am lying in bed trying to sleep. My dentist even commented on my jaw muscle strength and wondered if I am a "grinder". I said I wasn't. He said, "People don't get muscles like this from doing nothing". I then admitted that I probably did it subconsciously so much that I didn't notice.
My point being, is that underlined stress and anxiety can produce MASSIVE and altering results over time to muscles. Neck muscles are a big one.
Your last statement is fallacious in nature.
What does it mean to "believe Sarno". Sarno is not a guru or is he working on a faith based system. It's not like this is a cult LOL. It's not about a "faith" in TMS. Just read his stuff, or buy his audiobooks. I always advise audiobooks over the written stuff, it helps to have it in the background so the subconscious picks up things you would have missed by reading. Spoken words have more impact.
If you discover TMS is what you have, be thankful you didn't suffer for years before even knowing about the POSSIBILITY of a psychosomatic illness. I suffered for 6 years before even hearing of Sarno or TMS.
Just relax for now. All the symptoms you have can be attributed to extreme nervous system reactions. ALL OF IT. ALl the "my joints are pulled" talk and stuff is a distraction. You didn't get hit by a MACK truck or fall from a 4 story window.
Slow down....
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"Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans"- John Lennon
"TMS is just as afraid of us succeeding, as it is us failing" - Me |
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la_kevin
USA
351 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2009 : 22:26:07
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Additionally, the term "WHIPLASH" is a non medical term to describe "soft tissue" injury to your neck or straining it beyond it's usual range of motion.
It's the same as saying "I strained my neck".
But I guess the archaic term "WHIPLASH" sticks apparently. If you want to choose to keep calling it that, go ahead. But it's going to induce more of a "OMG OMG" feeling to your psyche.
The term should be banned IMO.
Quoting you:
"Im 22 years old and recently had a whiplash accident through weightlifting. I yanked this thing badly. MRIs show I have a straight neck b/c of resulting muscle spasms. I have been in pain and misery for 3 and a half months in my neck and upper back, and fibro is quickly developing b/c the imbalance is causing all my joints to hurt and be pulled. I also now have sinus pain and pressure, and occasional ringing in the ears."
You probably have what's called a "military neck" or "militaristic" neck. It's from years of posture. Certain types of people have it. It's developed over years. Athletes, "tense" types, people who use computers alot, etc. It's basically benign on it's own put rigid and can be prone to range of motion injuries.
Had that too, after TMS my neck muscles relaxed. It would probably show up the same on an X Ray, nothing has changed. Wanna knows how often I get headaches? Never
You speak of "fibro" and ringing in ears, sinus pain, etc. All this from the supposed "whiplash"? An onset of generalized symptoms which seem to be spreading? "whiplash" caused from a tiny tearing in muscle tissue from a sports injury is causing all this? Does that even seem logical? Critically think about the deduction you've fallen victim to.
So you're at a point where every symptom above your neck can now be attributed to the "event", which is relatively small in nature. If you have tooth pain, eyes twitching, hair fall out, vision problems, hearing loss...will it all be because of this now?
You can see where I am going here and how TMS usually picks up steam and becomes a snowball effect. It's something to think about.
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"Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans"- John Lennon
"TMS is just as afraid of us succeeding, as it is us failing" - Me |
Edited by - la_kevin on 12/10/2009 22:52:05 |
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dtes87
19 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2009 : 04:38:32
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Lakevin, thanks i appreciate your feedback. But all these symptoms DID come with the neck injury. I LOST my cervical curve due to trama, this is not only a posture-related kyphosis of the neck. Many whiplash patients in car accidents have military necks only due to the trauma, which is the same in my case.
I also didnt point out that my whole body twitches everywhere now. My fingers involuntarily jerk and so do my toes. I definitely have pinched nerves. BUT I will buy Sarno's book ASAP b/c I have school on Jan.4 and am trying to get better by then. I had to withdraw from my university this past quarter due to the traumatic event I had to endure. It was miserable and still plagues me to this day-doctor visits all the time, constant worrying and panic and pain, my roomates thinking im a crazed whiner over "a little neck pain".
*Sigh* Its either Sarno, or nothing.
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skizzik
USA
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 04:39:39
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Originally posted by la_kevin
an analytical mind. TMS playground LOL.
"The analytical mind is the playground of TMS."
Thats a keeper, nice way to put it Kevin.
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skizzik
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2009 : 05:20:11
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Originally posted by dtes87
I also didnt point out that my whole body twitches everywhere now. My fingers involuntarily jerk and so do my toes.
typical tms
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Originally posted by dtes87
I have school on Jan.4 and am trying to get better by then.
you've just added nitro to your TMS fuel.
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Originally posted by dtes87
constant worrying and panic and pain, my roomates thinking im a crazed whiner over "a little neck pain".
You should listen to your roomates.
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la_kevin
USA
351 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2009 : 05:21:04
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Originally posted by dtes87
Lakevin, thanks i appreciate your feedback. But all these symptoms DID come with the neck injury. I LOST my cervical curve due to trama, this is not only a posture-related kyphosis of the neck. Many whiplash patients in car accidents have military necks only due to the trauma, which is the same in my case.
I also didnt point out that my whole body twitches everywhere now. My fingers involuntarily jerk and so do my toes. I definitely have pinched nerves. BUT I will buy Sarno's book ASAP b/c I have school on Jan.4 and am trying to get better by then. I had to withdraw from my university this past quarter due to the traumatic event I had to endure. It was miserable and still plagues me to this day-doctor visits all the time, constant worrying and panic and pain, my roomates thinking im a crazed whiner over "a little neck pain".
*Sigh* Its either Sarno, or nothing.
Well, then it seems you would have no use being here since it's all from your injury....correct?
So why bother? Sarno isn't going to help, we can't help, you definitely think it's due to "pinched nerves". So why would I or anybody post till we're blue in the face?
You have "loss of cervical curve", "whiplash", an injury. And you added on twitching of toes and fingers?
What do you want 'help" with from this board?
Sarno or nothing? Well, you seem convinced it's all physical so all I can say is maybe go to another Doctor and figure out treatment. I don't really know what other answers you could be looking for.
You posted you "need our help". Well, if it's all physical , how can we help. This is a TMS board, not a Chiro board. We don't have offices or medical diagnostic equipment or white coats on and we don't give MRIs here, so what now?
You say you have all the TMS characteristics, yet you CLEARLY are convinced I am mistaken. After all I wrote your answers are "But but , but this and but but that".
Well then go seek more 'medical' advice and get more MRIs and X-Rays and more therapy. And if you can't find an answer after thousands of dollars in "treatment", come back here and try again.
Till then, I myself have nothing to say more.
Good Luck
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"Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans"- John Lennon
"TMS is just as afraid of us succeeding, as it is us failing" - Me |
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la_kevin
USA
351 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2009 : 05:28:19
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And also, if you think we're here to try and convince over to the "TMS Side" think again. I personally have no time to spend hours trying to coax you to accept TMS as a possibility, maybe someone else will entertain you. I gave you a very well written time consuming response. I pretty much summed up the basic premises that most here would tell you.
If you require 20 more responses with a whole book of text dedicated to convincing YOU of "something" or opening possibilities in your mind , think again.
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"Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans"- John Lennon
"TMS is just as afraid of us succeeding, as it is us failing" - Me |
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skizzik
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2009 : 06:13:48
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Whoa, kev, easy bro.
You're reminding me a lot about how "shawnsmith" used to be.
Maybe you're angry and trying to control something, don't know, hope things are ok. You're playing the "After all I've done for you card" (what's goin on there?)
Anyhoo, do you think a 22 Year old who's grown up in the "instant information" age and has been bombarded and brainwashed by conventional medical treatment is gonna absorb everything in a day?
I know we did'nt. At his age, he does'nt have the hindsight yet to look back on his life and see how stressful events in his life corresponded with "real" convincing physical symptoms.
I know it's early in the morning where you are, (maybe having a symptom or two?) and you clearly spent time on your posts, so it's frustrating to see he's not thinking a different way in an hour. But even if he gets it or does'nt, they will get archived and people will benefit from your time and effort. I know for a fact I have.
Hang in there for our new young lad (lol), he's not going anywhere, Sarno is his first breath of fresh air in along time. He needs to hear your experiences to relate. We all do. We need you here Kev. |
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winnieboo
USA
269 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2009 : 09:47:24
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Yes, I think injury can be a trigger and you can feel pain from an injury, but it turns into chronic pain and "fibro" and a body that twitches all over when you become completely freaked about the injury. Fear sets in and the "what ifs" and the BIG question of "is this going to be permanent?"
My own neck "injury" was hard to pinpoint. It presented like whiplash, but hey, no car accident. Just pulling ivy out of the garden. I'd had a stiff neck for months before and then my elbow went numb (they called it a pinched nerve). I was totally functioning, although my elbow was annoying, and then I did the MRI. I remember the day they told me I had two slipped discs. I thought, gee, it really doesn't hurt that much. But two weeks later, I was mess! Nocebo, you know? Then I was seeing millions of doctors and worrying and NOT functioning.
So, no more neck problems, but I'm so the TMS person that I've moved onto some other equally or perhaps more distressing symptom that of course, I think will be permanent. On my good days, when I'm mindful and calm and feeling in control, my pain level is pretty low (and I'm sure all my symptoms are TMS) when I'm upset or angry or hormonal (49-year old female) it's up and I start to re-analyze the symptoms, questioning if they're TMS or not. Those are the days it sucks to be me--lol!
Part of the TMS personality is wrapped up in anxiety, or more specifically and particularly in my case, OCD. Your brain gets stuck on the pain; you obsess about it. And then you get confused and ask yourself, "How can I not obsess about it? It's always there!!" It's like, what came first the pain or the obsession? But in the final analysis, when you're in groove of constantly thinking and worrying about the pain, it doesn't matter. You're not in control anymore, and you have to get yourself back in control.
When your mind's not with you, and you're constantly focusing on your body, and your constantly looking up symptoms (many of us have this issue), then (and Sarno goes into detail about this) your nervous system is on hyper-alert. You start to fear every sensation and the fear causes your muscles to tense and then there's more pain.
In any case, so easy for us to tell you to calm down, you know, let go, but essentially, that's the cure. If I could calm down FOREVER, I'd be in much better shape! The process of keeping oneself calm is ongoing. I read self-help books, pray a lot, meditate. I'm really bad with drugs, even advil, because I focus on every little side effect. I did psycho-dynamic therapy for almost two years and it gave me an understanding of my history and my OCD and perfectionist personality and past abuse, etc., etc., but I REALLY believe that this pain syndrome thing is BEHAVIORAL! The psycho-dynamic thing is only the first step of the program. You have to get yourself out of the groove of constantly thinking about your body. Not that you're at this point yet, but I think that CBT would be a better therapy for TMS issues. Anybody have a comment on this?
In any case, the point is, I think that injuries or surgery or sprains, strains, etc can all be "real" for lack of a better word, but the body heals. Humans have enormous built-in resources for repairing but when your mind gets in your way with fear and over-analysis and what I call "hyper-checking" (you know...does it still hurt? Can I do this? Does it still look swollen? Funny? Is it still twitching? Will it twitch again? etc.)--that's when you're in trouble. Sarno's "thinking psychological" is a way to take back control of your mind. You can also read Eckhardt Tolle, or the Buddhists...it's about being "mindful"--and you can embrace whatever form of mindfulness works for you. Think about what's really going on in your life. Or better yet, just think about work, or the people you love, or dinner--or whatever. Just get your mind off your body and let your body do what it knows how to do automatically. Like heal and breathe and function.
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dtes87
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 09:48:27
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Dont be upset with lakevin. He is right. He put a lot of time and effort into that response for a complete stranger. I guess I just wanted to make sure from somebody more experienced that it wasnt physical so as to make sure I wasnt making things worse. More of a confirmation/question than an argument, but I didnt express it that way.
Thanks again Lakevin and be patient with me, Im just goin through a really rough time. |
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almost there
109 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2009 : 10:11:05
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la_Kevin,
Harsh....very harsh....but true!
The hardest step in accepting TMS is to let go of the idea that the pain has to be coming from something physically wrong.....most of us struggle with this for quite awhile....going back and forth.....until we have exhausted every test and several medical opinions...and we have nowhere else to go....and even then it's hard
Fear drives this....and until we are able to let it go and not worry about it day and night...we are still on the journey....
dtes87....hope you are able to make the transition....
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skizzik
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2009 : 10:14:51
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Hey dtes,
I'm sure you'll get more replies later. This is a slower moving forum compared to other ones you might be into. But they'll come. Nice post Winnie.
No-one's mad at lakev, I think he's frustrated (perhaps) that by the time you read all of Sarno and go thru the archives here you'll have come to the same conclusions that he summarized here and he doe'snt want anyone else to go thru that hell of research like he and we did.
But that's why TMS will be in the shadows for many years yet because it's so implausible based on what we've been taught, that your mind can create or acclerate pain for reasons other than real injuries.
Everywhere you look there's pain relief commercials, billboards, pop-up ads, chiro offices next to every starbucks etc. There's no Sarno ads, no TMS treatment inserts in your newspaper.
Rather, it's pure doom and gloom backed by an industry whose sole survival is based on how much pain your'e in and how much you believe their treatment will work. And how do they keep you hooked? They must make you worry. Because no-one worries about pain that they know will subside in a few days. But as winnie implied, worry is tms fuel.
For the skeptical/analytical ones of us, often we must go thru the gauntlet of medical treatment before accepting even one iota of what's goin on.
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la_kevin
USA
351 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2009 : 13:57:26
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I didn't get angry because my post wasn't "appreciated", I could care less.
I was angry because you came here as a newbie wanting 'help' and I offered my best opinion on the matter, as someone who has a certain "expertise" in TMS. Now, it's not to boast, because arguing from authority is a BS fallacy, "experts" in anything can be wrong.
But you seemed to not listen for someone who is "desperate". If you're going to solicit advice, then take or ponder it, or don't at all.
So my response still remains. If you are convinced it's "whiplash", "pinched nerves", or "injury"....then what could WE here possibly do for you?
If you want the help you say you're desperate for, then be open.
Like I said before, a diagnosis would really help someone like you. But you didn't seem to hear that, so I'm saying it again. Problems are solved by taking steps, not talking about the problem more.
Sure it helps to talk, but you have to have a goal.
I'll repeat myself. Buy a Sarno book, preferably an audiobook, or any audiobook by one of the many people on TMS/AOS. Give it a listen and see what you feel. And if you suspect it's you, try to find a TMS doctor near you or make planes to travel to one.
If you have TMS, it's your responsibility to be proactive in it. It essentially is entirely a "YOU" deal. We can only advise here, the rest is you. People will help, there are many good folks here.
So take the advice or not. It may sound harsh, but it's straight forward. If you don't though than you will just be wasting other people's time and yours. If you choose to ....then welcome.
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"Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans"- John Lennon
"TMS is just as afraid of us succeeding, as it is us failing" - Me |
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winnieboo
USA
269 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2009 : 15:25:27
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Right...the thing is that you have to forget about all the diagnoses. If you're hanging on to a medical explanation, or if you're looking for further medical answers because your not satisfied yet, taking a "TMS" approach won't work. It won't be taking a TMS approach at all. You have to get your head out of your body and back to thinking about your thoughts, school, the holidays, stuff, whatever. Forget the physical. And gradually your muscle spasms will settle down and you'll be moving a little better and you'll be feeling "up" to doing more and you will.
Anyway, nothing is structurally wrong with you. You see, that's where your fear is, that's where OUR fear is. It's like a voice inside your head saying "oh no!" all the time. "What did I do to myself? What's next? Will the pain be worse tomorrow? etc., and the pain just got fuel, as Skiz said, you know, you just feed it. So stop feeding it.
By the way, even the people whose MRI's show multiple structural "abnormalities" either have no pain to begin with (you will learn this when you read the Sarno books), or they improve their pain or become pain-free after Sarno.
Let me qualify for new readers of course: you DO need to get a diagnosis, to rule out true illness, infections (I won't make a long list, b/c it's too anxiety provoking for most of us)! And, while one is on a TMS journey, it's still important to see doctors for NEW issues. If you get a bad sinus infection, whether or not you were stressing before you got it and that contributed to your weakened immune system, I mean obviously, you have to treat that. But then if they're recurring, apply your TMS knowledge to a better state of mind that contributes to a healthier body.
When you read Sarno, you'll see his list of what is TMS, including just about everything related to the neck, back, muscle spasms, nerve disorders of all kinds, migraines, sinus issues and more. As la kevin points out, many are helped by having TMS confirmed by another person/doctor. I was one of those people--I'm on the East Coast, you know, land of Sarno, but there are others who read the book and improve. Whomever you turn out to be in that way, try to remember to have some patience with yourself. I didn't recover overnight and when I solve one constellation of symptoms I move onto another one (Sarno's symptom imperative), but now it's easier to know what's going on, to recognize the "b.s." (very appropo term) as it's been put forward here. |
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 15:38:18
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Originally posted by dtes87
Lakevin, thanks i appreciate your feedback. But all these symptoms DID come with the neck injury. I LOST my cervical curve due to trama, this is not only a posture-related kyphosis of the neck. Many whiplash patients in car accidents have military necks only due to the trauma, which is the same in my case.
I'm afraid you are simply not at the point where you accept TMS. This may sound harsh, and you probably don't agree.
First of all, if you read Dr. Sarno's book, you should find an entire section about whiplash. He provides evidence that whiplash does not exist, at least not in the way it is typically defined. In general, the concept of an injury leading to chronic symptoms is entirely contradictory to the concept of TMS.
Therefore, if you believe that whiplash has caused a "straight neck" or "pinched nerve" then you simply do not agree with Dr. Sarno's assertions about the human body being strong and resilient.
While it is certainly possible that you strained a muscle during weightlifting, such an injury would heal completely and not develop into some chronic structural problem. If you had sustained a severe trauma, it would have presented as something significant on the MRI. But even the MDs are telling you that there is no treatment. You can bet that if there was a reason to cut you open, they would find it.
You are at a typical junction and need to make a decision. If you want to treat the pain as TMS, you must commit completely. Even if you may not belive it you must still commit to doing the work. This means you have to stop all physical treatments (no chriopractors, physical therapy, acupuncture), stop thinking physical (all that medical jargon in your message proves otherwise), and start thinking psychological.
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skizzik
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2009 : 18:09:10
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Originally posted by la_kevin
I didn't get angry because my post wasn't "appreciated", I could care less.
 Well, your'e appreciated here wether you like it or not!
For the so called harsh advice being given, I recall Dr. Schubiner rolling his eyes on the other side of the phone on the upteenth follow up call I had with him and he said "Skiz (well, my real name lol) do you want me to scream at you that you have TMS"!
I felt better after that call than all the others. He was confident enough to yell at me! A real M.D. wanted to yell at me.
You know I tell my kids you know your'e a good player on the team when the coach constantly yells at you or pulls you aside and lectures you. They don't waste their time with the below average kids since they won't get anything out of em.
Ya know, now that I think about it, the coach never yelled at me
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la_kevin
USA
351 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2009 : 23:55:00
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Skiz , your post was hilarious.
Sometimes people do need to hear things with no chaser. Some times 'coddling' someone through a tough time can hinder them. With dtes87 he needs to know he has a choice, to take advice he solicits, or not.
It really is that simple.
We don't have all the answers here, but collectively we can almost solve any TMS riddle.
When I first came here years ago it was right after I read Sarnos book. I remember my pain changing RIGHT as I was reading it, so I came here because I knew something was going on that validated Sarno.
Even then , I STILL thought people here were full of POOP. So I know how it is.
But the diagnosis is important. People need to rule out the physical so their mind doesn't wander, or else there's really no reason for them to be here asking for help. If they're in the PHYSICAL realm and we are coming from the emotional/psyche realm, we're speaking two different languages.
As for you DTES87, maybe I was a little harsher because you're younger and I had this vision of a "kid" that wanted to tell everyone how smart he was after pleading for 'help'. Sorry man, sometimes being the youngest of the crowd isn't easy. Been there myself. Us "older" guys can be A holes at times.
But there's also a method to the madness to snap you out of a mindset with giving you a straight, no chaser choice. If we didn't give a crap we wouldn't post IMO. I mean, I like the sound of my own voice sometimes, but not this much.
Think about everything people here have said. Everyone on this thread. Take the collective advice and weigh it out and see what it all points to. That's the "help" you are looking for.
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"Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans"- John Lennon
"TMS is just as afraid of us succeeding, as it is us failing" - Me |
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The way La kevin feels sort of reminds me of how I feel about my mother. Shes complete TMS, as I was/am.
She more or less bought into the whole physical thing. She'd had a low back surgery where one pain was "fixed" but now she has exruciating head pain. Symptoms substituted.
I had a long (2-hour) talk with her a few weeks ago because she called me and she was in so much pain. I said "look, you know what I am going to say. Im not going to try to pursuade you of anything but all I can do is tell you my story and what happened with me...."
We spoke for 2 hours. She was really upbeat about the possibility and really - for the first time - took these ideas seriously and felt that the TMS profiles was definitely "her." She told me "I just hope I can do what you did." and I told her its not so much about "doing" as it is accepting the diagnosis, letting go of teh fear and letting the TMS stop on its own momentum. She was really there.
Two weeks later I get an email from her where she informs me she has scheduled a cervical neck surgery and discectomy on January 7, 2010.
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I really need your guys help...whiplash here
