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Sara
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 Posted - 01/08/2005 : 18:07:13
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Do you all believe that most chronic pain is TMS? I am starting to really feel that way especially about my own pain. My pubic bone was separated after childbirth which really is not all that uncommon. However, everything I have read about this problem is that it heals within a few months. My pain has been going on for 2 1/2 years.
Leading up to my pregnancy we had been going through a very tough time. We suffered through three miscarriages, numerous fertility treaments,the decline of my mother-in-law's health (she was diagnosed with early onset alzheimers), and the death of my father-in-law. My pregnancy itself was very difficult as well. I had something called hyperemisis, which is severe nausea. I was sick 7,8,9 times a day for four months straight. I lost ten percent of my body weight and was attached to an IV for awhile. I also wonder if hyperemisis could also be TMS.
Anyway, needless to say we were going through a lot. Three months after my daughter's birth, my husband took a new job out of state. For three months he lived in Colorado and I lived in Chicago. He needed to start work right away and I needed to keep my son in school and try to sell our house. I often think, no wonder TMS took hold where it did but, by no means should I continue to feel pain there two years later.
I have probably divulged too much information, so back to my original question, Is all or most chronic pain (not including cancer, bone disease etc) TMS?
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Baseball65
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2005 : 19:32:04
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That is a very tough question.I think the only person who can answer that question ever would be a TMS doctor who did a thorough research study.
On an individual basis,only a sufferer knows..it's intuitive.Assuming the medical condition is one in which the person won't be HARMED by discontinuing treatment (asthma,infections,pregnancy conditions,etc.)I suppose the litmus test would be to treat it as if it is,and watch the results.
Your Husband being gone right after giving birth,and all the emotional trauma of a miscarriage,not to mention three,would seem to be a formula for a lot of emotional turbulence...perhaps the Nausea was distracting you from the terror of losing another child?
None the less,a pregnant mother dehydrated,regardless of the REASON must be dealt with medically.
What kind of treatment have you been prescribed for the ongoing condition they have diagnosed? What would happen if you discontinued it?
I don't think anybody but the sufferer would ever know the answer to the question....but mine sure was(TMS)
You've been through an awful lot!! Physically AND emotionally.
peace
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Edited by - Baseball65 on 01/08/2005 19:32:33 |
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Sara
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Posted - 01/09/2005 : 17:12:59
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Baseball 65, thank you for responding. After my daughter was born my pubic bone felt sore, but the pain was not debilitating. When I went to my six week postpartum checkup, I told my doctor about it and she prescribed PT. Although I honestly can't remember well, it seems the pain got worse then. At times it was very difficult for me to even walk.
The pain is better now than it was, but my doctors are a bit perplexed. They are now saying I am hypermobile. They claim my ligaments are so lax that I can't keep my pelvis in place and am therefore haviing pain.
I had PT for two plus years, five prolotherapy treatments on both my SI area and my pubic bone, intramuscular stimulation, and some acupuncture. Nothing has helped, not even a bit.
So that is why I am here now. I did talk to my present doctor about Sarno and she agrees to some extent. She said I should get moving, but wants to try other things as well. I have
heeded her advice in that I am exercising, but that is it. I have broken all other ties to the medical community.
I have only been doing this full force for two weeks or so and am now feeling worse the past few days. I am running 5minutes per day and really trying to ignore the pain. At first I felt alightened and now I am coming down off that high and feeling a bit dejected. I took it easy today which I am not sure is necessarily the right thing to do. I am a bit of an all or nothing type of person.
Anyway I appreciate your kind words and the words of others. I do feel this is a safe place to come and I am grateful for that.
Sara
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Baseball65
USA
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Posted - 01/09/2005 : 18:37:58
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Hi Sara
Well with that info...I'd tend to agree with you that there is a psychogenic process going on.The reason I'd speculate is those diagnoses are all sort of mushy....
Mushy diagnosis(like Myo-facial pain) are generally a sign that something emotional has taken hold of a once physical ailment.
It is very common for the pain of TMS to become worse once you begin treatment....if it's destracting you from your subconscious rage,it thinks it's helping you,and you challenging it means it has to "turn up the volume" so to speak,to drown out any chance of you suspecting it.....it's almost the rule.
As Sarno says,a broken Femur,the Largest bone in the body,repairs in 6 weeks,and there is only pain for a fraction of that time...two years is a long time for this problem.
My wife fell and landed on her butt right after our first was born...she was in pain for years ,and they diagnosed her coccyx(spelling?)...you know that extra piece of tailbone at the end of the spine?
After readin Sarno,she realized the pain went away when she became pregnant again...if it really had been her tail bone,her pregnancy should have aggravated it ,not cured it!
Hindsight is always 20/20
I think your on the right trail...stick it out.
baseballmania
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 01/09/2005 : 20:15:09
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Sara,
You may take your feeling of being a bit dejected as proof of TMS. Now that you are feeling physicaly improved, TMS is morphing into it's other forms such as emotional equivalents. It's sublte I think. You've had two good weeks and you have perhaps lost momory of the bad old days - "is that all there is?". Depression is another TMS equivalent.
Now that my hip "arthritis"/TMS is greatly improved, I am noticing increases in emotional equivalents such as changed sleeping patterns, free-floating anxiety, depression, over-eating, etc. Instead of a physical TMS distaction, I now have emotional TMS equivalents. I like to think of it as an over-use injury of the gray matter. It all serves the same purpose, to distract one from their repressed rage, and the pressures we impose on ourselves that create it - "you can run but you can't hide."
I would like to think of this, and maybe you should too, as taking the work to a higher level. It took our psyches perhaps a lifetime to unconsciously develop the patterns of perception that created our reservoirs of TMS rage, it should take a while to re-train our minds with the help of TMS knowledge as the "penicilin".
I would go back to MBP and look up depression and equivalents in the index to better understand what you may be going through. Good luck! |
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Carol
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Posted - 01/09/2005 : 20:43:53
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Hi Sara. You are the first person on this forum that I can remember talking about pain in the pubic bone, although Dr. Sarno does mention it in one of his books.
The reason that I am commenting on this is that I have pain in the pubic bone intermittently, which the doctor told me was referred from my back pain. It tends to occur when the back pain is especially bad, when I lay down in bed at night. I also have pain in both groin areas, and that has also been called referred pain. Your post makes me more inclined to believe that the back pain is TMS. Thanks for that, as I am having a crisis of confidence right now!
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Sara
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Posted - 01/10/2005 : 13:11:36
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Thank you everyone for your insight. I now understand why the pain is worse, but how do I conquer it? I am not so great at ignoring it. Do I just continue to do the activities that cause pain or do I take the process a little more slowly? I read Amir's book and am now trying to set daily goals for myself but what else should I do? I really believe my pain is due to TMS, but I worry my brain is stubborn. I know there should not be a set time frame for the pain to go away or improve, but boy am I impatient.
Carol I have often been told my pubic pain is related to my back pain as well. With this board on our sides I know we can conquer TMS.
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LynnH
USA
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Posted - 01/11/2005 : 11:40:42
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Your post really struck me, because my main TMS site, my feet, first started bothering me during my pregnancy...which also was marked by hyperemisis. I was also a fertility patient (a number of years ago, an ultrasound tech announced to me that I would need fertility drugs to conceive. A self-fulfilling prophecy perhaps?) and had a "complicated" pregnancy in the sense that I had all sorts of painful symptoms, but the baby was just fine.
For me, personally, looking back on all of the chronic pain I've had, I do believe now that it was all caused by TMS. My brain, like yours however, is stubborn, so I do not consider myself quite cured yet. Best of luck in conquering your pain. |
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Tunza
New Zealand
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Posted - 01/11/2005 : 13:27:03
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I think pregnancy is an example of where a positive life event can be stressful (ie recipe for TMS).
A lot of people feel guilty about feeling negative thoughts about what they have to change about their lives in order to have children. When you are looking forward to bringing a baby into the world it must be natural to want to repress the fears and rage that go along with these changes.
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Sarah Jacoba
USA
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Posted - 01/11/2005 : 23:32:00
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Not ALL chronic pain can be TMS, but alot of it probably is. Things that get worse when you do exactly what is prescribed to help them are classic TMS, in my opinion.
Another example: if you read online the "scare stories" about vasectomies occasionally causing dreadful pain afterwards, they read alot like TMS pain to my eye.
--Sarah
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