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kalo
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 Posted - 03/19/2009 : 16:06:36
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Hi Guys and Gals,
Remember when I posted over two months ago to about my thumb pain. I freaked out and thought I had something really wrong. Well a hand specialist diagnosed me with a little nerve impingment and the way he said it "I would heal in no time" Well he cured me with his beliefs".
Well two weeks after that ordeal I got another nerve impingment from bar chording and clamping on my guitar on my index finger.
I haven't seen a doctor and will not, but the pain is not good. It has subside a little and it's been 3 weeks ago.
Since then I have been depressed and guess what now???? Two days ago I started having siactic pain in my left leg?? I am now convinced that this is TMS!
I am wondering if I should try Dr. Schubiner's course, before the TMS get's out of hand.
I don't understand why this is happening and now in just a little over TWO Months I went from Thumb pain, Index Pain, and now Siatic Pain in my leg.
I do however have a stressful job which I hate and I am perfectionist, worrier, guilt and shame all rolled up in one.
I accept that this is TMS and have tried to journal, but it looks like TMS really has me this time.
I don't understand it shouldn't the pain subside by knowing I have TMS and emotional strain in my life?
I want to invest in Dr. Schubiner's course but being the negative thinker I am afraid it won't work and to be honest $250.00 is a lot of money. However, It looks like some of the members who have tried his course has had success.
Any help would be appreciated! Sounds like BAD TMS, huh?
Kalo |
Edited by - kalo on 03/19/2009 16:25:14 |
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marsha
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Posted - 03/19/2009 : 16:30:04
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Maybe being a negative thinker could be slowing down your progress.
Recovery takes time
Invest in yourself. Take the course. You are worth it.
Marsha |
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kalo
USA
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Posted - 03/19/2009 : 16:33:15
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Thank You Marsha!
I am a very negative thinker think that the worst case scenario!! Sure it will work for someone else but not for me.
This is something I have to overcome I guess!!
Again, Thanks for the reply! |
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positivevibes
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Posted - 03/19/2009 : 23:23:15
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I've been doing the course for the past 2 weeks.
Honestly, it has helped me gain more insight into myself than years of "self-analysis" (which I'm pretty good at) and a full year of psychotherapy.
Even if it doesn't solve all your pain problems, you will probably come of the course not being a negative thinker anymore.
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kalo
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2009 : 08:18:44
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Thanks Postivevibes!
What I don't understand that if emotions are the cause of our pain and I BELIEVE it is then why doesn't Dr. Schuniber have a 100 percent cure rate.
I've seen a lot of the testimonies on his site and they sound great, but there is a section that he say that not all people got well and $250.00 is a lot if it's just going to help me understand myself.
Though maybe that would be a start to help me break this TMS cycle!
I do feel that Dr. Schuniber has GREAT insight on TMS and takes it to another level then what Dr. Sarno does! I was checking out his website and his blogs and they are very beneficial.
So, there might be a chance that I will take a leap of faith and try it.
Thanks, Kalo |
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mk6283
USA
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Posted - 03/20/2009 : 13:34:34
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Some possible explanations for refractory cases:
(1) Inability to believe and accept the diagnosis at its core;
(2) Emotional trauma that, perhaps, is far too deeply rooted;
(3) Misdiagnosis. Are you sure you have TMS?
If #2 is the reason why you aren't getting better, then Dr. Schubiner's course, psychotherapy, etc. can probably help. However, if #1 and/or #3 are the reason(s) why you are not getting better, then the extra work will probably NOT help.
Hope that helps. Good luck!
Best,
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positivevibes
204 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2009 : 13:41:52
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I think that the reason why most docs in the TMS world don't have a 100% cure rate is: the uniqueness of human nature and human experience. Not to mention: the complexity of the ego.
We all have our personal demons. We all have our world perceptions. Slaying the demons and changing the perceptions are easier for some people than others. It depends on your own individual life situation and your own individual personality. Some people had more trauma in their past than others, for example.
Sometimes the unconscious wants to hold on to thoughts or patterns that ultimately cause TMS symptoms. Why? Usually because it's more comfortable or easy. Going into "unchartered waters" can sometimes just be too scary, so the ego tries to hold on to what is familiar, even if that familiar thing is pain. Even if consciously you want the pain to end, unconsciously you are not letting it go for various reasons (reasons that are not your "fault"...it's like an automatic survival mechanism that your mind has developed as part of the construct of your ego and self-identity). Through TMS treatment, you begin to recognize some of those constructs and break through them.
Dr. Schubiner has a write-up in the course about barriers. I think that no matter how much progress a person makes in a course like this, there will probably be some final barriers...ideas or feelings that the mind wants to hold on to. Or things that scare us too much or are too unpleasant to change or admit to. For example, if you hate your job and can no longer use your pain as an excuse for poor job performance, then you might see why your mind might keep wanting to produce the pain....maybe you can't get another job right now and resent your situation and don't want to have to work hard at a job you hate. But it goes beyond just hating your job. Does the situation you're in have deeper emotional roots for you (signify more than just "a job you hate"?) When you begin to really delve in, what you find could really surprise you. And to use a very over-used phrase, "the truth will set you free."
The entire thing takes a lot of courage, IMO and it's HARD WORK. I had to just throw caution to the wind and face a lot of things that scare me on various levels...and I still have more work to do on some of them. If you're not totally honest with yourself, you won't improve very much. It's possible that some people who go through TMS treatment just aren't ready to be 100% honest with themselves, and this is also why they don't improve very well.
Does that make sense? It's not an exact science. That's why it can take years sometimes to see "permanant" improvement. I think that once the mind learns to use TMS as a tactic, it's always looming there, and courses like Dr. Schubiner's give us the tools to keep it controlled; to keep it in its place. You are constantly reminding your unconscious that these pain tactics won't work anymore.
It happened to me yesterday. I've had quite a few good days. I needed to put my daughter's 3/4 size cello into our van. It is not very heavy; nevertheless I was a bit nervous about carrying it. Sure enough, after I got it into the car, I began to feel a sciatic twinge.
I stood there and said, "Oh no, there is no logical reason for this to happen. That cello is very lightweight and did not hurt me. STOP IT NOW, I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS ANY LONGER!" (me talking to my brain). I had planned to get some exercise that afternoon. So I did some stretching and did my exercise. And by the time I was done, I felt fine. And I said to my brain, "See there....you can't trick me like that anymore! I will not allow it!"
In retrospect, realizing that carrying the cello could be a trigger, it would have been better for me to spend a few quiet moments beforehand reminding myself that there is no reason for it to cause pain. If I'd done that, I probably wouldn't have gotten the sciatic twinge.
It just goes to show that at any time, the unconscious is waiting for the opportunity to return you to your old pain patterns.
Like Cognative Behavior Therapy, it helps to re-train your brain. You realize that you have a choice: go down this path, or that path. The more you choose the other (better) path, the weaker the entrance to the old path becomes. You choose health over pain.
OK, I've rambled enough! :-)
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kalo
USA
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Posted - 03/20/2009 : 14:54:34
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Hi m628, and positivevibes
Well, I believe I have TMS! I don't think going to a doctor now will help! In the last two months I had nerve pain in my thumb, index, and now leg!
I know I don't have an nerve disorder been down that rode a 100 times. So it must be TMS! I think for me it's the FEAR of not getting better!!!
I do have issues from my childhood, but even though (before the pain) I sought the help of mental professionals, talking about my childhood and what happened to me NEVER erased the FEAR that was implanted in me and it never helped me stop being so hard on myself!!!
I think FEAR is the root of my demise and I feel that is why my TMS hangs on!!!!
Can Dr. Schubiner's coarse help me with overcome my fears? I realize my chilhood is the culprit but its the dang un programming I have to work on!!!
Thanks to both of your replies!
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positivevibes
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Posted - 03/20/2009 : 15:15:57
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Well, I can only speak for myself. I had several traumas in my childhood, but they were probably not as bad as things that other people have experienced. Dr. Schubiner's course has helped me to gain a lot more insight into my past and has helped me to "let go" of some of that baggage which was bothering me on a very deep level. I still have work to do. It's hard, but worth it!
Everyone is different. Fear is always tough to conquer. All I can say is: if you think it will help you, then try it. When I think of all the money I've spend these past 2 years on other treatments, the $250 was not bad. I like the writing techniques that Dr. Schubiner uses in his course. They have helped me more than just journaling did. |
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kalo
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2009 : 15:36:39
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Thank You positivevibes!
I love reading your post and I am thinking about purchasing the course!!! |
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scd1833
USA
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Posted - 03/20/2009 : 23:23:16
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in sarno's books he says that when the pain starts moving around it's a sign that the treatment is starting to work, so the brain moves the pain and comes up with a new symptom to further distract you.
it may help to immediately think TMS with any new symptom unless you can prove otherwise.
I had severe tooth pain after biting a seed a while back, it lasted for at least a week or two, finally I went to the dentist, he told me that the tooth had a root canal, was literally dead, and had no nerves that could produce pain. the pain went away almost immediately.
remember, TMS can affect ANY organ or system in the body, don't be fooled by your brain!
I've had a charleyhorse in my leg all day today for some reason, I know it's TMS, I just don't know exactly why, but I have a ton of things I'm stressed about, it could be one thing, or it could be everything, hopefully it will be gone tomorrow. |
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kalo
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2009 : 11:39:00
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THANKS YOU scd1833!
Thanks for reminding me of this I think I need to re read Dr.Sarno's Book! I was also thinking for future reference to try Monte Hueftle course.
I wonder if anyoe's tried his course? He seems to have great insight to TMS!
Thanks for the reply! |
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Matt2364
USA
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Posted - 03/23/2009 : 16:05:22
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Can anyone who has been through Dr. Schubiner's course please describe the course and everything that you go through? I am also thinking about purchasing this course and want to know if it is something that I can do on my own or if the program is really that beneficial.
Thanks |
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positivevibes
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Posted - 03/23/2009 : 22:13:31
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I'm a little more than halfway done with the course.
Dr. Schubiner's course takes approximately 4 weeks. It is very intensive. To do the course properly, you should have access to a printer, because there are a lot of worksheets and things to print out. In addition, it is best if you approach the course with the commitment that you are going to be honest with yourself about whatever comes up. It is also best not to doubt that TMS is your main problem. Just as Dr. Sarno says in his books, when you are convinced of your diagnosis, you will get more out of it. You should not be doubting that you have TMS (or at least not mainly doubting). The less doubt, the better.
With that in mind, you should have seen a medical doctor first to rule out any serious or life-threatening problems, such as cancer, tumors, fractures or breaks, real diseases, etc. Herniated discs, pinched nerves, Fibromyalgia, etc are NOT considered the reason for your pain (just as Dr. Sarno states in his books).
First, you are asked to watch an hour-long video lecture that Dr. Schubiner has prepared on TMS. The lecture is free and is on the public part of his site. Even if you've already seen Dr. Sarno's video, it is a good idea to watch Dr. Schubiner's video.
After you pay and get a login, the entire course is placed in front of you, in an outline format. You start at the top (beginning) and just work your way through the material for each week.
At the very beginning, you are asked to fill out several worksheets to help you identify all sorts of TMS areas, such as your triggers, your stressors, your personality traits, why you think you have TMS, etc. These lists are used throughout the course.
Each week you do a combination of writing exercises, relecting exercises, and self-reprogramming exercises. It can be a lot of work and like I said, it gets pretty darned intense sometimes. You are also urged to read specific parts of Sarno's "The Mind/Body Prescription" every day. There are some audio components (mindful awareness meditations) that you listen to every day; they are different for each week. There are also videos to watch, which are pieces of the same program which Dr. Schubiner has done with a live class. There are also some additional materials to read.
It sounds simple, but there is a lot loaded into the program. If you do what he suggests, very quickly you will find yourself facing important issues (as long as you're honest with yourself). I have found the course much more effective than merely journaling -- the writing exercises have really helped me cut through to the heart of many confusing and emotional matters in my life. I think that even after I finish the course, I will use these techniques in the future when new stresses arise.
Also, I want to note that Dr. Schubiner himself has suffered from TMS, and relays some of his own personal insights in some of the videos.
Oh yeah, there is also a forum for people who are going through the course. Only paid participants can see the forum (it's not very big, not like this one). Dr. Schubiner answers any questions you may have about the your progress either through the forum, or by answering your private email question. He is very responsive and usually answers within a day or two.
I hope you find my description helpful. So far, I'm very pleased with my decision to do the course, and I'm making a lot of progress in understanding myself better and beating my TMS pain. |
Edited by - positivevibes on 03/23/2009 22:21:06 |
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