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Alpha
Germany
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 Posted - 11/23/2008 : 18:08:27
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I developed doubt about the TMS diagnosis I gave myself in the last couple of weeks. Due to a major worsening of my condition I started to think about other possible causes for my problems.
I mean if one has widespread symptoms like me, from overall muscle tension, vision problems, sexual problems, no libido, no hunger, no energy, gastrointernal problems, skin problems, etc., shouldn't one rule out ALL possible other causes first before subscribing to the TMS/anxiety/psychosomatic theory. I mean maybe one even has to do so to being REALLY confident in the diagnosis without a doubt.
Some possible explainations for a widespread host of symptoms me and other here expirience could be anything from the following list:
- undiagnosed diabetes
- adrenal fatigue or thyroid conditions
- hormonal or neurotransmitter disorders
- Coeliac disease or similar
- different kinds of autoimmune disorder
- nutritional deficit
- toxins in the body from heavy metals to endocrine mimics to "mega chemicals" like PCB and halogenated hydrocarbons
- blood congestion due to biking/too much static sitting, accident.
We live in unhealthy world, many toxins, foods which grow on soils which are depleted from essential minerals, too much stress, too little movement, etc. All this can mess up many important systems in the body.
Not to say that TMS doesn't exist, from a certain perspective it probably all comes down to a battle between the mind and the body and I am certain that the TMS theory helped many people and is totally valid. BUT maybe some of us have similar symptoms with the exeption, that ours doesn't come and go, but only fluctate a little but are there 24h most of the time. This could be caused by many of the listed disorders, because they often induce similar problems like tms, because they also pose stress on the nervous system like tms does, but because of other reasons than supressed emotions. Lack of certain nutritions, toxins or messed up adrenal glands are also posing stress on the body and so could create similar problems than tms.
So isn't it legitimate to first do all kind of tests for autoimmune/hormonal/metabolic illness, nutritional deficits and toxins in the body before one finally accepts: OK, my mind/heart is all thats left, the problem must be of psychological nature.
I am just worried, that I may never get better, if I don't convince myself once again to stay open for other explainations. Tms isn't always the answer.
What do you guys think?
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RageSootheRatio
Canada
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Posted - 11/23/2008 : 18:34:31
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If one hasn't had possible diabetes, thyroid problems, etc ALL ruled out, then I think it would be foolhardy to self-diagnose one's self with TMS.
TMS is DEFINITELY NOT always the answer! |
Edited by - RageSootheRatio on 11/23/2008 18:34:56 |
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mizlorinj
USA
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Posted - 11/24/2008 : 06:49:09
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Please go get tested for what you think you may have.
Our bodies are much more resilient than we think. Research is available to show just how many conditions are indeed emotionally-caused. A lot more than most people think.
Best wishes for healing. |
Edited by - mizlorinj on 11/24/2008 06:50:07 |
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stanfr
USA
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 03:29:34
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Alpha,
Your questions are perfectly reasonable. Of course you should get a thorough medical, and test whatever you think should be tested. That's a given. You probably know whether or not your personality makes you prone to a psychosomatic condition like TMS, and only you know how your body reacts to stress/anxiety, and what factors in your past/present contribute to stress etc. FWIW, all the symptoms you mention sound like symptoms that are related to anxiety/depression, but you're in the best position to decide whether or not that's the case. Personally, i think the mind-body connection is a lot broader than is commonly believed, and that you can only help yourself by strengthening your mental health as well as your physical well-being.
I don't know you're complete history, but your first sentence alone is pretty suspicious: You say "DUE" to the worsening of your condition, you developed doubt. That sounds suspiciously to me like you have let FEAR make your decisions rather than rational, logical thought. Don't let that happen. And just be careful not to fall into the trap of endlessly looking for a silver-bullet, cause there may be none. |
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Wilf
Canada
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 12:51:52
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| When I first started to apply the TMS program, my physical condition began to deteriorate rapidly. I had a significant amount of new pain, along with swelling in my hands and I found it extremely difficult to get out of bed in the morning. I thought that this was TMS getting worse before it gets better. When the pain did not subside, I checked it out. An Internist diagnosed Polymyalgia Rheumatica (PMR) and prescribed Prednisone. I had an immediate, dramatic relief from the symptoms. This condition lasted 4 years. I "googled" Polymyalgia Rheumatica (PMR) and found that my case was classic. I no longer have the syndrome. By the way, the pain that I had previous to this episode has diminished significantly, because of applying Sarno's program. I, too, recommend "checking it out" |
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Alpha
Germany
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 14:28:34
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Thank you all for the answer, I am pleasantly surprised about the reasonable answers. I mean I read every book about TMS, but it just didn't really feels right, even so I hope I "only" have TMS.
Something that makes me doubt TMS is for example, that most of my symptoms never change in intensity, that I never expirienced symptom imperative. Just symptom add-ons. Like when I finally got used to a symptom, made peace with it, at some point I got new symptoms which were even more delibarating. Maybe its just a hardcore form of TMS. I don't know.
Somehow I just feel, that something is wrong pyhsically. One symptom which I have, which is really hard to explain psychologicaly are extreme swollen lymph knots in my groins and on my back. My urologist whom I visited recently because of my penis pain and numbness (he said everything looks normal, like they always do, why do I still go to doctors anyway, I always know the answer beforehand. ;)) was concerned because of these lymph knots and told me, it was very unusual for a young man to have such swollen lymph knots. But after the normal blood test was all fine, he didn't do anything about it... ôO
@alexis:
FIRST: I would be VERY interested in the nutritional deficit thread you were refering to, unfortunatly I couldn't find it. Will you please provide it?
Thank you for the answer, I don't totally agree with you. I mean you are right that you cannot rule out EVERY possibility, thats for sure, there are limits in knowledge and ressources, but I can systematically rule out every disorder, which is related to my symptoms, that aren't really so much. That plus a nutritional deficit test and testing for toxins.
In the end I am really frustrated and sad, that I have to spend all my time with this crap, being just 22yo insteat of enjoying life. I mean you can tell yourself all day long: Don't focus on the symptoms, push through it, its just muscle tension. But in the end, it doesn't change the fact, that you don't have sexual desire, that you can't really perform in bed, because of pain and dysfunction, that sleeping, learning, walking, talking is uncomfortable and you feel empty, exhausted and weak. The sexual dysfunction and lack of any libido is the most humiliating so far, because you feel sooo abnormal to have no desire even with a beautiful naken girl in bed.
I mean I really tried for so long to ignore it and just be normal, but its IMPOSSIBLE. I cannot enjoy life like this. The easiest task is stressful.
And I know that all my anger, frustration and sadness is ONLY due to my symptoms. I was almost always happy before they came in my life, I was creative, outgoing, extroverted, pure of heart. Sure I wasn't perfect, but I was alive.
Now I feel like I am a innocent prisoner trapped in a broken body. The TMS diagnosis is a dead-end for me so far, maybe I am still missing a piece of the puzzle, but I am afraid that I lose valuable time, if I don't investigate other possibilites.
The only real relieve I ever expirienced was from regular Qi Gong and Meditation with a doaist teacher, it felt 50% better, something I NEVER expierienced before, but it was very demanding and time consuming, at some point I stopped it. At least it showed me the power the mind has over the body and it gave me hope that healing is possible. I still live on that memories, I treasure, but I think that meditation and Qi gong is not the whole solution, I don't know...
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stanfr
USA
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 06:52:17
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Originally posted by Alpha
Now I feel like I am a innocent prisoner trapped in a broken body.
Exactly! And as long as you continue with this belief, it will continue to feel broken. Again, i dont know your entire history, but one thing is very clear from the thousands of testimonials on this site as well as my own experience: so long as the doubt nags at you, the harder it will be to recover. If you havent read Webdan's last post (should be able to find it on this page) it might be worth a shot--record some affirmations and play them over and over again--see how your body reacts. To me, it sounds like you have 100% classic TMS, but you have to come to that conclusion for yourself. |
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Alpha
Germany
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Posted - 11/27/2008 : 04:34:23
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To me, it sounds like you have 100% classic TMS
To me too!
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record some affirmations and play them over and over again--see how your body reacts.
I did it ALL. Its not working, I journaled, I ignored the problem, I tried affirmation, therapy, NOTHING. My symptoms never changed. The only thing that made me feel better EVER, was mediation and qi gong. So I now it has something to do with muscle tension and stress.
The classical TMS approach is not working so, I read every book about it. The lack of even the smallest result from doing the work is what is destroying the faith in the diagnosis.
I feel pressure, because I lost so many years now (not lost, but I know I would have much more fun and success, if my body was working).
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"Fear Not. What is not real, never was and never will be. What is real, always was and cannot be destroyed." - - from the Bhagavad Gita |
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TMS or undiagnosed disorder of some other kind?
